who's afraid of the coronavirus vaccine, or why some experience the 'Nocebo effect'

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...t-phenomenon/ar-AAT0Va7?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

in otherwords, the more likely you are to expect to feel adverse reactions, the more likely you are.

How Researchers Conducted This Study
Researchers from Harvard Medical School and Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center compared the rates of adverse reactions reported by people who received the vaccine versus those who received a placebo. They reviewed 12 clinical trials for different types of COVID vaccines - looking at 22,802 vaccine recipient and 22,578 placebo recipient reports - and found that the nocebo effect accounted for 76 percent of common systemic reactions (those not experienced at the local injection site) following the first vaccine dose and almost 52 percent following the second.

Though the researchers did find that more vaccine recipients reported adverse reactions, about a third of placebo recipients reported at least one adverse reaction after either dose. Headache and fatigue were the most common reactions reported by this placebo group. It's worth noting, too, that adverse reactions dipped for the placebo group after the second dose and increased for the vaccine group.

According to an article published on the Harvard Medical School website, some of the adverse effects experienced by the vaccine group can also be attributed to the nocebo effect, "given that many of these events also occurred in the placebo group."

 

[LittleDixie]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...t-phenomenon/ar-AAT0Va7?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

in otherwords, the more likely you are to expect to feel adverse reactions, the more likely you are.

It's the same with the virus.

 

[oggbashan]

I don't do adverse reactions to anything, not drugs, not vaccines, not chemotherapy (except losing SOME hair). I don't believe in them.

After chemotherapy, you are supposed to feel sick. I refuse the anti-sickness tablets. I still have an unused box from my first chemo.

I annoy the other chemo patients. Halfway through my first course, I was hungry afterwards. I went to the hospital's restaurant and had a full English Breakfast followed by cake. Next to me was another chemo patient, nibbling a biscuit and drinking weak tea.

 

[BidudeinWi]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...t-phenomenon/ar-AAT0Va7?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

in otherwords, the more likely you are to expect to feel adverse reactions, the more likely you are.

The brain is powerful and the “placebo effect” has been even demonstrated in knee surgery. It’s real.

 

[butters]

https://imgur.com/gallery/CueiSJo

 

[pecksniff]

I went to the hospital's restaurant and had a full English Breakfast followed by cake.

One of these?! Seriously?! I couldn't get one of those down on my best morning!

 

[oggbashan]

One of these?! Seriously?! I couldn't get one of those down on my best morning!

You can imagine the reaction of my fellow chemo patients.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I don't do adverse reactions to anything, not drugs, not vaccines, not chemotherapy (except losing SOME hair). I don't believe in them.

After chemotherapy, you are supposed to feel sick. I refuse the anti-sickness tablets. I still have an unused box from my first chemo.

I annoy the other chemo patients. Halfway through my first course, I was hungry afterwards. I went to the hospital's restaurant and had a full English Breakfast followed by cake. Next to me was another chemo patient, nibbling a biscuit and drinking weak tea.

I hear the full English breakfast at the Dorchester is regal.

 

[pecksniff]

You can imagine the reaction of my fellow chemo patients.

The French have the right idea about breakfast: Coffee and croissants.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It's the same with the virus.

Weaksauce false equivalency, my "passable transvestite" amigo.

 

[oggbashan]

The French have the right idea about breakfast: Coffee and croissants.

But they stop work for hours to have a proper lunch. We English need stoking up before a quick bite at lunchtime.

 

[oggbashan]

I hear the full English breakfast at the Dorchester is regal.

The full English Breakfast is available almost anywhere but the size of the portions and the items included can vary. I like mine with black pudding.

My local supermarket cafe does a 'basic' breakfast, a 'Vegan' one, a 'Full English' and a 'large English'. You can add whatever you like to those such as extra eggs, sausages, beans... My wife usually has a salad.

I have a Full English about once a month, usually after a visit to the hospital, for some of which I have to starve beforehand. I don't do starving easily.

PS. One of the best I have had was at a now-closed roadside restaurant. They used to obtain their meat products from a local organic butcher, and other items from local farmers no more than five miles away. The quality was superb, as was the cooking done by extended members of the family that owned it. Unfortunately, it did not survive Covid lockdowns.

 

[BidudeinWi]

But they stop work for hours to have a proper lunch. We English need stoking up before a quick bite at lunchtime.

They “stop working?” Huh?

 

[BidudeinWi]

The full English Breakfast is available almost anywhere but the size of the portions and the items included can vary. I like mine with black pudding.

My local supermarket cafe does a 'basic' breakfast, a 'Vegan' one, a 'Full English' and a 'large English'. You can add whatever you like to those such as extra eggs, sausages, beans... My wife usually has a salad.

I have a Full English about once a month, usually after a visit to the hospital, for some of which I have to starve beforehand. I don't do starving easily.

PS. One of the best I have had was at a now-closed roadside restaurant. They used to obtain their meat products from a local organic butcher, and other items from local farmers no more than five miles away. The quality was superb, as was the cooking done by extended members of the family that owned it. Unfortunately, it did not survive Covid lockdowns.

I’m almost afraid to ask this but what is “ black pudding?”

 

[oggbashan]

They “stop working?” Huh?

I'm not convinced most of the French know how to work.

 

[oggbashan]

I’m almost afraid to ask this but what is “ black pudding?”

Black pudding is a distinct regional type of blood sausage originating in Great Britain and Ireland. It is made from pork or beef blood, with pork fat or beef suet, and a cereal,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pudding

I makes Vegans run away shrieking...

 

[BidudeinWi]

Black pudding is a distinct regional type of blood sausage originating in Great Britain and Ireland. It is made from pork or beef blood, with pork fat or beef suet, and a cereal,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pudding

I makes Vegans run away shrieking...

Doesn’t sound very good but if it make vegans shriek, might be worth tasting!

 

[oggbashan]

Doesn’t sound very good but if it make vegans shriek, might be worth tasting!

My youngest daughter and her husband are Vegans. They tolerate me.

But one of their vegan friends once asked me:

"Would you eat meat if you had to kill and butcher the animal yourself?"

They didn't like my reply:

"I can and have."

 

[JohnnySavage]

We ate blood sausage a lot when I was a kid. Some kind of blood... deer, beef or pig, mixed with oatmeal and put in a sausage casing.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Vegans...

They are even worse than the gluten-free crowd.

 

[oggbashan]

Vegans...

They are even worse than the gluten-free crowd.

I can understand gluten-free because some people are intolerant to gluten.

But Vegans? That's just a fad.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The full English Breakfast is available almost anywhere but the size of the portions and the items included can vary. I like mine with black pudding.

My local supermarket cafe does a 'basic' breakfast, a 'Vegan' one, a 'Full English' and a 'large English'. You can add whatever you like to those such as extra eggs, sausages, beans... My wife usually has a salad.

I have a Full English about once a month, usually after a visit to the hospital, for some of which I have to starve beforehand. I don't do starving easily.

Please explain the difference between a "Full English" breakfast and a "Large English" breakfast to us uncultured masses. Thx!

 

[oggbashan]

Please explain the difference between a "Full English" breakfast and a "Large English" breakfast to us uncultured masses. Thx!

A full English breakfast usually has: Sausages, bacon, egg, baked beans, tomato, mushrooms, hash browns, black pudding and toast and butter.

A large English could have more sausages, more bacon, several eggs etc.

A standard English breakfast could be made into a large one by adding extras. A 'Large English' is usually cheaper than buying the extras separately.

 

[phrodeau]

A full English breakfast usually has: Sausages, bacon, egg, baked beans, tomato, mushrooms, hash browns, black pudding and toast and butter.

A large English could have more sausages, more bacon, several eggs etc.

A standard English breakfast could be made into a large one by adding extras. A 'Large English' is usually cheaper than buying the extras separately.

Has inflation upped the price?

 

[oggbashan]

Has inflation upped the price?

Not yet. It will.

Outlets tend to compete on the price of their English Breakfasts. One might be a few pence lower than the establishment down the road. Locals and frequent visitors tend to know which is the best combination of price and what is offered. A saving of a few pence might not be worth it if the more expensive place offers more items.

One of our local supermarket cafes is the best combination of cost and value. But it is really a loss-leader. Other dishes are more expensive as are drinks such as coffee.

If my wife has a salad I will pay more for her salad than for my full English.