Why do we need Guantanamo Bay?
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colddiesel
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Precedent. The US and its allies (particularly UK and France) would have to start looking at places like Diego Garcia, Ascension Island, Gibraltar, Cyprus, Pine Gap, Falklands, Okinawa etc.
Cuba is important to US domestic politics (in Florida) but in International terms now they no longer serve the Soviets, what Cubans think does not count for much at all.
Why are military bases necessary in those places either?
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Money and security.
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To enable the USA to project its power. The USSR and Russia has never been able to do so because of the lack of such bases. China is desperately trying to dominate just the South China Sea. So long as the USA thinks it is her best interests to be undisputed 'top dog' these bases are essential and a much cheaper alternative than a totally mobile fleet.
And before you ask - yes it is beneficial to the USA to remain 'top dog' in the current world.
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I recommend either South Georgia (UK), Kerguelin (Fr) or Heard Island, (Australia)
And Heard Island is the winner because while all 3 are covered in ice and a long way from anywhere, Heard is also Australia's only active volcano.
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It's called strategic proximity.
As against whom? War with Cuba is not really conceivable.
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It isn't as if it never happened...is it?
Here is it's mission statement:
"Naval Station Guantanamo Bay is the forward, ready, and irreplaceable U.S. sea power platform in the Caribbean. For more than a century, its presence has given decision makers unique options across the range of military and interagency operations.
It preserves America’s strategic influence in the Caribbean by maintaining a deep-water U.S. Naval Station and ensuring effective support across military and interagency operations."
It's strategic importance Transends the island of Cuba itself.
It isn't as if it never happened...is it?
Here is it's mission statement:
"Naval Station Guantanamo Bay is the forward, ready, and irreplaceable U.S. sea power platform in the Caribbean. For more than a century, its presence has given decision makers unique options across the range of military and interagency operations.
It preserves America’s strategic influence in the Caribbean by maintaining a deep-water U.S. Naval Station and ensuring effective support across military and interagency operations."
It's strategic importance Transends the island of Cuba itself.
IOW, it does nothing a base in Florida couldn't, never mind Puerto Rico.
And if you leave out Cuba, we have no potential enemies in the Caribbean, none at all. (Unless we choose them, and I'm sure even you will agree that Grenada thing was just an embarrassment and we should never do anything like it again.)
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You don't know that, you idiot. Guantanamo Bay is another 270 miles south of Florida, on the south side of Cuba. We already have a Naval Air Station at Key West that provides other defensive needs.
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You're out of your mind. The Caribbean is crisscrossed daily with south American drug traffickers and agents of foreign powers attempting entry into the United States. We have bases in Puerto Rico that have other sectors of responsibility. The national defense of our borders is an immense undertaking as the country is surrounded on three sides by water.
Good to know, but considering the way ships move, I can't perceive much advantage in that 270 miles.
It's clear we have no serious intention of interfering with drug traffickers beyond our borders, and "agents of foreign powers" have the same chance of entry at any point on the coast or border, and Guantanamo Bay does nothing to stop either.
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This is because you're clueless about what is required to defend the nation.
There is no need to defend the nation from anything in the Caribbean. It's like an elephant being terrified of mice. Those islands are not military powers; their principal concerns are growing sugar, and getting money from Yankee tourists. Nowadays that even applies to Cuba.
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You are not a serious person. There would be Chinese and Russian nukes on Cuba pointed at us right now if we had the kind of attitude you do.
This is not 1962. The Cold War is over. Nobody is going to put nukes there. There are not going to be any more Communist revolutions. It's a spent force.
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That's because you don't understand the military or it's purpose.
Bingo.
How do you know???
No, it's not, and literally nothing to do with it.
What would it have to do with, then? What threat to the U.S. could conceivably come from any Caribbean island? The nations of the Lesser Antilles would hardly count as counties by U.S. standards, and some of them are still colonies of our European allies.
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No it's not....what's that got to do with anything??
I'm sure that's what your CCP comrades at Alter-Left and RAW want you to believe.
Yea, because we're sitting on it and if they try we'll fuckin' kill them.
They're pushing for one in the US right now.
Doing a few hundred million in damage to US cities is pretty beefy for a spent force.
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You are not a serious person. You know nothing about Chinese in roads into the Caribbean. Just one of many articles:
CHINESE MILITARY BASES IN THE CARIBBEAN?
by Lawrence A. Franklin
Desmond Berg
POSTED ON DECEMBER 16, 2020, 2:22 PM
https://sovereignnations.com/2020/12/16/chinese-military-bases-caribbean/
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It's about strategic and tactical force projection. It addition to Cuba and Puerto Rico, the US maintains acknowledged bases in:
-El Salvador
-Honduras
-Curacao and Aruba
-Antiqua
-The Bahamas
-Columbia
-Panama
Additionally, the Shiprider agreement allows US forces access to many other locations. There are only three nations that explicitly do not allow US forces - Ecuador (no one has a base in Ecuador), Nicaragua and Venezuela. Though, both Ecuador and Nicaragua participate in Shiprider on an informal basis. Mexico doesn't have any acknowledged US bases, but operationally the Mexican Navy is tied at the hip the US Navy.
-El Salvador
-Honduras
-Curacao and Aruba
-Antiqua
-The Bahamas
-Columbia
-Panama
Additionally, the Shiprider agreement allows US forces access to many other locations. There are only three nations that explicitly do not allow US forces - Ecuador (no one has a base in Ecuador), Nicaragua and Venezuela. Though, both Ecuador and Nicaragua participate in Shiprider on an informal basis. Mexico doesn't have any acknowledged US bases, but operationally the Mexican Navy is tied at the hip the US Navy.
