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He takes fatal OD as Internet pals watch

I could see the same shit happening here if the mentality of some of the posters are the same here as they are in the chat-rooms.

Chatroom vultures egged him to pop more Rx pills

By HELEN KENNEDY
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU



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Brandon Vedas


"I told u I was hardcore."

Those were the last coherent words Brandon Vedas, 21, typed into the computer in his Phoenix bedroom as he showed off for Internet pals watching on a Web cam by swallowing more and more prescription drugs.


Vedas died online as a crowd of virtual onlookers egged him to "eat more!" A chilling record of the Jan. 12 chat reads like an Internet version of the notorious 1964 Kew Gardens, Queens, stabbing of Kitty Genovese as her neighbors watched from their windows.

In Vedas' case, some did try to help — begging him to stop, to call 911, to get his mother from the next room. After he passed out, some tried frantically to figure out his location while others argued against getting involved.

But the technology that brought as many as a dozen chatters into the intimacy of Vedas' bedroom was unable to tell them where he was. Internet Relay Chat is anonymous, and no one in the drug users' chat group knew the last name of the young man who called himself Ripper.

Vedas was a casualty of a new epidemic: a surge in the recreational use of pharmaceuticals, even as the rate of illegal drug use holds steady or declines. The most recent survey by the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration says 11.1 million people used prescription drugs for fun in 2000, nearly half of whom were under 25.

In New York City, the number of people showing up in emergency rooms after taking too many legal narcotics jumped 47.6% from 2000 to 2001, the most recent year for which numbers are available.

"In 2001, for the first time, we had more emergency room mentions of prescription narcotic analgesics nationally than for heroin," said Dr. Westley Clark, director of the administration's Center for Substance Abuse Treatment.

In Internet discussion groups, users trade tips on how to fake symptoms to con a doctor into prescribing pain relievers, tranquilizers, stimulants and sedatives.

By his own account, bragging in the hour before he died, Vedas ingested large doses of Klonopin, Methadone, Restoril and Inderal, along with marijuana and 151-proof rum. All but the pot and the rum apparently were legally prescribed for him by a doctor and a psychiatric nurse, according to his angry and mystified family.

"It's the ideal situation — it's legal and it's free," said Vedas' brother Rich. "And most people assume that if a doctor is giving you something, it must be fine."

Vedas, who worked in computer support at the University of Phoenix, knew a lot about the dangers of mixing drugs. But he also bragged delusionally about his "high tolerance." His mother knew he had been prescribed pills for depression — but no one in the family knew he was mixing his medicine for fun, his brother said.

On the night of Jan. 12, Vedas urged chat pals to log onto his Web site and watch him go through his stash. "Bottoms up, fellas!" he crowed.

"Don't OD on us, Ripper," said one of the onlookers watching Vedas swallow pill after pill.

"That's not much," said a teenager from rural Oklahoma who calls himself Smoke2K. "Eat more. I wanna see if you survive or if you just black out."

In the macho atmosphere of the druggie chat room, Vedas seemed to have something to prove. "This is usual weekend behavior. U all said I was lying," he said.

He said it was safe and noted, "My mom is in the next room doing crozzwordz."

As he took more and more, Vedas' typing became disjointed. His chat pals cheered him on.

"Ripper — you should try to pass out in front of the cam," suggested one gleeful voyeur.

Vedas even tried to protect himself against disaster.

"In fase anything goe wrong," he said, typing his cell phone number. "Call if I look dead."

Soon, he did.

Soon, he was.

"I am online with 911. Is this the right choice?" asked one chatter. "NO NO NO NO NO," said another. "I talked my way out of it," came the reply. "I didn't give them any info."

In the end, there was nothing they could do.

Vedas' cell phone was off or not loud enough to rouse anyone else in the house. They looked up his Web site registry, but he had listed his home number as 555-1234.

And the online chatters didn't know his real name or location.

His mother found him at 1 p.m. the next day sprawled on his bed. The tech whiz's computer had shut down and locked itself automatically, so it wasn't until more than a week later that the family found out his death had had witnesses.

"It seems like the group mentality really contributed to it," said his brother, calling the transcript "disgusting."

"These people treat it like somehow it's not the real world," he said. "They forget it's not just words on a screen."
 
I don't consider those people were his friends. He was on psychiatric drugs because he had problems. Apparently one of them was lack of judgment. Personal responsiblity must be assumed.

Also it has been my experience that most of the people on LIt are very supportive. Then there are those that get their kicks by hurting people who are already down. For a normal rational adult the difference is easy to perceive and those people are easily avoided.
 
Five seconds of fame...

Natural selection at work. (Darwin)
 
ChilledVodka said:
Five seconds of fame...

Natural selection at work. (Darwin)

Amen. I'm glad this kid doens't have a chance to spread his obviously defective genes
 
Dantetier said:
Amen. I'm glad this kid doens't have a chance to spread his obviously defective genes
Pretty sad, though. The kid probably didn't function properly in RL, and concidered the chat mates as his friends.

I'm sorry for the parents and family.
 
There was this guy not far from where I used to live near Detroit that convinced this girl to come to his place all the way from France. Apparently they had been having a friendship/online/telephone relationship for a year or so according to her friends and family.

So she came here expecting to stay the week.....the morning after the first night he kicked her out of his apartment.....it was winter...zero degrees....this girl was from a different country, didnt speak english, and obviously lost it...because she went to the park across the street and overdosed on sleeping pills. They found her frozen, and dead a day or so later.

Friends and neighbors of the guy said it wasnt the first time he convinced a woman to come to his place from a long distance away, to screw them then kick them out.

Maybe this girl had issues.....but this guy was crucified in this town, and is spending time in jail for whatever they got him on .

Then theres the story of the Slave Master...a guy named Robinson from Kansas who was a so called "Dom"......they found three girls in fifty five gallon drums on his farm in Kansas....two in fifty five gallon drums in a storage facility in Alabama.....and they havent found the other ten girls yet.

Be careful out there with the online meetings.

Let someone know what you are doing, where you are going, who you are going to see, and check in with them often.

You do not know the person that you are talking to as well as you think.

The life you save may be your own.
 
My math was wrong.....but still a great link Lasher....thank you....required reading for all who would consider the "Meet"

The thing about that guys victims was that probably none of them told anyone anything about what they were doing because it was BDSM related.

Bummer.
 
Yes. My fellow Americans. Please do be careful with ''meeting'' with your on-line friends.

I did advice my daughters like wise.
 
Seems a little ironic that the family of this guy feel that it's digusting that these online "friends" sat there and watched while he did this to himself. Yet the family had him living in their house and he was a part of their lives and they failed to do anything to stop the behavior too!?
 
ExLimey said:
Seems a little ironic that the family of this guy feel that it's digusting that these online "friends" sat there and watched while he did this to himself. Yet the family had him living in their house and he was a part of their lives and they failed to do anything to stop the behavior too!?
Says a lot about modern family, doesn't it.
 
It is really sad.

Some people use the internet as their "life" locking themselves away from the real world.

The internet is great for fantasy, for flirting, for being something other than what you are in real life. The danger is in mixing the fantasy with the reality.
 
English Lady said:
It is really sad.

Some people use the internet as their "life" locking themselves away from the real world.

The internet is great for fantasy, for flirting, for being something other than what you are in real life. The danger is in mixing the fantasy with the reality.
Yea, whatever, asshole.
 
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