Where were the protesters when Barry deported 3,000,000 illegals?

[water505]

There are only two explanations. Either they're ignorant or hypocrites. I'm guessing both.

Fucking phonies.

 

[BotanyBoy]

There are only two explanations. Either they're ignorant or hypocrites. I'm guessing both.

Fucking phonies.

As long as it's a (D) doing it anything goes!!!

(R)'s do the same shit.

I didn't hear anyone get pissed about POTUS elect swinging deals with Carrier, that socialism is ok OF COURSE!!

 

[phrodeau]

There are only two explanations. Either they're ignorant or hypocrites. I'm guessing both.

Fucking phonies.

You mean conservatives? I'd say that they were ignorant.

 

[phrodeau]

President Obama's admin did a fine job of protecting our borders and vetting our immigrants. President Trump would have done best to leave everything alone.

 

[Conager]

They were home quietly chortling to themselves because they understood that Obama did absolutely no such thing. Having a little conversation at the border and not letting somebody through is not deportation.

Those numbers included blocked shots and rebounds as scored points. A record-keeping obfuscation that occurred under no other Administration.

This is why there were no sad news stories about families being broken up and children separated from their parents. . .

. . . Because it never happened.

 

[KingOrfeo]

They were home quietly chortling to themselves because they understood that Obama did absolutely no such thing. Having a little conversation at the border and not letting somebody through is not deportation.

Those numbers included blocked shots and rebounds as scored points. A record-keeping obfuscation that occurred under no other Administration.

Cite?

 

[Conager]

Cite?

Hint:

You won't find the change in scorekeeping in Salon, you dumbfuck libtard. ~snarl~

 

[KingOrfeo]

Hint:

You won't find the change in scorekeeping in Salon, you dumbfuck libtard. ~snarl~

So, where will I find it? And please don't say Breitbart.

 

[Conager]

So, where will I find it? And please don't say Breitbart.

Try looking for quotes from actual border patrol officers rather than the Obama administration's flack.

Since you only read rags that were 100% in the tank for the past administration and in many cases caught directly colluding with the campaign for the administration that they unsuccessfully tried to foist upon America, how would you ever run into anything that refuted the spin put out by the least transparent administration, ever?

I'm guessing that you believe that the Administration that campaigned on being the most transparent Administration ever, actually fulfilled that campaign promise?

When a deliberately orchestrated falsehood fits your worldview and you seek no alternative voices how would you possibly have any idea where the truth lies?

If Obama had deported really any significant number of Mexican Nationals, why would there be the current furor over the possibility that Trump might do the same?

The rare actual deportation that occurred in the last 8 years was generally after a prison term was completed and the crime was egregious enough for the person to be handed over to ice and deported. But even those were rare.

Why on Earth would Obama wants to deport present and future voters that the DNC counts on? No one going door-to-door in Hispanic neighborhoods with voter registration forms is asking about anyone's immigration status while they are helping them fill them out in Spanish.

 

[phrodeau]

Try looking for quotes from actual border patrol officers rather than the Obama administration's flack.

Since you only read rags that were 100% in the tank for the past administration and in many cases caught directly colluding with the campaign for the administration that they unsuccessfully tried to foist upon America, how would you ever run into anything that refuted the spin put out by the least transparent administration, ever?

I'm guessing that you believe that the Administration that campaigned on being the most transparent Administration ever, actually fulfilled that campaign promise?

When a deliberately orchestrated falsehood fits your worldview and you seek no alternative voices how would you possibly have any idea where the truth lies?

If Obama had deported really any significant number of Mexican Nationals, why would there be the current furor over the possibility that Trump might do the same?

The rare actual deportation that occurred in the last 8 years was generally after a prison term was completed and the crime was egregious enough for the person to be handed over to ice and deported. But even those were rare.

Why on Earth would Obama wants to deport present and future voters that the DNC counts on? No one going door-to-door in Hispanic neighborhoods with voter registration forms is asking about anyone's immigration status while they are helping them fill them out in Spanish.

Polling places are supervised by both parties, even in Hispanic neighborhoods. If there's voting fraud, it's the fault of both teams of poll watchers.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Try looking for quotes from actual border patrol officers rather than the Obama administration's flack.

What would they know about the stats? Beat cops don't compile crime stats, suits do that.

I'm guessing that you believe that the Administration that campaigned on being the most transparent Administration ever, actually fulfilled that campaign promise?

Definitely not, it's one of my main points of dissatisfaction with it. Obama should've pardoned Snowden, and given him the Medal of Freedom too. OTOH, I know of no clear instances of dishonesty as distinct from secrecy.

 

[phrodeau]

What would they know about the stats? Beat cops don't compile crime stats, suits do that.



Definitely not, it's one of my main points of dissatisfaction with it. Obama should've pardoned Snowden, and given him the Medal of Freedom too. OTOH, I know of no clear instances of dishonesty as distinct from secrecy.

Trump can pardon Snowden today, if he wanted.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Trump can pardon Snowden today, if he wanted.

Quite a big if.

 

[Conager]

A gaffe is sometimes defined as a politco slipping put an awkward truth.

How abput some spin-free Presidential truthiness?

“The statistics are actually a little deceptive because what we’ve been doing is, with the stronger border enforcement, we’ve been apprehending folks at the borders and sending them back. That is counted as a deportation, even though they may have only been held for a day or 48 hours, sent back – that’s counted as a deportation.” -Barack Hussein Obama at an October 2011 roundtable with Hispanic reporters.

That goes to directly to the accounting discrepancy that I was pointing out.

The Obama administration was also caught by The Washington Post in a series of emails artificially inflating their numbers by offering incentives plane tickets and bus fare for Mexican Nationals who wished to return home with no blemish on their record meaning they can return it anytime this is the famed catch-and-release program. They spent 15 million dollars in 2010 on this program alone specifically with the stated intention of reaching preselected "deportation" number goals. they were asking Mexican nationals to volunteer to go home and left them without the otherwise 5 or 10 year ban on re-entry.

There is a big difference between catching an illegal alien who is residing somewhere in the interior of the country with a place to stay, probably a job, and often government benefits as opposed to people that border patrol caught at the border and sent back. Those are not deportations.

In the past, border patrol had a seperate talley distinct from ICE. It is awkward to pull the quotes using my phone but this article has quotes from the head of the Department of Homeland Security to that effect.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/12/deportations-come-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/

Now it is incumbant upon you to admit for a change that your understanding about what was done under the Obama Administration was incorrect. Be a man for a change and do so please.

I provided direct citations from the president of the United States and his head of Homeland Security and I fully expect that you're going to rapidly Google for confirmation bias find some bullshit article from Slate parroting some Obama flack and claim victory. Which is why I generally when you ~snarl~ liberal pukes demand citations, I tell you to fuck off.

 

[Conager]

Polling places are supervised by both parties, even in Hispanic neighborhoods. If there's voting fraud, it's the fault of both teams of poll watchers.

Really? After a voter registration form is mailed in and a voter is added to the voter rolls, what step in that process involves checking for citizenship status? When a thus registered voter shows up at the polls, what makes you think that it would be in any way permissible to the then inquire as to the registered voters immigration status?

...and what does poll watchers have to do with how absentee ballots are routinely collected and brought down by paid Democratic operatives as many as 250 at a time from largely Hispanic neighborhoods?

Just keep claiming there is none of this gping on because the Democrats that run all the major population centers ensure there are NO controls to prevent it.

As you now control only SIX states, be prepared to scream "VOTER SUPPRESSION!!!" when Republican-held legislatures tighten controls and actually verify and purge voter rolls.

 

[phrodeau]

Really? After a voter registration form is mailed in and a voter is added to the voter rolls, what step in that process involves checking for citizenship status? When a thus registered voter shows up at the polls, what makes you think that it would be in any way permissible to the then inquire as to the registered voters immigration status?

...and what does poll watchers have to do with how absentee ballots are routinely collected and brought down by paid Democratic operatives as many as 250 at a time from largely Hispanic neighborhoods?

Just keep claiming there is none of this gping on because the Democrats that run all the major population centers ensure there are NO controls to prevent it.

As you now control only SIX states, be prepared to scream "VOTER SUPPRESSION!!!" when Republican-held legislatures tighten controls and actually verify and purge voter rolls.

Poll watchers are people from the same places as the voters. If they can't be bothered to know who in their neighborhood is illegal or not, they shouldn't be doing the job in the first place.

Democratic operatives collecting absentee ballots? How about Republican operatives? Are they just sitting on their asses nibbling their nails in fear of voter fraud?

 

[Conager]

Poll watchers are people from the same places as the voters. If they can't be bothered to know who in their neighborhood is illegal or not, they shouldn't be doing the job in the first place.

Democratic operatives collecting absentee ballots? How about Republican operatives? Are they just sitting on their asses nibbling their nails in fear of voter fraud?

I actually have participated in handing out voter registration forms and even gone so far as to collect them and mail them in at my own expense from people that I assume are likely Republican voters. I don't ask them about their politics specifically when doing so. I certainly didn't offer to stop by and "help them fill out" the absentee ballot when it comes. Republican voters tend to not need that kind of assistance...in any language. I would imagine they would be offended if you offered.

As far as knowing tge voters, guess what? That's very true in small towns. Where everyone knows each other. And we're voter fraud is rare and where Republicans just coincidentally control the map.

So Republican poll watcher in the middle of Toledo Ohio knows who is and is not a convicted felon? A poll watcher in the middle of East LA knows who is and is not an undocumented voter? Really?

You completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of voter fraud committed by Democrat operatives is done through absentee ballots. Nobody from the other side sees who it was that receive that ballot or who sent it back. Democrats always do better in absentee ballots. Why is that? Because all of those unsophisticated voters that they're canvassing and going out to help fill out ballots are so sophisticated that they be sure to get those in early and often? "Get out the vote" for Democrats involves spreading walking around money out.

I don't necessarily begrudge the fact that Democrats cheat when they get away with it if they get away with it it's because Republicans haven't had the backbone to absolutely demand voter ID and cradle-to-poll documentation before you become a voter.

People like yourself pretending something that there is no way to defend against doesn't happen when you absolutely count on it happening is what I find offensive.

 

[Conager]

Repeat after m3:

"Republcans are SUPPRESSING the votes of our undocumented voters."

You will be needing that phrase with an Justice Department head who reveres the law.

Also:

"Trump is deporting our undocumented voters and that just is not fair!!"

How about, "The undocumented are important "citizens" of our vibrant communities and MUST be allowed to have their voices heard!"

I actually agree with the last one. In my little Community I suspect that undocumented residents probably are somewhere in the neighborhood of about a third of the population. I see no reason why they can't vote and even hold office on our local little city council. They just shouldn't have any say in National politics.

If Democrats in sanctuary cities were actually serious about including illegal hispanics in their communities but not using them to simply pad the vote they would have established two different classes of voters and different ballots. Constitutionally they would be on reasonable grounds.

 

[Conager]

Poll watchers are people from the same places as the voters. If they can't be bothered to know who in their neighborhood is illegal or not, they shouldn't be doing the job in the first place.

Democratic operatives collecting absentee ballots? How about Republican operatives? Are they just sitting on their asses nibbling their nails in fear of voter fraud?

Question:

You are then open to the idea that poll watchers can and should challenge the eligibility of registered voters at the polls?

Awsome. Have your congressman write up a bill. Lets get this started.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Repeat after m3:

"Republcans are SUPPRESSING the votes of our undocumented voters."

No, they're not. Republicans are suppressing the votes of American citizens too poor or old to provide ID.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Question:

You are then open to the idea that poll watchers can and should challenge the eligibility of registered voters at the polls?

They can do that now. No legislation is necessary.

 

[Conager]

No, they're not. Republicans are suppressing the votes of American citizens too poor or old to provide ID.

No one is too old or too poor to provide ID. No ID is required to purchase a stamp to send in your absentee ballot which is more convenient for the old and the poor in any case.

Still going to hide from the last citation you will ever get from me, you disingenuous, ill informed, partisan hack?

 

[Conager]

They can do that now. No legislation is necessary.

Only if the are club-wielding members of the Black Panthers under a Holder Justice Department. I doubt a Sessions DOJ will be as open minded about anything that smacks of voter intimidation.

 

[phrodeau]

Only if the are club-wielding members of the Black Panthers under a Holder Justice Department. I doubt a Sessions DOJ will be as open minded about anything that smacks of voter intimidation.

There are people in the polling places whose job it is to monitor the voters. Some of them even have clubs.

Here's a clue for you: people in big cities also know who their neighbors are, and if they don't, they know somebody who knows who their neighbors are.

Here's another clue: a voter registration card does not guarantee registration. Each applicant gets certified by someone to make sure they're eligible. Very few fall through the cracks.

Here's a further clue: absentee ballots are only collected from registered voters.

For the level of fraud you seem to think exists, there would have to be hundreds of thousands of documents supporting the claim. Piles of ballots from addresses where known illegals live, or pages of checked-off election forms with names of known illegals on them.

 

[GiaCat]

Damn that Barry Manilow