Why are “Favorite Porn Stars” always female?

[EmilyMiller]

No not the rather hackneyed question.

It’s just someone asked me this on Lit in a PM and I realized that I came up with a list of girls. To me in most porn the guys are kinda incidental. I know a few male pornstars, but can’t say I fancy any of them. And the action is all about the girl and the male gaze. I can’t recall many close ups on the guy. Maybe being bi, I kinda get the male gaze. Or perhaps that’s just me.

I’m torn between wanting to be the girl, or wanting to be with the girl. I can’t recall thinking I want to be with the guy. Do other girls feel that way as well?

Exception: some transgender porn, I might want the female transsexual to fuck me. Then I guess they are the center of attention like girls are in more mainstream porn.

Thoughts?

 

[FL30]

Since you're new, you probably didn't go past the first page, but there is already a thread/post about favorite porn stars that was created in 2020. Here's the link to it: https://forum.literotica.com/threads/who-is-your-favorite-porn-star.1517902/

 

[EmilyMiller]

Since you're new, you probably didn't go past the first page, but there is already a thread/post about favorite porn stars that was created in 2020. Here's the link to it: https://forum.literotica.com/threads/who-is-your-favorite-porn-star.1517902/

Bad choice of title - have changed - thanks

Em

 

[stickygirl]

No not the rather hackneyed question.

It’s just someone asked me this on Lit in a PM and I realized that I came up with a list of girls. To me in most porn the guys are kinda incidental. I know a few male pornstars, but can’t say I fancy any of them. And the action is all about the girl and the male gaze. I can’t recall many close ups on the guy. Maybe being bi, I kinda get the male gaze. Or perhaps that’s just me.

I’m torn between wanting to be the girl, or wanting to be with the girl. I can’t recall thinking I want to be with the guy. Do other girls feel that way as well?

Exception: some transsexual porn, I might want the female transsexual to fuck me. Then I guess they are the center of attention like girls are in more mainstream porn.

Thoughts?

I wish men were featured more and not cropped out to become simply be a set of hips with a dick. Just occasionally we get a shot of a hairy ass pumping or a full length of him shagging her, but usually he's an extra in the scene, so the viewer watches endless shots of 'his meat in hers' shots *yawn.

Even less frequently are guys with pubic hair and not shaved, like we were watching an animated powerpoint of 'How sex works'. Sure, men are welcome to shave their nuts, but my preference is for something more grizzly even if it means spitting fur balls halfway through a blow job ....because that's what happens IRL.

As for perspective, I get the 'wanna be her' vs 'wanna be with her' but our brains are practised at switching heads and povs. I doubt many guys wanna be her... or maybe not?! Porn makers must surely be on their guard that they don't cause gay-panic in their viewers so the predominantly male audience's attention is kept directed safely at the woman.

Anyhooo that's why I don't watch much porn because one dick is much like another.
Just an aside, could you use transgender, not transsexual x

 

[EmilyMiller]

I wish men were featured more and not cropped out to become simply be a set of hips with a dick. Just occasionally we get a shot of a hairy ass pumping or a full length of him shagging her, but usually he's an extra in the scene, so the viewer watches endless shots of 'his meat in hers' shots *yawn.

Even less frequently are guys with pubic hair and not shaved, like we were watching an animated powerpoint of 'How sex works'. Sure, men are welcome to shave their nuts, but my preference is for something more grizzly even if it means spitting fur balls halfway through a blow job ....because that's what happens IRL.

As for perspective, I get the 'wanna be her' vs 'wanna be with her' but our brains are practised at switching heads and povs. I doubt many guys wanna be her... or maybe not?! Porn makers must surely be on their guard that they don't cause gay-panic in their viewers so the predominantly male audience's attention is kept directed safely at the woman.

Anyhooo that's why I don't watch much porn because one dick is much like another.
Just an aside, could you use transgender, not transsexual x

Sorry on the last point. Will fix.

You do see a few girls now with - admittedly trimmed - pubic hair, but shaved / waxed is de rigueur most of the time I agree. To an extent so that you can see what is happening I guess, plus the prepubescent look. Then that’s not an area I should really be commenting on.

Em

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I wish men were featured more and not cropped out to become simply be a set of hips with a dick. Just occasionally we get a shot of a hairy ass pumping or a full length of him shagging her, but usually he's an extra in the scene, so the viewer watches endless shots of 'his meat in hers' shots *yawn.

Check out the "SeeHimFuck" series. Way too much hairy man-ass for me but to each their own.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think your explanation is spot on.

I'll will add to never leave out homo phobic men. I can name quite a few male porn stars, and in some cases I'll watch a video because they're in it.

Not suffering from cold male insecurity I can explain that this is because the scene is that much hotter if the guy is as attractive as the woman. Let's face it, part of why more women began watching porn is because someone figured out women don't want to see gross slobs like Ron Jeremy they want to see guys that look like they live in the gym and are good looking in general. I've worked hard to stay in shape all my life, so when a guy in the video takes his shirt off and is ripped as fuck, I can appreciate the work that goes into that and be like "Man, good for you."

Its no different than when my wife, who has no interest in women, will watch a video with me and make a comment about a female porn star like "Damn, I'd lick that ass."

You can appreciate the human body even if its not your sexual preference and I think far more women get that then men.

I like to get guys going sometimes if porn is being discussed. I'll talk about how the video is better if the guy has a big cock. I wait for the "I don't look at that" and counter with...so when you're watching a blow job you see nothing going in her mouth? You see nothing going inside her? Of course you're focused on the cock as much as her because its right there.

Then follows them calling me a fag. Men are predictable if nothing else.

 

[KatieDoes]

Porn is made to appeal to men. Even the ‘for women’ category is made up of what men think women should want to watch. There is some made to appeal to the female gaze, but it’s rare, hard to find, and not generally on the free porn pages.

If you want to see porn where you can see the entire man, and the camera isn’t focused solely on the woman and his dick, look for porn made to appeal to gay men. ‘Straight Guys For Gay Eyes‘ features straight sex, but it’s filmed to appeal to gay men. So the men are generally good looking, well built, and the camera angles allow you to see their entire bodies.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Porn is made to appeal to men. Even the ‘for women’ category is made up of what men think women should want to watch.

That is not entirely true. Plenty of female-created content out there like the "Tushy/Vixen" flix.

 

[lovecraft68]

I wish men were featured more and not cropped out to become simply be a set of hips with a dick. Just occasionally we get a shot of a hairy ass pumping or a full length of him shagging her, but usually he's an extra in the scene, so the viewer watches endless shots of 'his meat in hers' shots *yawn.

Even less frequently are guys with pubic hair and not shaved, like we were watching an animated powerpoint of 'How sex works'. Sure, men are welcome to shave their nuts, but my preference is for something more grizzly even if it means spitting fur balls halfway through a blow job ....because that's what happens IRL.

As for perspective, I get the 'wanna be her' vs 'wanna be with her' but our brains are practised at switching heads and povs. I doubt many guys wanna be her... or maybe not?! Porn makers must surely be on their guard that they don't cause gay-panic in their viewers so the predominantly male audience's attention is kept directed safely at the woman.

Anyhooo that's why I don't watch much porn because one dick is much like another.
Just an aside, could you use transgender, not transsexual x

The fact POV porn is so big shows how irrelevant men are beyond their cock. Not just POV blow job vids, but sex as well. The view of the woman on top, or doggy with the camera only showing her back and the guy penetrating her. I get a kick out of the occasional outbursts from male porn stars they should be paid like the woman....your face isn't even in the video, you risk nothing.

Also makes it easy for ugly men who have decent size dicks to get some work because who knows what these guys look like.

I tend to watch porn that has more foreplay, and shows both of the guy and woman equally. I'm not a fan of detached penis sex.

 

[lovecraft68]

Porn is made to appeal to men. Even the ‘for women’ category is made up of what men think women should want to watch. There is some made to appeal to the female gaze, but it’s rare, hard to find, and not generally on the free porn pages.

If you want to see porn where you can see the entire man, and the camera isn’t focused solely on the woman and his dick, look for porn made to appeal to gay men. ‘Straight Guys For Gay Eyes‘ features straight sex, but it’s filmed to appeal to gay men. So the men are generally good looking, well built, and the camera angles allow you to see their entire bodies.

If you ever venture to the author's hang out, you'll see a lot of male authors telling the women there that they know what women want in their erotica and can write as women because they know them so well.

The mansplaining is strong over there. Bonus popcorn for if the conversation shifts towards defining consent, then hilarity ensues.

I do write stories from the female POV and my take on my own work is I probably come across as a guy writing as a woman.

But...back to my post to stickygurl homophobia dictates guys believe I'm a woman because if they thought something a man wrote got them off....oh no, I have the gay!

That's the reason bi-male porn has a limited audience, few guys will watch it....or maybe I should say will admit they do

 

[KatieDoes]

That is not entirely true. Plenty of female-created content out there like the "Tushy/Vixen" flix.

Those are founded and owned by men. They’re a bit more woman friendly and allegedly more ethical, but they are still focused on appealing to men first.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Those are founded and owned by men. They’re a bit more woman friendly and allegedly more ethical, but they are still focused on appealing to men first.

They have female directors and producers. They appeal to men because men buy eleventymillion times more pR0n than females.

 

[stickygirl]

Check out the "SeeHimFuck" series. Way too much hairy man-ass for me but to each their own.

Never heard of that. I'll check it out, thanks

 

[EmilyMiller]

I think your explanation is spot on.

I'll will add to never leave out homo phobic men. I can name quite a few male porn stars, and in some cases I'll watch a video because they're in it.

Not suffering from cold male insecurity I can explain that this is because the scene is that much hotter if the guy is as attractive as the woman. Let's face it, part of why more women began watching porn is because someone figured out women don't want to see gross slobs like Ron Jeremy they want to see guys that look like they live in the gym and are good looking in general. I've worked hard to stay in shape all my life, so when a guy in the video takes his shirt off and is ripped as fuck, I can appreciate the work that goes into that and be like "Man, good for you."

Its no different than when my wife, who has no interest in women, will watch a video with me and make a comment about a female porn star like "Damn, I'd lick that ass."

You can appreciate the human body even if its not your sexual preference and I think far more women get that then men.

I like to get guys going sometimes if porn is being discussed. I'll talk about how the video is better if the guy has a big cock. I wait for the "I don't look at that" and counter with...so when you're watching a blow job you see nothing going in her mouth? You see nothing going inside her? Of course you're focused on the cock as much as her because its right there.

Then follows them calling me a fag. Men are predictable if nothing else.

Guys are weird. I quite like Little Caprice and her hubby fucking. They do seem to enjoy each other, I wonder what their non-professional sex life is like. Is it Marco something (making my own point now)? He’s not my type facially, but he’s got a nice body and I get off on it being a husband and wife fucking for money. I want that job.

Wm

 

[EmilyMiller]

Porn is made to appeal to men. Even the ‘for women’ category is made up of what men think women should want to watch. There is some made to appeal to the female gaze, but it’s rare, hard to find, and not generally on the free porn pages.

If you want to see porn where you can see the entire man, and the camera isn’t focused solely on the woman and his dick, look for porn made to appeal to gay men. ‘Straight Guys For Gay Eyes‘ features straight sex, but it’s filmed to appeal to gay men. So the men are generally good looking, well built, and the camera angles allow you to see their entire bodies.

Will have to try to find some.

Em

 

[lovecraft68]

Guys are weird. I quite like Little Caprice and her hubby fucking. They do seem to enjoy each other, I wonder what their non-professional sex life is like. Is it Marco something (making my own point now)? He’s not my type facially, but he’s got a nice body and I get off on it being a husband and wife fucking for money. I want that job.

Wm

Porn hub is full of great couples. I enjoy Leo and Lulu, especially.

Like you said the idea this is a loving couple making bank with their sex life is hot.

By the same token though, a lot of content creators on PH and other sites specialize in POV, its the woman, and her guy's dick or sometimes some of his body, rarely the face. Mimi Boom and Nasty Woman are two of my favs for that.

 

[lovecraft68]

Those are founded and owned by men. They’re a bit more woman friendly and allegedly more ethical, but they are still focused on appealing to men first.

Porn hub has a lot of women content creators, most of it POV with their partners.

Clips for sale is where a lot of women produce and make their own videos down to hiring the male talent-and more that are doing it with a husband or BF-I buy videos from there because I like to support the non big time porn industry, and I enjoy the amateur feel to it.

 

[RandallOldman]

It's true that my knowledge is dated, but I think the primary answer to your question is because women ARE the stars and for the most part, the men are incidental, just like you surmised.

I say this because a friend's brother was a porn producer, and basically, he said the women made 10-100 times what the men made. This was a long time ago, like the 80s or so, but I could see it still having some truth.

I'm showing my age here, but I can only name three male porn stars: John Holmes, Peter North, and Ron Jeremy. Lol I can name a hundred or more females.

It'll be interesting to see how times change.

 

[EmilyMiller]

It's true that my knowledge is dated, but I think the primary answer to your question is because women ARE the stars and for the most part, the men are incidental, just like you surmised.

I say this because a friend's brother was a porn producer, and basically, he said the women made 10-100 times what the men made. This was a long time ago, like the 80s or so, but I could see it still having some truth.

I'm showing my age here, but I can only name three male porn stars: John Holmes, Peter North, and Ron Jeremy. Lol I can name a hundred or more females.

It'll be interesting to see how times change.

I don’t think much has changed.

Em

 

[stickygirl]

Just picking up on your mention of 'male gaze', I started a thread about female gaze in AH in trying to decide define what it meant. In that I think Bramblethorn mentioned a female owned/run porn company that tried to uphold better contractual conditions and content for actors. I never got around to following up that link but I'd be interested to... I'll go back to that thread and see if I can find it

 

[EmilyMiller]

I like being with girls as well as guys. But I’m not sure that - despite what I say - that means I have the full-on male gaze. Perhaps somewhere in between what a wholly straight woman appreciating a beautiful female body feels and a guy lustihg after it. Sorry if that is making guys seem one-dimensional. I’m basing this on chats with guys and also a lesbian friend.

Em

 

[stickygirl]

I like being with girls as well as guys. But I’m not sure that - despite what I say - that means I have the full-on male gaze. Perhaps somewhere in between what a wholly straight woman appreciating a beautiful female body feels and a guy lustihg after it. Sorry if that is making guys seem one-dimensional. I’m basing this on chats with guys and also a lesbian friend.

Em

Whew... as that other thread proved, the room for discussion is endless, perhaps because it is inexorably linked to an individual's tastes? Trying to pin down one's penchant in the moment is like Quark theory: even revealing it may modify our mood.

How much is our sexual attraction modified by what we see expressed in porn? Quite a bit I'd say - it's habitualized. Boys never thought to ask their gfs for anal or even blowjobs before porn video made them common place. Instead now, young girls feel pressured to conform to entirely false expectations by porn, so it's no surprise if women adopt a male-centric appreciation of their own gender.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Whew... as that other thread proved, the room for discussion is endless, perhaps because it is inexorably linked to an individual's tastes? Trying to pin down one's penchant in the moment is like Quark theory: even revealing it may modify our mood.

How much is our sexual attraction modified by what we see expressed in porn? Quite a bit I'd say - it's habitualized. Boys never thought to ask their gfs for anal or even blowjobs before porn video made them common place. Instead now, young girls feel pressured to conform to entirely false expectations by porn, so it's no surprise if women adopt a male-centric appreciation of their own gender.

That’s interesting. I’m 25, so on-line porn was a part of growing up. I had anal sex for the first time just after my first vaginal sex (with the same guy I hasten to add), as soon as we got his cock hard again. I guess that’s not a normal experience in a historical context. I didn’t think anything of it at the time, or indeed in retrospect (then I really like anal), but maybe I was conditioned to think that way. Food for thought.

Em

 

[stickygirl]

That’s interesting. I’m 25, so on-line porn was a part of growing up. I had anal sex for the first time just after my first vaginal sex (with the same guy I hasten to add), as soon as we got his cock hard again. I guess that’s not a normal experience in a historical context. I didn’t think anything of it at the time, or indeed in retrospect (then I really like anal), but maybe I was conditioned to think that way. Food for thought.

Em

I remember the anal sex issue being talked about in the media in the UK maybe ten years ago, when clearly it had become a new problem. Always best to get the vag sex done first! Eeek.... but there's a thing too - I almost screamed in horror when I first saw a vid that apparently showed vaginal penetration directly after anal - maybe it was edited that way? That's the kind of important sex ed that can be woefully behind the curve.