White Girls Prefer Big Black Pudding

[DesEsseintes]

Why is "pudding" used for both a loose, soft dessert and that sausage-like disk? Terribly confusing, with high likelihood for disappointment if served the wrong one.

I think puddings were traditionally always savoury - steak and kidney pudding, and so on, and of course the original mincemeat. Then they started being made with dried fruit, but of course still with beef suet in the pastry - now it seems to be a catch-all term, at least in the UK, meaning any kind of dessert. Part of the Western journey towards added sweetness - see also muffins.

This food history lesson was brought to you by the letters D, U, L and L, and quite possibly by the phrase 'ill informed'.

 

[lovetoread]

Now explain why cookies are called biscuits and fries are called chips.

 

[pointless]

because everyone but us calls cookies biscuits. see biscotti. in other words, we're the weirdos.

 

[DesEsseintes]

because everyone but us calls cookies biscuits. see biscotti. in other words, we're the weirdos.

Thank you. From the French 'bis cuit', twice cooked.

 

[Sean]

Now explain why cookies are called biscuits and fries are called chips.

because everyone but us calls cookies biscuits. see biscotti. in other words, we're the weirdos.

Twice cooked. That's what it means.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Word Origin and History for cookie Expand
n.
1703, American English, from Dutch koekje "little cake," diminutive of koek "cake," from Middle Dutch koke (see cake (n.))


Word Origin and History for biscuit Expand
n.
respelled early 19c. from bisket (16c.), ultimately ( besquite, early 14c.) from Old French bescuit (12c.), literally "twice cooked;" altered under influence of cognate Old Italian biscotto, both from Medieval Latin biscoctum, from Latin (panis) bis coctus "(bread) twice-baked;" see bis- + cook (v.). U.S. sense of "soft bun" is recorded from 1818.

 

[pointless]

a refritos means well fried not fried again. language is fun.

 

[lovetoread]

Good gawd, I cannot believe you people thought I was serious.

Though I will admit to telling Sean on purpose that I wanted biscuits and gravy just to see his reaction.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Make your gravy out of scrapple and then you really have something good to eat.

 

[Pookie]

Good gawd, I cannot believe you people thought I was serious.

Though I will admit to telling Sean on purpose that I wanted biscuits and gravy just to see his reaction.

It's like my third nipple. Learn to live with it.

 

[pointless]

we have penises. we like trivial facts. you should know this by now. it's the only reason people bother caring about baseball.

 

[DesEsseintes]

I suppose the fries/chips thing comes from a different emphasis on what matters most. For us, perhaps, it is the shape of the potato - a chip shape. For you, what matters is that it is fried. But then, by that token, a great deal of food could be called 'fries'.

What about candy versus sweets?

 

[Mr Noone]

Now explain why cookies are called biscuits and fries are called chips.

But still nothing on the fries/chips front.

 

[pointless]

i actually think it has more to do with the amazing power of alliteration.

 

[Mr Noone]

I suppose the fries/chips thing comes from a different emphasis on what matters most. For us, perhaps, it is the shape of the potato - a chip shape. For you, what matters is that it is fried. But then, by that token, a great deal of food could be called 'fries'.

What about candy versus sweets?

I didn't see this before I posted.

"Fries" is actually short for French fries, and again refers to the shape of the potato: originally they were "frenched", that is julienned.

 

[DesEsseintes]

I didn't see this before I posted.

"Fries" is actually short for French fries, and again refers to the shape of the potato: originally they were "frenched", that is julienned.

I never knew that - thank you! And 'freedom fries'?

LTR, I am so sorry this has turned into a Geeky Amateur Male Etymologist Theory Exchange. For what it's worth, I prefer black pudding too.

 

[Mr Noone]

I never knew that - thank you! And 'freedom fries'?...

"Freedom fries" is the last refuge of scoundrels.

 

[DesEsseintes]

"Freedom fries" is the last refuge of scoundrels.

I suppose with so many definitions floating around, old Samuel J had to enter the conversation somehow.

 

[Mr Noone]

I suppose with so many definitions floating around, old Samuel J had to enter the conversation somehow.

It was inevitable. I'm surprised the Shavian quote about peoples divided by a common language hasn't popped up.

Until now.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Freedom fries is a political euphemism for French fries in the United States. The term came to prominence in 2003 when the then Republican Chairman of the Committee on House Administration, Bob Ney, renamed the menu item in three Congressional cafeterias in response to France's opposition to the proposed invasion of Iraq. Although originally supported with several restaurants changing their menus as well, the term fell out of use due to declining support for the Iraq War. Following Ney's resignation as Chairman, it was quietly reverted.

 

[DesEsseintes]

Freedom fries is a political euphemism for French fries in the United States. The term came to prominence in 2003 when the then Republican Chairman of the Committee on House Administration, Bob Ney, renamed the menu item in three Congressional cafeterias in response to France's opposition to the proposed invasion of Iraq. Although originally supported with several restaurants changing their menus as well, the term fell out of use due to declining support for the Iraq War. Following Ney's resignation as Chairman, it was quietly reverted.

Thank you, Mr Savage. Mr Ney sounds like an utter chump.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Thank you, Mr Savage. Mr Ney sounds like an utter chump.

That's a requirement to be elected to national office.

 

[Mr Noone]

Thank you, Mr Savage. Mr Ney sounds like an utter chump.

A chip chump.