why are nonconsensual-stories never noncon?

[Hot4NonCon]

heyho...

well, i'm kinda frightened to ask, but i've been asking myself this question for years.

i have rape fantasies and don't like it - i feel bad about them. but i have them. and i know i'm not the only one.

but everytime i'm reading a Non-Consensual Sex story (straight or gay) it turns out the "victim" likes it. i NEVER read a story where the victim is raped.

i knooooow...writing a rape/noncon-story means the writer also has such fantasies and this means he likes it. but stories exist to live the fantasy. why does the FICTIONAL character in a story also like it?

i wrote some rape stories when i was younger (but my parents found them and got angry very bad so i have a blockade to write stories until now^^) and in those stories the rape victim was always forced. there was no "it turns me on - i can't resist" i used my stories to live a real rape fantasy. i don't want to be rape in reality and it's a bad crime, but in a story it could be a real rape. cause i was the one who could control the rapists actions.

i'm telling this because i don't want anyone to think i've no clue what it is like to write a story^^

i read so many noncon stories - not only on literotica - and it ALWAYS ends up in the victim liking it.

i had a theory: maybe the write also has a real bad consense because of his fantasies and tries to soften the story. as in: "okay it was a rape story but if i let the victim say it's hot than i did nothing wrong" (i felt bad after writing a rape story that's why my theory)

but than again - why do all noncon-stories end up like that? can't be that all writers have a bad consense...and that's okay. having a bad consense because of rape fantasies isn't good at all

okay - so maybe i can get a (nice) answer after all those years!

maybe non-consensual sex doesn't mean rape at all. maybe it means "forcing someone to have sex but than he likes it" - maybe rape stories are forbidden on the internet? (i read something like that in a yaoi forum)

i'm from germany so maybe there is a law against rape stories in other countries or such thing....

@noncon-writers: don't get me wrong. i'm not blaming you for not writing real rape stories. i'm just wondering.

greeting Felix

ps: sorry for the many words. i wanted to make sure you can understand what i mean - i'm not so good with that language after all^^

 

[RawHumor]

It may have something to do with the site's rules. I'm not sure real non-consent stories are allowed here.

 

[Hot4NonCon]

It may have something to do with the site's rules. I'm not sure real non-consent stories are allowed here.

that's what i though but then it must be forbidden on every site - not only here.

and ain't incest as evil as rape? why should incest stories be allowed and not rape stories...

and most noncon isn't friendly either. what use is it to kidnap and violate someone and force him to have sex and THEN make difference between rape and he/she likes it in the end.

it's only a difference in taste - but it's both not very nice.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Incest is no where near as bad as rape. That said there is a soft Lit rule against hard rape where the victim doesn't like it in the end.

I would reccommend you look up my (Sean Renaud's) non-cons though. In particular Posers. That one has no happy ending. Karen's Fate is pretty good as well though the victim likes it and was indeed asking for it it's still MUCH rougher and MUCH darker than the majority of stories here.

 

[Hot4NonCon]

okay thanks for the information will read the stories you recommended.

i think rape FANTASIES and incest are both pretty evil but the one with the lust for it can't do anything against it.

just don't see why people who wanna read/write rape stories are "the perverts" and people who wanna fuck with a family member are the good guys.

sorry it's not an assault. just don't get it. most people with rape fantasies don't want to do any harm in real life. it's even better to read the stories so the one with the fantasy can satisfy his/her own desire without doing anything bad.

but that's why i never started such a topic cuz people who have NO rape fantasies - it's easy for them to say it's evil and must be forbidden in stories.

non-con isn't one bit better than rape. the character get's kidnapped, tortured, is frightened. it's not that much of a difference in morale if he/she wants it in the end cause his/her body says so.

it's just DOPPELMORAL (double standards)

but as i said: i don't want to discuss that, just had to free my mind a bit...

so i'm happy to know why literotica and other sites have only non-rape stories. i'm not confused anymore question answered.

greeting Felix

 

[Sean Renaud]

Its simple. Rape is forced. Incest (as presented in the stories) is not. You're basically asking why is assault illegal but boxing is a sport. They might look similar but they really are nothing alike.

Glad I answered your question though. Like I said it's a soft rule on lit. You can get around it and Posers by me is a great example of just saying fuck the "rules" It got held back a bit based on age of charachters I had to twist somethings to make it clear they weren't teens but then it got through and again I would recommend Karen's Fate. Not really Non-con because she was enjoying it but she wasn't supposed to be.

 

[Hot4NonCon]

Its simple. Rape is forced. Incest (as presented in the stories) is not. You're basically asking why is assault illegal but boxing is a sport. They might look similar but they really are nothing alike.

Glad I answered your question though. Like I said it's a soft rule on lit. You can get around it and Posers by me is a great example of just saying fuck the "rules" It got held back a bit based on age of charachters I had to twist somethings to make it clear they weren't teens but then it got through and again I would recommend Karen's Fate. Not really Non-con because she was enjoying it but she wasn't supposed to be.

yeah i get your point with the forced rape/wanted incest thing...

but still it's not fair to make a difference between fantasy X (incest) and fantasy Y (rape)...and saying fantasy Y (rape) is evil but fantasy Z (noncon) is good. they're all sexual fantasies you can't tell everyone. and the owner can't choose them.

but you didn't make that hard rape rule i know

yepp, reading the poser story at the moment^^

 

[rosco rathbone]

heyho...

well, i'm kinda frightened to ask, but i've been asking myself this question for years.

i have rape fantasies and don't like it - i feel bad about them. but i have them. and i know i'm not the only one.

but everytime i'm reading a Non-Consensual Sex story (straight or gay) it turns out the "victim" likes it. i NEVER read a story where the victim is raped.

i knooooow...writing a rape/noncon-story means the writer also has such fantasies and this means he likes it. but stories exist to live the fantasy. why does the FICTIONAL character in a story also like it?

i wrote some rape stories when i was younger (but my parents found them and got angry very bad so i have a blockade to write stories until now^^) and in those stories the rape victim was always forced. there was no "it turns me on - i can't resist" i used my stories to live a real rape fantasy. i don't want to be rape in reality and it's a bad crime, but in a story it could be a real rape. cause i was the one who could control the rapists actions.

i'm telling this because i don't want anyone to think i've no clue what it is like to write a story^^

i read so many noncon stories - not only on literotica - and it ALWAYS ends up in the victim liking it.

i had a theory: maybe the write also has a real bad consense because of his fantasies and tries to soften the story. as in: "okay it was a rape story but if i let the victim say it's hot than i did nothing wrong" (i felt bad after writing a rape story that's why my theory)

but than again - why do all noncon-stories end up like that? can't be that all writers have a bad consense...and that's okay. having a bad consense because of rape fantasies isn't good at all

okay - so maybe i can get a (nice) answer after all those years!

maybe non-consensual sex doesn't mean rape at all. maybe it means "forcing someone to have sex but than he likes it" - maybe rape stories are forbidden on the internet? (i read something like that in a yaoi forum)

i'm from germany so maybe there is a law against rape stories in other countries or such thing....

@noncon-writers: don't get me wrong. i'm not blaming you for not writing real rape stories. i'm just wondering.

greeting Felix

ps: sorry for the many words. i wanted to make sure you can understand what i mean - i'm not so good with that language after all^^

I agree with this. I hate fake noncon.

 

[Hot4NonCon]

i'm surprised there a people with my opinion.

thought i'd get flammed for my comments

 

[casapa]

depends on the gender

for me it depends on the gender of the author.women like forced stories where the women cum at the end.men don't care.both rape and incest are evil but there is nothing wrong with the fantasy thing.i myself like rape stories without the female liking it and there are a lot of this kind all over the net.just do a little searching.

 

[Fantasies_only]

heyho...

well, i'm kinda frightened to ask, but i've been asking myself this question for years.

i have rape fantasies and don't like it - i feel bad about them. but i have them. and i know i'm not the only one.

but everytime i'm reading a Non-Consensual Sex story (straight or gay) it turns out the "victim" likes it. i NEVER read a story where the victim is raped.

i knooooow...writing a rape/noncon-story means the writer also has such fantasies and this means he likes it. but stories exist to live the fantasy. why does the FICTIONAL character in a story also like it?

i wrote some rape stories when i was younger (but my parents found them and got angry very bad so i have a blockade to write stories until now^^) and in those stories the rape victim was always forced. there was no "it turns me on - i can't resist" i used my stories to live a real rape fantasy. i don't want to be rape in reality and it's a bad crime, but in a story it could be a real rape. cause i was the one who could control the rapists actions.

i'm telling this because i don't want anyone to think i've no clue what it is like to write a story^^

i read so many noncon stories - not only on literotica - and it ALWAYS ends up in the victim liking it.

i had a theory: maybe the write also has a real bad consense because of his fantasies and tries to soften the story. as in: "okay it was a rape story but if i let the victim say it's hot than i did nothing wrong" (i felt bad after writing a rape story that's why my theory)

but than again - why do all noncon-stories end up like that? can't be that all writers have a bad consense...and that's okay. having a bad consense because of rape fantasies isn't good at all

okay - so maybe i can get a (nice) answer after all those years!

maybe non-consensual sex doesn't mean rape at all. maybe it means "forcing someone to have sex but than he likes it" - maybe rape stories are forbidden on the internet? (i read something like that in a yaoi forum)

i'm from germany so maybe there is a law against rape stories in other countries or such thing....

@noncon-writers: don't get me wrong. i'm not blaming you for not writing real rape stories. i'm just wondering.

greeting Felix

ps: sorry for the many words. i wanted to make sure you can understand what i mean - i'm not so good with that language after all^^

Both violent rape and forced rape are totally distasteful to me and possibly objectionable to other readers.
Laurel and Manu knew this as these stories can be seen publicly to anyone over the age of 17.

 

[dogs_of_phwoar]

I have a lot of sympathy for your feelings, Hot4NonCon.

I like this website and sometimes drop in to read the discussion forums, but for me it's frustrating due to the predominance of incest stories. It just doesn't do it for me - a total blank. I'm like, "Yuck - why would you want to do that?" I don't have a problem with other people writing about it - after all it's not *real* people - I just don't get the fantasy one bit. (Does that make me weird?)

But I wouldn't flame people for writing it. Therefore, I don't think there should be a problem with writing "hard-rape" stories either because, again, it's not real! Personally I wouldn't find that 100%-non-consensual idea a turn-on... "He met her and drugged her and fucked her and she hated it and he left her crying and she took many years to work through the issues" just doesn't work for me, but I think I can understand the desire for this and after all, reading and writing is a damn site better than going out and doing it. What DOES work is the idea that she didn't like it at first, then kinda got into it and ended up getting a kick from it... Add just that bit of enjoyment for the "victim" into it, and I'm right there with you. And I imagine I'm not the only one and that's why the soft-rule that SeanRenaud mentions has evolved.

I do agree with SR's comment: the incest is consensual, the rape isn't, hence the point. But incest's illegal too, so if one can be written about, who are we to draw the line? As I say, I have sympathy for this question because I have an extreme distaste for the incest stories - which (and I still don't get why) many people on here don't share.

Hey, each to their own. Isn't there a thing on here where the Loving Wives stories people flame people who write about unfaithful partners and such? I'm saying that's a bad thing, and we should all live and let live because, at the end of the day, it's not real. If you don't like it, don't read it.

So, I'm with you all the way Hot4NonCon, more power to your elbow for raising the issue. Even though it sounds like I would stop a few points short of where you want to go, that's your prerogative as fair as I'm concerned. Fiction, chaps and chapesses, fiction!

 

[Munachi]

well, it is a complicated issue i guess and i have various thoughts on it, not all of which i remember right now but will try to write down some...

first though - for those who don't like non-consent stories, or incest stories, or whatever - lit has categories. you can see that category before even clicking on a story (and you can even search stories via category) - it is EASY to avoid the stories you don't like. personally i am not particularly interested in incest (the one incest story i ever wrote was a kind of anti-incest story), and don't get it, so i don't go and read it usually... i am however quite interested in non-consense stories, and i have observed the same problem as you, though in reality there are exceptions...

here some blatant self-promotion - a story i wrote together with my boyfriend: http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=293638 and a story I wrote by myself: http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=386548

Either way, obviously people who phantasize about rape don't want to get raped, no one in their right mind would, I guess. I guess it is more about giving up control, some say it is about "not being the one to blame" etc. ... And I guess for many people it is enough to have a story with some reluctance and then "she ends up liking it" - while for others the phantasy has to be stronger... So maybe many of those who write the stories are from the first kind? Also some might not usually write non-consent stories but do so just to put a check-mark behind the category, so they'd feel bad writing somethign they can't identify with... and some might think they shouldn't write anything harsher, no one would want to read it, it wouldn't be allowed...

In the end I guess the borders are kind of difficult to determine, there are phantasies and story ideas that I think wouldn't be right for this forum (or really, to share with anyone except maybe a person you really trust) - but phantasies are phantasies and you shouldn't feel bad for them as long as you can clearly distinguish them from reality...

though it interests me a bit how the thinking of guys who write in that category is - i usually write from the victim's point of view...

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

that's what i though but then it must be forbidden on every site - not only here. ...

That simply isn't true. There are several other sites which allow genuine rape stories, and at least one which has nothing else.

To find them Google rape +snuff +stories.

 

[Deadwood]

I have written some incest stories in the past, and quite a few non-consent stories, a few of which did not have a happy ending in the end. I was actually surprised it was allowed on Literotica, but it was probably because it was not really brutal and had an excellent story line.

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=227745

I think one huge difference between Incest Stories and Rape stories is that in real life incest is about sex. Rape isn't. True rape in the real world is more about power and control on a very dark and disturbing level. As I write and read literotica non-consent stories, I know this fact so it takes the edge of the story. I think if literotica freely allowed no-happy endings to its non-consent stories, then it would blur the distinction from fantasy to reality as it would shift the story focus from sex...to power and control...and that can be disturbing.

All in all...I think we all know that no matter how kinky, wild or down right dirty the sex is, when it is done with two consenting adults, that is actually the best sex of all.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Dear God why is it no matter how many examples I post to the contrary nobody realizes there is no happy ending RULE on lit there is only a happy ending tradition?!

 

[subwannabe]

This is an interesting thread. A lot of women do have rape fantasies. If I were a woman I know I would have rape fantasies. I don't really know the answer to your question though. In reality a woman who has a rape fantasy and secretly wanted it to come true would be "wanting it" and would theoritically enjoy it but rape is more a crime of violence than a crime of sex so most women would not really want a real rape, but the kind of planned rape that would turn her on. How to sort all that out for a story would be difficult because a woman would not want a real rape, only the exact kind of rape she would fantasize about, which would be a rape that would turn her on and that she would "like". I do see your point though and think that a story could be possible. If I had the time I would give it a whirl. Once I had erotic email correspondance with some women and one requested that I write her a rape story. I remember she liked it. Don't have it anymore.

 

[LOAnnie2]

As a writer, I tried one hardcore rape story once... it got denied and had to be edited down so many times, it's not nearly as hard as it was in the very first draft.

My way around this is rather simple. Blackmail. The only difference between blackmail and rape in my opinion is that in rape, the woman has no say in the matter, she's just taken (or man as the case may be). In blackmail, they sort of have a choice, and have to choose to do it (or face other consequences).

In many ways, blackmail is probably worse. You don't have to deal with the woman liking it because she chose to subject herself to it, and that choosing to subject herself is far more mentally demeaning than just being taken