Where is the line drawn?

[Randomcarrot]

First of all I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask these questions, but after having checked most of the forums, and the submission FAQ's I came up short on a few questions.

When writing a story, where is the line drawn in reference to people under 18 being naked? Are you allowed to state they are naked, but not do descriptions?
Can you make broad descriptions without mentioning breasts or genitals?
How far can teasing go?

More than that, if a character has had sex before they were 18 how far in telling about it can you go? Is the line drawn at the character telling they had sex with someone, or can they describe it?


And most important to one of my ideas for a story, where is the line drawn in almost sex.
Like if a little sister realizes she is attracted to her older brother (or daughter to dad) and tries to initiate sex while they are sleeping, where is the point where the story would be illegal? Can the character above 18 be naked, but the character under 18 not be? Can they touch each other, or maybe the character under 18 can touch the older one, but not the other way around? And if so, where is the line drawn there?

 

[sr71plt]

I'll just note that you can pitch the word "illegal." None of this is illegal in writing. The laws are for the doing. You'll find all of this in mainstream writing.

 

[oggbashan]

First of all I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask these questions, but after having checked most of the forums, and the submission FAQ's I came up short on a few questions.

When writing a story, where is the line drawn in reference to people under 18 being naked? Are you allowed to state they are naked, but not do descriptions?
Can you make broad descriptions without mentioning breasts or genitals?
How far can teasing go?

More than that, if a character has had sex before they were 18 how far in telling about it can you go? Is the line drawn at the character telling they had sex with someone, or can they describe it?


And most important to one of my ideas for a story, where is the line drawn in almost sex.
Like if a little sister realizes she is attracted to her older brother (or daughter to dad) and tries to initiate sex while they are sleeping, where is the point where the story would be illegal? Can the character above 18 be naked, but the character under 18 not be? Can they touch each other, or maybe the character under 18 can touch the older one, but not the other way around? And if so, where is the line drawn there?

The no-sex under the age of 18 is a Literotica rule, not the law.

No description of sexual acts or thoughts are allowed before the 18th birthday when all people become suddenly very experienced sexual athletes within minutes.

Nothing ever happens before 18. If it does your story won't get posted here.

 

[Randomcarrot]

Oh well. Guess I have to sacrifice realism for a story, it just always feels so jarring that characters cant be sexual at all before 18.

 

[lovecraft68]

First of all I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask these questions, but after having checked most of the forums, and the submission FAQ's I came up short on a few questions.

When writing a story, where is the line drawn in reference to people under 18 being naked? Are you allowed to state they are naked, but not do descriptions?
Can you make broad descriptions without mentioning breasts or genitals?
How far can teasing go?

More than that, if a character has had sex before they were 18 how far in telling about it can you go? Is the line drawn at the character telling they had sex with someone, or can they describe it?


And most important to one of my ideas for a story, where is the line drawn in almost sex.
Like if a little sister realizes she is attracted to her older brother (or daughter to dad) and tries to initiate sex while they are sleeping, where is the point where the story would be illegal? Can the character above 18 be naked, but the character under 18 not be? Can they touch each other, or maybe the character under 18 can touch the older one, but not the other way around? And if so, where is the line drawn there?

everything you are asking will be booted. Under 18 here cannot even say the word sex.

Take it to another site where the age allowed is 16 and you can have an 18 do whatever you want them to.

 

[sr71plt]

There you go, Randomcarrot. You've given about the best definition that can be given in general of where the line is for under 18s on Literotica. If it's in any way sexual/sensual/arousing, it doesn't fly. If there is touching or looking or description of what happened with an under 18 that you mean to be sensual or sexual, it's not allowed here. If you were writing it with any intent to make under 18 arousing then it's over the edge for Literotica. If you simply mention in passing that something sexual had happened to them when they were younger--for instance to explain why a woman left home at 17--then, depending on the context, it might be OK.

The bottom line for yourself as the author is, if it's happening to a character who you think has to be under 18, ask yourself, honestly, why the character has to be under 18. Most of the time you'll come up with your own answer on why the particular use won't fly on Literotica. It's because you want to play to the readers wanting to read underage sex.

 

[slyc_willie]

Oh well. Guess I have to sacrifice realism for a story, it just always feels so jarring that characters cant be sexual at all before 18.

That's not what's being said. Depending on how it's worded, it can have happened in the past. It just can't be explicitly detailed. There seems to be this ridiculous notion that characters in Lit stories must be explicitly considered virgins until their 18th birthday. Just because it is not described does not mean it didn't happen.

Describing nudity of a character that is under eighteen in a Lit story is a grey area. I've seen it done, but without explicit erotic content (such as a character being at a nude beach where there are families walking around in the buff). If there is a sexual situation involved, however, by Lit's standards everyone must be 18+ This would, I think, include any references to "developing genitals" or the like. Besides, would it really be necessary to do so?

But if titillating your readers with stories of little underaged Suzie blowing her brother is what you're after, Literotica is not the site for you.

 

[PennLady]

Oh well. Guess I have to sacrifice realism for a story, it just always feels so jarring that characters cant be sexual at all before 18.

No one said they can't be sexual. You can have a line like "He lost his virginity in high school." Or maybe a character saying they've been sexually active for X years, or something like that. It has to be somewhat vague; you just can't go into graphic description.

 

[Bramblethorn]

That's not what's being said. Depending on how it's worded, it can have happened in the past. It just can't be explicitly detailed. There seems to be this ridiculous notion that characters in Lit stories must be explicitly considered virgins until their 18th birthday. Just because it is not described does not mean it didn't happen.

+1. I mentioned that one character was "an adventurous young lady" and got pregnant at 15, and that went through without a hitch. You just can't eroticise it.

 

[sr71plt]

There you go. Unfortunately, some regular posters, no doubt having a topic come up again that they can't do a damn thing about, get satirical, as Ogg did above, and the context is lost that it isn't a blanket ban on all mentions of sexual experience before 18. It's prurient treatment, and there aren't many authors working that edge that don't know what their intent is.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Here's the first paragraph of one of mine...

It was on my twelfth birthday I noticed her as an individual. Up until that time, she had been part of the group known as relatives. It's the time in a boy's life when girls were no longer yucky. They start to be more than just a person who is not a boy. I also remember noticing my buddy's older sisters around the neighborhood. Especially, when they would lie out in their bikinis, bikini's, which are considered scandalous at the time, yet cover three times as much as the 'bikinis' of today.

I put a note in the submission notes section that sex didn't take place until he was 18 somewhere around the 25 paragraph.

 

[Handley_Page]

Oh well. Guess I have to sacrifice realism for a story, it just always feels so jarring that characters cant be sexual at all before 18.

The Lit server is in the USA, and the Federal Govt seems to have some very strict (some might say strange) laws about sexual doings. In order that the proprietors don't get hauled off to the chokey every time some prat cannot get it right, there is this flat line law.
No sex before 18.
After that they can fuck like the proverbial bunny, but before that time - forget it

 

[Randomcarrot]

Thanks for all the replies guys, most of the things I was asking about was mostly to be used as memories/background info for characters, and not stuff that is happening in the present (and wouldnt be the main part of the story).

I guess I will try and write what I had in mind and talk with an editor or two about what they think.

 

[oggbashan]

I live in the UK where the age of consent, and of marriage with parental consent, is 16.

I could write and post a story in which the characters were engaging in sexual activity on their 16th birthday, and legally post it on a UK site.

But I can't and wouldn't post it on Literotica because the owners' rule is no sexual description before 18.

The original post was asking about how far a story could go about sexual description before 18 on Literotica. The answer is clear. You can say it happened but you must NOT describe it in any way.

There are a few stories in Literotica that mention sex before the age of 18 but they have to be very carefully worded.

There are a few stories that break that rule. If you find one, please use the report function to protect this site for all of us.

There are other sites that allow sex at a younger age, and have readers and/or followers that like those stories. But how long those sites can continue to exist if their servers are in the US (or UK) is doubtful.

This week the UK government has hinted that it might require any erotic sites to set up barriers that ensure that any users PROVE they are 18 or older before access is allowed. I doubt whether that will be a really effective barrier because we can access sites hosted outside the UK, but it is an indication of the way governments are thinking.

Anything that makes Literotica more of a target for restrictions would be unfortunate.

Please - just DON'T even think about breaking the 18 rule.

 

[patientlee]

The line is drawn at 18. Realism is less important than having your story rejected for not following the rules.

 

[Saxon_Hart]

Oh well. Guess I have to sacrifice realism for a story, it just always feels so jarring that characters cant be sexual at all before 18.

One of the facts of life if you are gonna post on Lit. Look at the incest section at how many 18 year old siblings are waiting for mom and dad to go to the store/movies/gramma's house so they can debauch. It is what it is, if you want to write kiddies doing the deed, you just can't post it on here.

 

[loquere]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYkuJb40J0

 

[loquere]

First of all I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask these questions, but after having checked most of the forums, and the submission FAQ's I came up short on a few questions.

When writing a story, where is the line drawn in reference to people under 18 being naked? Are you allowed to state they are naked, but not do descriptions?
Can you make broad descriptions without mentioning breasts or genitals?
How far can teasing go?

More than that, if a character has had sex before they were 18 how far in telling about it can you go? Is the line drawn at the character telling they had sex with someone, or can they describe it?


And most important to one of my ideas for a story, where is the line drawn in almost sex.
Like if a little sister realizes she is attracted to her older brother (or daughter to dad) and tries to initiate sex while they are sleeping, where is the point where the story would be illegal? Can the character above 18 be naked, but the character under 18 not be? Can they touch each other, or maybe the character under 18 can touch the older one, but not the other way around? And if so, where is the line drawn there?

The rule is simple, but your making it complex.
No sexual acts with any person under 18 years old.
Hiding it behind a veil won't help.

 

[Hypoxia]

No sexual activity may be *depicted* on LIT involving *humans* under the age of 18 *earth years*. Nor may humans be depicted having sex with *actual* animals. Nonhuman persons and fantasy/SF animals are fair game. So your young elves may fuck unicorns (or each other) all they wish.

I'm half-done writing a tale of underage siblings struck by a thunderbolt and transformed into banana slugs. Slugs are simultaneous hermaphrodites. They 69 for double-fucks, impregnating each other. I expect no trouble with approval. Might not get many ☼☼☼☼☼ votes, though.

You've already received the other answer. Underage or bestial sex may not be *depicted* but it can be referred to. "I first got laid when I was 16," will fly. "He shoved his 15-year-old cock into my hot jailbait pussy," won't. Neither will, "I saw her/him naked when we 15 and I masturbated furiously."

 

[PervOtaku]

I have future plans for a story involving high school students as the main characters. In my head, the female protagonist is older than the male protagonist, but I realized that doing so would get me into trouble here at Literotica (Even if she's 18, that makes him...). Upon further consideration however, I realized that their exact ages aren't really relevant to the story. If I mentioned their ages at all it would be only for the sake of doing so. Beyond that, all I have to do is specifically avoid mentioning that they are or aren't in any classes together (also largely irrelevant to the story) and pretty much the readers can just decide for themselves what age each character is.

I figure that for Literotica I'll have to include the "all characters are 18" disclaimer that I've seen at the top of several stories here. I think we all know there's an implied wink wink, nudge nudge there. I once bought a porn story paperback in which where ever the age of "eighteen" was mentioned for a teenage character, it looked out of place, like a different typeface or not quite in line with the rest of the text. It was clearly a literal cut and paste job.

 

[slyc_willie]

I have future plans for a story involving high school students as the main characters. In my head, the female protagonist is older than the male protagonist, but I realized that doing so would get me into trouble here at Literotica (Even if she's 18, that makes him...). Upon further consideration however, I realized that their exact ages aren't really relevant to the story. If I mentioned their ages at all it would be only for the sake of doing so. Beyond that, all I have to do is specifically avoid mentioning that they are or aren't in any classes together (also largely irrelevant to the story) and pretty much the readers can just decide for themselves what age each character is.

I figure that for Literotica I'll have to include the "all characters are 18" disclaimer that I've seen at the top of several stories here. I think we all know there's an implied wink wink, nudge nudge there. I once bought a porn story paperback in which where ever the age of "eighteen" was mentioned for a teenage character, it looked out of place, like a different typeface or not quite in line with the rest of the text. It was clearly a literal cut and paste job.

In a case such as this, not only the age -- whether implied or explicit -- but the narration and dialogue could raise a red flag. If you state that all characters are over eighteen, then go on to describe them like giggling school girls who have never seen a "weinie" before, it could still get the story rejected.

But why write a story in the first place in which you give a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" to the readers, as if you want to encourage them to think the characters are underage? Lit goes a long way to discourage stories that would appeal to pedofiles.

 

[sr71plt]

You'd also have to conveniently not mention they were in high school, Perv.

 

[PennLady]

I figure that for Literotica I'll have to include the "all characters are 18" disclaimer that I've seen at the top of several stories here. I think we all know there's an implied wink wink, nudge nudge there. I once bought a porn story paperback in which where ever the age of "eighteen" was mentioned for a teenage character, it looked out of place, like a different typeface or not quite in line with the rest of the text. It was clearly a literal cut and paste job.

Why would you go to this trouble to get around the rule? Either make them under 18 and post it on another site, or make them over 18. If you're only mentioning the age "for the sake of it," then it seems like you're really trying to lure those who get off on underage kids having sex.

Please, just don't do that here. Lit doesn't have that many rules. Do you really have to go this effort to get around one of the few they have?

 

[StrangeLife]

I do have this great story idea about an entire kindergarden getting it on with a puppy......but I guess I will probably have to convert it to a retirement home sexing it up with a centaur. Bummer.

 

[tw_holt]

What if a character is 17 and hears noises in another room of two older people supposedly having sex.