Who Is Jon Jacobs

[catalina_francisco]

OK, a discussion about Jon Jacobs.

According to JJ everyone involved in BDSM or D/s is interested in a power exchange of some sort. He did not believe in Slave Contracts or Safe words. He was strongly opposed to play parties, actually anyone who ever played at parties could not be into D/s or TPE.

One of my biggest points of disagreement with him was about this quote of his,” the public SM life style, with its IRC and news groups and play parties and support organizations, is actually a shallow and fantasy-based place whose members only imagine that they are engaging in SM in the deepest and most profound sense”.
To him there was no room for negotiation or other peoples beliefs, if you did not act or believe as he did than you were not into BDSM.

My biggest problem with Jon Jacobs were not his ideas, he had one particular hobby mentoring submissive women. He would starts mentoring a submissive woman, take absolute control of her life and would make it extremely difficult for her to find a partner who could measure up to his definition of what a dominant man was.

The story of Jon Jacobs is actually quite a tragic one, although I disagreed with him on many things he was not without talents. He represented a stream inside BDSM which certainly made some interesting observation. If only he would have been more open to discussion and other views, unfortunately for him he descended into bitterness, isolation and a series of abusive online relationships.


Francisco

 

[Marquis]

Usually if you become well known and respected, you do not feel a need to keep quiet about certain aspects, thoughts, motivations unless it is because there is something to hide.

I think this is rather patently untrue.

 

[rosco rathbone]

He did not believe in Slave Contracts or Safe words.

It's important to realize that this is only in the context of what he would have considered a real TPE exchange--in other words; once a sub has been paired with a Real Master, then all bets are off as far as safewords, etc. Most masters would have failed his test.

I think he identified a genuine craving on the part of many female submissives. He was the ultimate Big Daddy; and his doctrine freed females to act like children.

 

[Netzach]

It's important to realize that this is only in the context of what he would have considered a real TPE exchange--in other words; once a sub has been paired with a Real Master, then all bets are off as far as safewords, etc. Most masters would have failed his test.

I think he identified a genuine craving on the part of many female submissives. He was the ultimate Big Daddy; and his doctrine freed females to act like children.

You nailed it.

I would not last a second with a sub who wasn't a highly competent and efficient servant who could go above and beyond, think ahead, and be super useful, ie. NOT needy.

Therefore I'm not Dominant and my subs aren't subs by this logic.

 

[catalina_francisco]

It's important to realize that this is only in the context of what he would have considered a real TPE exchange--in other words; once a sub has been paired with a Real Master, then all bets are off as far as safewords, etc. Most masters would have failed his test.

I think he identified a genuine craving on the part of many female submissives. He was the ultimate Big Daddy; and his doctrine freed females to act like children.

But the thing was the world was filled according to him with needy submissive women, and there was only a handful of real true Masters. But he also did not believe in having more than one real submissive just a lot of women to mentor. So basically all submissive women had to be divided between him and a handful of other “true” Dominants.

But like I said he was a very articulate person, with a partner who was even more articulate, both of them were very gifted writers. And yes I could agree with him on some points.

It was because of Jon Jacobs that still to this day the TPE subculture in BDSM is still looked at with suspicion by other groups and he was responsible for creating a major rift in the TPE culture, splitting us up in several smaller groups.

Strangely enough Jon Jacobs who was a strong spokesman for TPE relationships is one of the most disliked persons in the TPE environment.

Francesco.

 

[rosco rathbone]

So basically all submissive women had to be divided between him and a handful of other “true” Dominants.

Exactly.

His schtick was the apotheosis of the oldest BDSM pickup of all---"stick with me, babe--I'll protect you from all those bad predatory fake doms".

 

[Quint]

I think her name comes from the Old English word for "vagina".

I'd smile, but I know your opinion of the man-devouring hole.

 

[Quint]

Quintessential pervert (holy shit, does Quint get her name from that word? Quint-essential, heh heh.).

Actually, that's exactly correct. I thought it was cute 4 years ago.

 

[Marquis]

Actually, that's exactly correct. I thought it was cute 4 years ago.