Who do you support in the 2008 US presidential election?
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Shankara20
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Mr. Obama.
and I agree - the HRC thread can end (more or less)
and I agree - the HRC thread can end (more or less)
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Loved your last post there!
Shankara20
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thanks - that idea hit me on the way to work as I was pondering the run-up to this week.
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Are these mutually exclusive?
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In principle democracy is a fine idea but the way its excersised in britain is pointless! Once every four years you can vote for a selfserving career politician who will forgett his/her promises as soon as elected. There is no party which represents the working/under class any more and that is dangerous and leads to the growth of right wing parties(bnp). I agree voting could be direct action, like in switzerland where they have referendums on everything. Do you think they would let us vote if it made any difference?
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Oh I don't disagree with the nature of politics and I think the flavor in the US isn't terribly different. We get the coke/pepsi challenge in a lot of ways. Hey, at least there's a mainstream labor movement in the UK. I'm just saying that participation in the process, while realizing it's not perfect, as well as doing things outside of it, is, IMO, the best option.
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Labour is dead! it's been taken over by lawyers and other parasites! The last time I cast a vote was in 97 to get rid of the conservatives but now it's almost as bad as Republican/democrat system in your neck in the woods. Bloody hell I'm a bundle of laughs today! Sorry I need another good riot like G8 to get it out of my system!
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My sympathies are very clear by now, I'm sure. At the start of the primary season I figured that Senator Clinton would win the nomination and I was ok with that. However, I'd heard and read a lot about Obama and have been a supporter since he first ran for the U. S. Senate.
Over the course of the campaign, though, I came to despise the Clintons and to admire Obama even more. Imagine how well-run his campaign staff must be that he made it to the top despite his race and in spite of being a first-time candidate. It's very, very rare for first timers to make it to the finish line. Even Reagan ran unsuccessfully against Jerry Ford in 1976 before taking the nomination four years later.
MSNBC had a very good hour-long bio piece on Obama last night. Watch for it if they do a re-run anytime soon.
With respect to the HRC thread, I may miss the give-and-take over foreign policy. Maybe that will migrate over here as well.
Over the course of the campaign, though, I came to despise the Clintons and to admire Obama even more. Imagine how well-run his campaign staff must be that he made it to the top despite his race and in spite of being a first-time candidate. It's very, very rare for first timers to make it to the finish line. Even Reagan ran unsuccessfully against Jerry Ford in 1976 before taking the nomination four years later.
MSNBC had a very good hour-long bio piece on Obama last night. Watch for it if they do a re-run anytime soon.
With respect to the HRC thread, I may miss the give-and-take over foreign policy. Maybe that will migrate over here as well.
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I think Obama will win the popular vote by 2 or 3 million. But the chess game of the electoral college might make things interesting. If McCain picks Huckabee I'm staying home.
I'm a big fan of divided government. I'd almost rather see Obama win and republicans take over congress. Rather than have McCain win and keep getting hammered in congress. McCain is libel to sign any bill they put before him.
I'm a big fan of divided government. I'd almost rather see Obama win and republicans take over congress. Rather than have McCain win and keep getting hammered in congress. McCain is libel to sign any bill they put before him.
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Obama is the first major party candidate I've been excited about in, um, forever.
LOL.
do you have a crush on Obama?
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U, not the way I think about crushes. I mean, I don't want to share an ice cream cone, meet in the middle of a strand of spaghetti or fuck em.
I might have what could be called a crush on what he could mean for our country though. So if I have a crush at all it's a political crush not a romantic one.
I like of wish he looked more like the first president in 24 and had as great a voice (him I'd take down in second providing he weren't also doing Jack Bauer [he'd need to be gagged and have a paper bag over his head, in fact, he might be more than a three bagger], but then again, a threesome . . .) but anyway, what REALLY matters is his vision and what he does with it. Well that and getting the republicans out of the white house.
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If I may ask, hopefully not in a challenging manner, why not vote?
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Yeah and that's how it will be when it is actually time for voting. *sigh*
Because it is just a wasted vote, and my time, if you vote for Obama in AL would be basically like writing Mickey Mouse on it.
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Honestly, in AL is all the same every day even in the local offices.
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That must be frustrating - voting and never being on the side that gets elected.
Well, if you ever want to feel like you have poked a stick at the powers that be, go vote and say to yourself "there you shits, not everyone is behind you"
I wish I could say more to encourage you to vote because I think it at least one think we can to in an attempt to get our voices heard - but I don't want to push you hard.
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There is no such thing as a wasted vote IMO. I have both the right and the responsibility to vote. If Obama doesn't win in my state, at least he'll have had one more vote from someone who actually THINKS.
If everyone who felt like their votes didn't matter voted, it might actually matter. Polls are not always accurate and sometimes beautiful things can happen.
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