Why aren't republicans bitching about the payroll tax not being passed by congress?
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Why aren't democrats bitching about Obama not getting involved?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2011-12-20/boehner-payroll-tax-extension/52119722/1
Boehner: It's time for Obama to get involved on tax deal
Our struggling economy weighs on the minds of many Americans this holiday season. They're worried about their families and futures, and looking to Washington to find common ground to help create jobs.
This fall, President Obama called for a year-long extension of the payroll tax cut, and the House passed a year-long extension, with bipartisan support. Our bill would also extend and reform unemployment insurance, protect seniors' access to doctors through Medicare, and help create jobs. Unfortunately, instead of passing the House bill or any other year-long extension, Democratic leaders in the Senate passed a two-month measure and left town for the holidays.
Washington doesn't get to punt on this one.
The president and the House are right to want to extend this tax cut a full year, rather than two months. Having run a small business, met a payroll, and hired workers, I've seen first-hand how Washington's Band-Aids and gimmicks cause further uncertainty for employers and employees alike. The idea that the federal government can set tax rates in two-month increments without doing any harm is exactly the kind of Washington thinking that has helped run our economy off the tracks.
Don't take my word for it. Non-partisan payroll tax experts have told Congress that a two-month extension is "unworkable," and that it "could create substantial problems, confusion and costs affecting a significant percentage of U.S. employers and employees."
Just as important, hardworking taxpayers trying to make ends meet or save for college or retirement deserve to know what their paychecks will look like for the whole year — not just an eight-week stretch.
The American people expect Congress to pass a one-year extension, and we should not wait to finish this work. We should complete it immediately.
That's why the House has voted to begin a formal conference committee to resolve the differences between the House and Senate bills. There's nothing unusual about this. This is the system our Founders gave us. It's as old as our nation, as clear as our Constitution. Republicans have appointed eight lawmakers to this conference committee, and they are in Washington now, ready to meet.
Despite all this, Senate Democrats are refusing to return from vacation and negotiate with the House.
We hope the president, who has repeatedly said he won't go on vacation until this matter is resolved, will urge Senate Democrats to change their minds. He should call on them to appoint negotiators so we can extend payroll tax relief for a full year and help create jobs. Otherwise, Senate Democrats' refusal to negotiate means Americans' taxes going up on Jan. 1. It should not come to that, and I'm confident it won't.
When hardworking taxpayers have work to finish, they don't knock off early. They stay and get the job done. Let's follow their example and come together to do the right thing for our economy and our country.
John Boehner, R-Ohio, is the speaker of the House of Representatives.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2011-12-20/boehner-payroll-tax-extension/52119722/1
Boehner: It's time for Obama to get involved on tax deal
Our struggling economy weighs on the minds of many Americans this holiday season. They're worried about their families and futures, and looking to Washington to find common ground to help create jobs.
This fall, President Obama called for a year-long extension of the payroll tax cut, and the House passed a year-long extension, with bipartisan support. Our bill would also extend and reform unemployment insurance, protect seniors' access to doctors through Medicare, and help create jobs. Unfortunately, instead of passing the House bill or any other year-long extension, Democratic leaders in the Senate passed a two-month measure and left town for the holidays.
Washington doesn't get to punt on this one.
The president and the House are right to want to extend this tax cut a full year, rather than two months. Having run a small business, met a payroll, and hired workers, I've seen first-hand how Washington's Band-Aids and gimmicks cause further uncertainty for employers and employees alike. The idea that the federal government can set tax rates in two-month increments without doing any harm is exactly the kind of Washington thinking that has helped run our economy off the tracks.
Don't take my word for it. Non-partisan payroll tax experts have told Congress that a two-month extension is "unworkable," and that it "could create substantial problems, confusion and costs affecting a significant percentage of U.S. employers and employees."
Just as important, hardworking taxpayers trying to make ends meet or save for college or retirement deserve to know what their paychecks will look like for the whole year — not just an eight-week stretch.
The American people expect Congress to pass a one-year extension, and we should not wait to finish this work. We should complete it immediately.
That's why the House has voted to begin a formal conference committee to resolve the differences between the House and Senate bills. There's nothing unusual about this. This is the system our Founders gave us. It's as old as our nation, as clear as our Constitution. Republicans have appointed eight lawmakers to this conference committee, and they are in Washington now, ready to meet.
Despite all this, Senate Democrats are refusing to return from vacation and negotiate with the House.
We hope the president, who has repeatedly said he won't go on vacation until this matter is resolved, will urge Senate Democrats to change their minds. He should call on them to appoint negotiators so we can extend payroll tax relief for a full year and help create jobs. Otherwise, Senate Democrats' refusal to negotiate means Americans' taxes going up on Jan. 1. It should not come to that, and I'm confident it won't.
When hardworking taxpayers have work to finish, they don't knock off early. They stay and get the job done. Let's follow their example and come together to do the right thing for our economy and our country.
John Boehner, R-Ohio, is the speaker of the House of Representatives.
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Obama, Boehner face off on payroll tax
http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/20/obama-boehner-face-off-on-payroll-tax/
On Tuesday, President Barack Obama used the payroll tax debate to continue to push his campaign trail effort to portray the House Republicans as irresponsible and petulant obstacles to economic recovery.
The Republican-led House has rejected the Democrat-led Senate’s economic bill, which extends the Social Security tax cut for 160 million people by two months. Obama had asked for a one-year extension worth $1,000 per person. That one-year extension is in the House bill, which the Senate rejected.
“This is not a game, this is not politics, this is Americans’ livelihoods — it’s a thousand bucks” for the average family, Obama said in a surprise appearance in the White House’s newsroom.
“What they’re really trying to do … is to wring concessions from Democrats on issues that have nothing to do with the payroll tax cut,” he continued.
Obama left after his short statement and refused to take any questions.
Immediately afterward, Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner appealed for the president to summon the Senate back for Hill negotiations.
“The Senate voted to give the people a [two-month,] $166 tax cut. We voted to give the people a $1,000 tax cut,” Boehner said. “I need the president to help out.”
http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/20/obama-boehner-face-off-on-payroll-tax/
On Tuesday, President Barack Obama used the payroll tax debate to continue to push his campaign trail effort to portray the House Republicans as irresponsible and petulant obstacles to economic recovery.
The Republican-led House has rejected the Democrat-led Senate’s economic bill, which extends the Social Security tax cut for 160 million people by two months. Obama had asked for a one-year extension worth $1,000 per person. That one-year extension is in the House bill, which the Senate rejected.
“This is not a game, this is not politics, this is Americans’ livelihoods — it’s a thousand bucks” for the average family, Obama said in a surprise appearance in the White House’s newsroom.
“What they’re really trying to do … is to wring concessions from Democrats on issues that have nothing to do with the payroll tax cut,” he continued.
Obama left after his short statement and refused to take any questions.
Immediately afterward, Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner appealed for the president to summon the Senate back for Hill negotiations.
“The Senate voted to give the people a [two-month,] $166 tax cut. We voted to give the people a $1,000 tax cut,” Boehner said. “I need the president to help out.”
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Wastebook 2011
http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public...&File_id=b69a6ebd-7ebe-41b7-bb03-c25a5e194365
Dear Taxpayer,
Robot dragons, video games, Christmas trees, snow cone machines, and chocolate.
This is not a Christmas wish list. These are just some of the ways the federal government spent your tax dollars this year.
Over the past 12 months, Washington politicians argued, debated and lamented about how to reign in the federal government‘s out of control spending. All the while, Washington was on a shopping binge, spending money we do not have on things we do not need, like the $6.9 billion worth of examples provided in this report.
The result:
Instead of cutting wasteful spending, nearly $2.5 billion was added each day in 2011 to our national debt which now exceeds $15 trillion.
Congress deadlocked over whether or not savings could be found by closing loopholes within the complex tax code. Meanwhile, the IRS approved roughly $1 billion in tax credits intended for energy efficiency home improvements to individuals who did not even own a house. These recipients included prisoners and children, some probably not even old enough to own a doll house.
While Congress bickered over whether or not the salaries of federal employees should be frozen, the federal government paid $120 million to federal employees who were deceased. Congress cannot now even agree on a plan to pay for the costs of extending jobless benefits to the millions of Americans who are still out of work. Yet, thousands of millionaires are receiving unemployment benefits and billions of dollars of improper payments of unemployment insurance are being made to individuals with jobs and others who do not qualify.
And remember those infamous bridges to nowhere in Alaska that became symbols of government waste years ago? The bridges were never built, yet the federal government still spent more than a million dollars just this year to pay for staff to promote one of the bridges. Drowning in red ink, Congress refused to agree to reduce, cut, or eliminate any of these Washington monuments of government waste.
President Obama‘s debt commission did issue recommendations to reduce the deficit by more than $3.5 trillion over the next decade. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) issued a report identifying over $200 billion in unnecessary, duplicative programs. But these suggestions and others were ignored by both chambers of Congress and the President.
Congress‘s deficit of courage to make tough budget decisions is best reflected by what it did agree to. The so-called Budget Control Act approved adding more than $2 trillion to the nation‘s already staggering debt. The Super Committee it created to address the debt crisis was a super disappointment.
And, the House and Senate appropriations committees also agreed to slash the budget of GAO, the one government agency that distinguished itself by identifying hundreds of billions of dollars in budget savings.
This report details 100 of the countless unnecessary, duplicative, or just plain stupid projects spread
throughout the federal government and paid for with your tax dollars this year that highlight the out-of control and shortsighted spending excesses in
Washington.
So perhaps there was no bigger waste of the taxpayer‘s money in 2011 than Congress itself. The dismal 9 percent approval rating, the lowest ever
recorded, would indicate the vast majority of Americans would agree.
The year 2011 will be remembered as a period of unrest as outraged Americans of all political stripes—tea party patriots on the right and Occupy Wall Street activists on the left—took to the streets in anger and disgust with the direction of our nation. As you look at these examples, regardless of your personal political persuasion, ask yourself: Would you agree with Washington these represent national priorities or would you agree these reflect the wasteful spending habits that threaten to bankrupt the future of the American Dream?
http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public...&File_id=b69a6ebd-7ebe-41b7-bb03-c25a5e194365
Dear Taxpayer,
Robot dragons, video games, Christmas trees, snow cone machines, and chocolate.
This is not a Christmas wish list. These are just some of the ways the federal government spent your tax dollars this year.
Over the past 12 months, Washington politicians argued, debated and lamented about how to reign in the federal government‘s out of control spending. All the while, Washington was on a shopping binge, spending money we do not have on things we do not need, like the $6.9 billion worth of examples provided in this report.
The result:
Instead of cutting wasteful spending, nearly $2.5 billion was added each day in 2011 to our national debt which now exceeds $15 trillion.
Congress deadlocked over whether or not savings could be found by closing loopholes within the complex tax code. Meanwhile, the IRS approved roughly $1 billion in tax credits intended for energy efficiency home improvements to individuals who did not even own a house. These recipients included prisoners and children, some probably not even old enough to own a doll house.
While Congress bickered over whether or not the salaries of federal employees should be frozen, the federal government paid $120 million to federal employees who were deceased. Congress cannot now even agree on a plan to pay for the costs of extending jobless benefits to the millions of Americans who are still out of work. Yet, thousands of millionaires are receiving unemployment benefits and billions of dollars of improper payments of unemployment insurance are being made to individuals with jobs and others who do not qualify.
And remember those infamous bridges to nowhere in Alaska that became symbols of government waste years ago? The bridges were never built, yet the federal government still spent more than a million dollars just this year to pay for staff to promote one of the bridges. Drowning in red ink, Congress refused to agree to reduce, cut, or eliminate any of these Washington monuments of government waste.
President Obama‘s debt commission did issue recommendations to reduce the deficit by more than $3.5 trillion over the next decade. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) issued a report identifying over $200 billion in unnecessary, duplicative programs. But these suggestions and others were ignored by both chambers of Congress and the President.
Congress‘s deficit of courage to make tough budget decisions is best reflected by what it did agree to. The so-called Budget Control Act approved adding more than $2 trillion to the nation‘s already staggering debt. The Super Committee it created to address the debt crisis was a super disappointment.
And, the House and Senate appropriations committees also agreed to slash the budget of GAO, the one government agency that distinguished itself by identifying hundreds of billions of dollars in budget savings.
This report details 100 of the countless unnecessary, duplicative, or just plain stupid projects spread
throughout the federal government and paid for with your tax dollars this year that highlight the out-of control and shortsighted spending excesses in
Washington.
So perhaps there was no bigger waste of the taxpayer‘s money in 2011 than Congress itself. The dismal 9 percent approval rating, the lowest ever
recorded, would indicate the vast majority of Americans would agree.
The year 2011 will be remembered as a period of unrest as outraged Americans of all political stripes—tea party patriots on the right and Occupy Wall Street activists on the left—took to the streets in anger and disgust with the direction of our nation. As you look at these examples, regardless of your personal political persuasion, ask yourself: Would you agree with Washington these represent national priorities or would you agree these reflect the wasteful spending habits that threaten to bankrupt the future of the American Dream?
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You'll have to forgive my ignorance of American politics.. but I didnt know know that Obama was responsible for how Congress votes
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Spin is right, hehe, look at the spin going on in this thread. Frantic!
Super Six Four, goin' in hard!!
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So your response to the Senate Rep. choosing not to vote on the payroll tax cut is...
Why isnt the President making them?
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The "he" in my post quoted referred to zipman.
The loonies shove the blame to the so called "do nothing Congress", yet ignore the fact that the House has sent 30 some approved bills relating to the economy, budget, tax savings and jobs bills to the Senate but have ALL been shelved by Harry Reid. He would not even allow the bills to be introduced for discussion or vote.
So, yeah, it irks someone who watches their spin foot the blame on those trying their damndest to solve some of the problems.
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still doesnt answer her question
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Fortunately for America, the Independents aren't stupid. They can see Harry Reid shelving every measure passed by the House and going out to the mics and claiming that the Republicans are standing in the way of progress. LOL
Time and time again, he acts as though the legislation that he refused to allow to come to the floor in the Senate never existed.
Like I said, elections are decided by Independents and they can see his good ol' boy bullshit.
Time and time again, he acts as though the legislation that he refused to allow to come to the floor in the Senate never existed.
Like I said, elections are decided by Independents and they can see his good ol' boy bullshit.
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I often wonder where people are getting their news from..
to end up with such vastly diffrent outlooks on something
that should be relatively factual...
to end up with such vastly diffrent outlooks on something
that should be relatively factual...
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If either of the two had bothered to read the quoted article, they would see that Speaker Boehner is requesting help from Obama to encourage his party members in the Senate to join the House in finding a better solution than a "2 month" reprieve.
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I am all for a better solution the the 2 months extension
however having major economic issues draw out until the last possible minuet
or worse, not being able to find a better solution.. is unacceptable.
Also, do you honestly think Boehner is only seeking a better solution?
It couldnt possibly have anything to do with using this issue as a chip
to force Dem. into further concessions?
I honestly wonder sometimes if the elected rep. officals are trying to help
the economy, or just standing around hopeing it all falls apart so they
can gloat about it...
however having major economic issues draw out until the last possible minuet
or worse, not being able to find a better solution.. is unacceptable.
Also, do you honestly think Boehner is only seeking a better solution?
It couldnt possibly have anything to do with using this issue as a chip
to force Dem. into further concessions?
I honestly wonder sometimes if the elected rep. officals are trying to help
the economy, or just standing around hopeing it all falls apart so they
can gloat about it...
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The idea is to pass 2 month reprieve while they work on a longer term solution.
But the house republicans would rather see the tax go up than do that.
Again, the republicans are the ones preventing the signing of tax cut.
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House Republicans originally sent the Senate a bill extending the provisions expiring Dec. 31 for one year.
The Senate responded on Saturday by passing a two-month extension instead, then adjourned until Jan. 23
Obama as well as House Democrats originally asked for the one-year provision.
“All we are asking is that our colleagues come back to town to resolve our differences and do it right for once,” Boehner said. “There’s no disagreement here at all.”
Rep. Austin Scott (R. - Ga.), asked the president to stand with House Republicans, who he says are doing as he requested. The one-year extension on the Social Security payroll tax cut and unemployment benefits are the centerpiece of Obama’s package to get Americans back to work.
“The Senate put a bad amendment on a good bill,” Scott said. “Twelve months is what the president asked for, twelve months is what we did. The Senate, in their haste to get out of town, did it for 60 days.”
House Majority Leader Eric Canton (R. - Va.) said the Senate’s two-month plan is unworkable.
“Families, workers, can’t live their lives month to month,” Cantor said. “Washington needs to stop adding uncertainty and confusion to more people’s lives. A two month patch is irresponsible…we believe all Americans deserve certainty.”
Angry House Republicans are insisting the Senate return to Washington and renegotiate the differences in a conference committee.
“Our economy is too weak and the American people have been struggling for far too long for Congress not to work out our differences,” said Rep. Dave Camp (R. - Mich.), chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.
“This is not a difference over policy, but the House deciding to act and the Senate not deciding to act on so many policies,” Camp said.
The Senate responded on Saturday by passing a two-month extension instead, then adjourned until Jan. 23
Obama as well as House Democrats originally asked for the one-year provision.
“All we are asking is that our colleagues come back to town to resolve our differences and do it right for once,” Boehner said. “There’s no disagreement here at all.”
Rep. Austin Scott (R. - Ga.), asked the president to stand with House Republicans, who he says are doing as he requested. The one-year extension on the Social Security payroll tax cut and unemployment benefits are the centerpiece of Obama’s package to get Americans back to work.
“The Senate put a bad amendment on a good bill,” Scott said. “Twelve months is what the president asked for, twelve months is what we did. The Senate, in their haste to get out of town, did it for 60 days.”
House Majority Leader Eric Canton (R. - Va.) said the Senate’s two-month plan is unworkable.
“Families, workers, can’t live their lives month to month,” Cantor said. “Washington needs to stop adding uncertainty and confusion to more people’s lives. A two month patch is irresponsible…we believe all Americans deserve certainty.”
Angry House Republicans are insisting the Senate return to Washington and renegotiate the differences in a conference committee.
“Our economy is too weak and the American people have been struggling for far too long for Congress not to work out our differences,” said Rep. Dave Camp (R. - Mich.), chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.
“This is not a difference over policy, but the House deciding to act and the Senate not deciding to act on so many policies,” Camp said.
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This independent can clearly see the horse shit on both sides.
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At this point it is not really about taxes anymore. It is about run away federal spending. Soon we will be spending so much on debt interest there will not be enough left over for much else, including Obamacare. Does not have to be repealed, it will soon be unfunded.
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LOL. We could eliminate the debt rather quickly if we actually cared. Obamacare isn't going to be unfunded either.
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LOL, coming from you that's rich.
Shouldn't you be busy refuting Perg's global warming claims? You do remember that you claimed you would do that, didin't you?
Of course it's easier to say I'm full of shit instead of explaining why the house republicans won't simply make sure the tax cuts don't expire.
I mean, they are from the party of lower taxes, right? *snicker*
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C'mon, Zip. Obviously asking him to make good on his promise is setting the bar too high. It's only been five months now.
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I guess he's too busy running around the board telling other people they are full of shit.
And the pussy (Ish) wouldn't even say what part of my post was full of shit.
Of course that's because he can't.
So he snipes llike vette, miles, and the rest of the wingnuts.
