Why I really don't like George W. Bush even though I post seemily pro-bush

[Todd]

1. Faith Based Initiative: I am a firm supporter of seperation of Church and state. I have read early, not the latest, versions of the F.B.I plan and it states the church that accepts the money has to do what the church says. The F.B.I Plan also states that the money is aprtially for gun control and registry, something that the church shouldn't be involved in one way or the other.

On an additional note The F.B.I. Plan is not a "christian" only plan it is open for any "Regitered" religious organization in the US, christian, catholic, mormon, Jehovahs witness, Muslism, Buddhist, taoist, etc., any "registered religious organization can apply for it.

A secondary additional note The F.B.I Plan is not for inward working of these churches that ask/recieve it, the F.B.I. Plan specifically indicates exactly what the money goes to, in the versions I read so far it indicates such things as social outreach, that is feed the poor, cloth the poor, gun control registy. It specifically call for the money not to be used for evangelism or prosletyzation.

2. Pseudo-Christianity: Remember the big trumped up story near the beginning of his inauguration were supposedily he took a young man aside and shared the gospel with him ans lead him to salvation, the young man never existed all a ploy to cater to the fundamentalist. Every year George Bush Jr. and George Bush Sr. have attended with countless other Rich Family Republicans and some Democrats, and every Republican President that was, to Bohemian Grove a New World Order gathering. This gathering takes several "efigy" sacrifices, but I suspect some of the Efigy's may not be as efigical as the attendants are willing to say.

 

[WriterDom]

Why don't you wait and read the fbi when (and if) it's passed by congress and not the Christian comic book verson.

 

[Todd]

Why don't you wait and read the fbi when (and if) it's passed by congress and not the Christian comic book verson.

In its curent forms its no wheres near christian or christian supportive although the media seems to play it as it is. the last version I read of it was a little over 200 pages long. the last comic I read was only 10 pages long, and it wasn't christian it was archie and pals. My only question, When did Jughead start liking girls?

P.S. - If the FBI is as damaging to society as it is now I would rather read it and let people know to complain to thier congresspeople and get the think railroaded right off the drawing board. the FBI Plan is very dangerous to America as a whole Christain and not.

 

[Guest]

explain

How is the FBI. damaging to society? I dont see it.

 

[WriterDom]

I haven't read much about it, but I think it's about using resources already in place to help people. If you were told it was a program to lead people to Christ than I guess you were lied to. That's your job, not the government. If you are hungry I don't think you care if a blue eyed, blond Jesus slaps food on your plate or if Budda does.

 

[Todd]

I haven't read much about it, but I think it's about using resources already in place to help people. If you were told it was a program to lead people to Christ than I guess you were lied to.

There was a 30 minute program on CNN last night about 4:30am my time that was talking about how evil it was for Bush to push his Faith Based Initiative {FBI} plan on the americans because it was using american tax payer money to promote the christian religion.

Which I know from reading the FBI report thus far that it is not to be used for that whatsoever.

That's your job, not the government. If you are hungry I don't think you care if a blue eyed, blond Jesus slaps food on your plate or if Budda does.

I would agree if that that is acpetable but its the conditons that the FBI attaches to the money that would be given for that. There is a ton load of conditions that go along with taccepting that money. Gun registry and control is one of the major ones, its's not just the democrats that want the guns its the republicans that want them too, they are just more sneaky about it.

 

[WriterDom]

You're walking a slippery slope, Todd. A few more anti-bush posts and you might be walking into a bullet.


HOUSE BILL PROPOSES LIFTING BAN ON ASSASSINATIONS

BUSH ADMINISTRATION WASTING NO TIME IN MOVING TOWARD WAR FOOTING

Armitage The Executioner



FTW 1/24/01 - HR 19, Introduced by Republican Georgia Congressman Bob Barr on January 3, 2001, the first day of the new 107th Congress, would legislatively repeal sections of three Executive Orders specifically prohibiting assassinations by the United States Government.

Entitled the "Terrorist Elimination Act of 2001", the bill, submitted to the House International Relations Committee, would specifically nullify sections of three previous Executive Orders including one initiated by Ronald Reagan in 1981. It is interesting to note that acts of Congress are not required to nullify previous Executive Orders (EOs) which are, by definition, orders issued by the President and Commander in Chief to all federal employees (including military) under his authority. All that is necessary to reverse one EO is another EO. This is exactly what President George W. Bush did with respect to EOs issued by President Clinton on the environment in the last days of his administration.

Section 3 of HR 19 specifically states:

"The following provisions of Executive orders shall have no further force or effect:

(1) Section 5(g) of Executive Order 11905.
(2) Section 2-305 of Executive Order 12306.
(3) Section 2.11 of Executive Order 12333." [By Ronald Reagan]

Section 5 (g) of Executive Order 11905, signed by Gerald Ford on 2/18/76 specifically prohibited "political" assassination. Section 2-305 of Executive Order 12036, signed 1/24/78 by Jimmy Carter renewed the ban. Section 2.11 of Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan on 12/4/81 renewed the ban on assassinations, or conspiracy to commit assassinations, as part of a broader package which gave virtually complete control of the American National Security apparatus to then Vice President George H.W. Bush.

The full text of HR 19 may be viewed at http://thomas.loc.gov. Enter a search in the 107th Congress for 19 and it will take you straight to the bill

The bold move, unreported and ignored by any major media, offers a chance for an early referendum on the new administration's full-speed run at a more violent and brutish foreign policy.

The current bill, introduced by staunch Bush supporter and Clinton impeachment leader Barr, indicates that the Bush administration is seeking to add legitimacy to the move by implying that Congress and the American people support the action. This can only mean that there is quite likely a list of people the Bush Administration wants to start killing fairly quickly. The appointment of career covert operative and Annapolis graduate Richard Armitage as Deputy Secretary of State under Colin Powell only underscores the clear message that the Bush Administration is sending to the world.

Armitage, who was denied a 1989 appointment as Assistant Secretary of State because of links to Iran-Contra and other scandals, served as Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs in the Reagan years. U.S. Government stipulations in the Oliver North trial specifically named Armitage as one of the DoD officials responsible for illegal transfers of weapons to Iran and the Contras. But Armitage's dirty past goes much deeper.

A Vietnam veteran and graduate of Annapolis, Armitage's roots have been thoroughly intertwined with the likes of CIA veteran Ted Shackley, Richard Secord, Heine Aderholt, Elliot Abrams, Dewey Clarridge, Edwin Wilson and Tom Clines. All of these men have been directly linked to CIA covert operations, the drug trade, the abandonment of U.S. prisoners of War after Vietnam and/or Iran-Contra. Armitage has also been routinely discussed in FTW as a Bush-era covert functionary who has been linked to covert operations, drug smuggling and the expansion of organized crime operations in Russia, Central Asia and the Far East.

In 1986 a private dispute between POW activist Ross Perot and Armitage went public as photos of Armitage with a topless Vietnamese nightclub owner Nguyet O'Rourke brought allegations of gambling and prostitution very close to Armitage's doorstep. The stories went public when TIME and "The Boston Globe" wrote lengthy stories on the feud in 1986 and 1987. That scandal arose as a result of 1984 investigations by President Reagan's Commission on Organized Crime in which the photo and documentation of gambling charges and prostitution led directly to Armitage's close association with O'Rourke. Then LAPD Assistant Chief Jesse Brewer, a former Commanding Officer of this writer, served on the Reagan Commission.

The 1992 best-seller "Kiss The Boys Goodbye" by former "60 MINUTES" producer Monika Jensen-Stevenson details Armitage's role as Reagan point man on Vietnam POW-MIA issues and describes why Armitage has earned the enmity of many POW activists. However, in a 1995 interview with "The Washington Post", Colin Powell referred to Armitage as his "white son." This, notwithstanding the fact that the 6 foot, balding, power-lifter, now 56, can still bench press 300 or more pounds and reportedly "enjoys killing."

William Tyree, Special Forces Veteran who has provided much reliable information and documentation to FTW in the past said, "Armitage used to 'sit ambush' on the trails in Laos and Cambodia. He liked it. Now when Powell, 'the dove,' sits down at a table with Armitage 'the killer' beside him the message will be that Armitage can reach across the table and deal with the other party on the spot." That message will not go unheard.

[For more on Armitage we recommend using the search engine at www.copvcia.com and also at The Progressive Review, www.prorev.com.]

There is reason to believe that a repeal of the assassination ban would lead to an immediate series of deaths. Remember, the Iran-Contra team is coming back to power with a vengeance.

The completion of a February 11, 1982 memorandum between Reagan Attorney General William French Smith and CIA Director Bill Casey removed any requirement for CIA to report drug trafficking by its agents, contractors and proprietary employees. Immediately thereafter cocaine consumption into the United States multiplied as imports rose from approximately 80 tons in 1982 to 600 tons by 1989.

[A copy of that memorandum, published by the CIA in 1998, is available in FTW's Extracts and Commentary on Volume II of the CIA Inspector General's Report" originally published on 10/8/98.]

There are no choices and this is no longer a convenient exercise of protected liberty. This is now a true struggle against tyranny. Call your Congressman. Call your local media. Call your neighbor. A loud enough uproar can stop this criminal move in its tracks. Silence can only invite bloodshed.

Special thanks to Mike Whybark and Jim Galasyn of Independent Media Centers for bringing this travesty to my attention. Please visit their site at http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=19541.

Michael C. Ruppert Publisher/Editor "From The Wilderness" www.copvcia.com

(c) Copyright 2001, From The Wilderness Publications and Michael C. Ruppert. P.O. Box 60-350, Sherman Oaks, CA 91413. This message may be copied and reproduced in any "not-for-profit" mode so long as proper sourcing appears."

More on the new Bush Administration will appear in the January issue of "From The Wilderness" for paid subscribers only.

 

[shadowsource]

Wow -

You guys just made my last visit of the day wholly worthwhile. You're obviously not as predictable as I had alleged. I hadn't known about Barr's bill.... And Todd, I think the FBI scam is a bit like what righties, with some justification, have long said about LBJ's War On Poverty: It's a way for Bush to try to buy off well-organized religious outreach groups the way Johnson aimed to buy off the Black inner-city religious leadership. If "buy off" is too unsavory a phrase for some folks, try "support with strings." And yes, it is dangerous and coercive: There have already been prison programs in Texas that demand inmate faith observance and enthusiasm or they are bounced from the subidized developmental program. Finally, you left the Church of Scientology off your list - Co$ will stop at nothing to suck up as much money as possible, and to recruit minions. Their involvement alone will lead to massive, unending controversy....

 

[Todd]

Re: Wow -

Finally, you left the Church of Scientology off your list - Co$ will stop at nothing to suck up as much money as possible, and to recruit minions. Their involvement alone will lead to massive, unending controversy....

I was thinking of them but I didn't remember fully at the time hence the etc. in the list of religions. Yes I can see them leading the afront of controversy with this bill