Why churches don’t pay taxes

[FGB]

This is only an example and certainly not the only one.

(Basically the poer to Tax IS the power to control is my personal opinion. FGB).
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Why churches don’t pay taxes ...

https://troymedia.com/politicslaw/churches-dont-pay-taxes/

It’s a matter of recognizing that the church is not ultimately subject to the sovereignty of the state

Raymond De Souza JERUSALEM – A combustible dispute over property taxes led to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem being closed in protest for three days. The mayor of Jerusalem, without notice or consultation, slapped tax arrears assessments on church properties not used for worship, including the vast number of guesthouses that welcome pilgrims visiting the holy sites.

Having ambushed the churches with the arbitrary elimination of a tax exemption that dates back to the Ottoman Empire, the municipality froze some of the bank accounts of the churches and placed liens on some of their properties.

It was an outrageous maneuver, done for domestic political reasons, and it backfired badly. The Israeli government has no desire for the entire Christian world to wonder why the Holy Sepulchre is closed, and to suspect that the local mayor is looking to solve his fiscal crisis on the backs of the local Christian minority and pilgrims coming to visit their holy places. So it forced Mayor Nir Barkat to back down.

 

[schism666]

fuckyouverymuch

 

[FGB]

Why don’t churches pay taxes?


Sep. 23, 2008
12 AM

Today’s question: Why should churches be tax exempt in the first place? Wouldn’t it be a better approach to deny the tax exemption to all churches? Previously, Stanley and Lynn debated whether federal tax law chills free speech in churches.

Hands off our churches, IRS
Point: Erik Stanley

There is said to be an old Arabian proverb: “If the camel once gets his nose in the tent, his body will soon follow.” This expression is especially pertinent in the tax exemption context. Churches are tax exempt under the principle that there is no surer way to destroy the free exercise of religion than to tax it. If the government is allowed to tax churches (or to condition a tax exemption on a church refraining from the free exercise of religion), the camel’s nose is under the tent, and its body is sure to follow. But that’s not just my opinion; it’s the understanding of the U.S. Supreme ... https://www.latimes.com/la-oew-lynn-stanley23-2008sep23-story.html

 

[phrodeau]

Why does your free exercise of religion require property?

 

[FGB]

You think that was only about property and money?

But then I guess the worldly minded would.

 

[FlowersForFun]

Why does your free exercise of religion require property?

Because it does.

Why can't you just let people enjoy their constitutionally protected civil right to worship freely?

 

[schism666]

Because it does.

such a thoughtful retort..... for a grade schooler.

 

[MassiveGiantBrain]

Fake religion is a parasite

This is only an example and certainly not the only one.

(Basically the poer to Tax IS the power to control is my personal opinion. FGB).
***************************************
Why churches don’t pay taxes ...

https://troymedia.com/politicslaw/churches-dont-pay-taxes/

It’s a matter of recognizing that the church is not ultimately subject to the sovereignty of the state

Raymond De Souza JERUSALEM – A combustible dispute over property taxes led to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem being closed in protest for three days. The mayor of Jerusalem, without notice or consultation, slapped tax arrears assessments on church properties not used for worship, including the vast number of guesthouses that welcome pilgrims visiting the holy sites.

Having ambushed the churches with the arbitrary elimination of a tax exemption that dates back to the Ottoman Empire, the municipality froze some of the bank accounts of the churches and placed liens on some of their properties.

It was an outrageous maneuver, done for domestic political reasons, and it backfired badly. The Israeli government has no desire for the entire Christian world to wonder why the Holy Sepulchre is closed, and to suspect that the local mayor is looking to solve his fiscal crisis on the backs of the local Christian minority and pilgrims coming to visit their holy places. So it forced Mayor Nir Barkat to back down.

It is too bad that fake religion... which is almost all of it... is a parasite. They are run as a money making racket. The concept of leaving people alone and not taxing religion was built into the constitution to allow people the freedom to worship or not worship as they see fit. A morally upright concept. But tragically fake religion just like fake news exploit people with lies just to make money. The worlds governments have a history of using religion to control people. But more and more governments are turning against religion and that trend will continue. The future for fake religion is very grim.

 

[phrodeau]

You think that was only about property and money?

But then I guess the worldly minded would.

Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.

 

[FGB]

Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.

So you are ignoring the second half?

which reads in full, "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

The power to tax is the power to control. Once our or any government get a toe hold into ANYTHING...well!

Our forefather knew what they were doing...

 

[phrodeau]

So you are ignoring the second half?

which reads in full, "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

The power to tax is the power to control. Once our or any government get a toe hold into ANYTHING...well!

Our forefather knew what they were doing...

So you’re ignoring the full stop at the end of my sentence? It’s something I like to say.

 

[FGB]

So you’re ignoring the full stop at the end of my sentence? It’s something I like to say.

Caesar wasn't taxing the Church.

There wasn't one yet he was taxing people.

Pay your taxes.

I do.

 

[discreetman2019]

If churches want to endorse political candidates then tax the fuckers.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Why does your free exercise of religion require property?

You think that was only about property and money?

But then I guess the worldly minded would.

The shallow-minded who hate religion finds that a very important point.
You may enjoy your first amendment right to worship as you choose,
but that then excludes your right to peacefully assemble,
(or to even petition your government...)



... if assembly requires property.
(Property is the property of the State,
i.e., you didn't build that! There's a road involved!)

AND FURTHERMORE, if you wish to enjoy the protections
in the Second Amendment, then you are a hypocrite.
When we slap you, you turn your cheek,
or else...

Thus Spake Caesar

 

[SpeareChucker]

I didn't even read the thread, and I nailed it.

On one hand, the Progressive mind truly believes that there is
a strict separation of church and state; the church
cannot partake of the state, however,
the church is state business...



Thus Spake the Legions

 

[FlowersForFun]

such a thoughtful retort..... for a grade schooler.

For an equally thoughtful question.

Noticed neither you nor phro could answer the question about why you can't let folks exercise their religion freely.

We know why.

 

[FGB]

For an equally thoughtful question.

Noticed neither you nor phro could answer the question about why you can't let folks exercise their religion freely.

We know why.

Part of our Constitution requires and demands that every religion is treated equal no matter what.

Once it passes the rather low requirements it is protected by the full force of the Government.

Like it or not.

 

[FlowersForFun]

Part of our Constitution requires and demands that every religion is treated equal no matter what.

Once it passes the rather low requirements it is protected by the full force of the Government.

Like it or not.

It also explicitly forbids any law that prohibits the free exercise of religion.

Like taxation.

It is the very first civil right secured by the Bill of Rights and arguably one of the primary political ideals/values the USA was founded on.

They are just spiteful and anti-American leftist. Mad as fuck the Jesus freaks have more than they do....not one bit different than the trailer trash complaining about how Jews scam everyone out of their money.

 

[schism666]

Part of our Constitution requires and demands that every religion is treated equal no matter what.

Once it passes the rather low requirements it is protected by the full force of the Government.

Like it or not.

are islam, wicca, satanism, and the like afforded those same protections and benefits? do you agree that they should?

 

[FGB]

are islam, wicca, satanism, and the like afforded those same protections and benefits? do you agree that they should?

Yes.

They all should rise or fall on their own merits. We should watchdog that one is not more equal than the other.

That is why this country works and is still around.

 

[FlowersForFun]

Yes.

They all should rise or fall on their own merits. We should watchdog that one is not more equal than the other.

That is why this country works and is still around.

That moment when a "conservative" is more liberal than most "liberals".

 

[FGB]

That moment when a "conservative" is more liberal than most "liberals".

That is for "US" God doesn't need any help and certainly doesn't need anything extra. It's just that we have a habit of giving him his "Due" or always did have anyways...

 

[schism666]

Yes.

They all should rise or fall on their own merits. We should watchdog that one is not more equal than the other.

That is why this country works and is still around.

i agree, tax them all equally.

 

[Curmudgeonly]

Like Hebrew National,. . .

. . .they answer to a Higher Authority.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Hasn't the money given to churches already been taxed for the most part?