When was sex invented?

[oggbashan]

I have posted a public comment about a comment from Boxlicker101 on my story Squirrel Valentine.

It is an easy way to reply because he is not likely to go back to 4 Lit pages of story to read my response.

He didn't think that women in the 1950s were as sexual as I portrayed them. He thinks that they were much more inhibited.

I disagree. I was there (with older male relatives to watch). So was Kinsey. They were slightly more inhibited than the 1940s and the 1960s. I was there for the 1960s and sexually active being over the minimum Lit age. The 1990s and the 00s are more inhibited than the 1960s because of AIDS and STDs.

Every generation thinks it invented sex and that their parents and grandparents didn't do what they do now. Sorry kids. They did. The 1950s had to use less effective methods of contraception than The Pill but use them they did - in vast quantities.

Dr Marie Stopes introduced scientific methods of contraception to the UK in the 1920s. During the 1914-18 war births outside wedlock rocketed. When a soldier was on leave he didn't have time for much more than "Wham, Bang, Thank You, Ma'am".

Locally, the outside wall of a bakery was a favourite assignation place for couples. She could lean against a warm wall while they did it (during 1914-18 and 1939-45). The wall ceased to be attractive when they stopped baking in 1975.

In Victorian London the ratio of prostitutes to adult males was very high. Some statistics suggest that prostitutes outnumbered female domestic staff (but there might have been some double-counting!).

In rural England up to the early twentieth century, pregnancy was the usual precursor of marriage. Up to the beginning of the nineteenth century, marriage was the 'posh' thing to do. Most people in rural communities didn't bother unless the parish priest insisted.

Some sexual practices were less savoury in earlier times. When people took a bath once a year, if then, would you do oral? Or have a foot fetish when shoes were rare and animal dung was everywhere?

Read what the Romans did. Or some of the things mentioned in the Old Testament. The Kama Sutra and similar books have been around a long time.

So, when do you think sex was invented? It was long before King Og ruled.

Og

 

[shereads]

If you define sex as "fun with reproductive organs," it was invented by an ancestor of the modern rhesus monkey.

Great sex was invented on October 17, 2003.

 

[CharleyH]

hahah - laughed, and agreed. My Gran only got married in the 40's because it was a gentlemanely thing for my grandfather to do: marry her. My Mom only got married in the 60's because, well because she was pregnant with me, but wanted to 'get' outta the house with a wild boy . . . me . . . the eighties were a free for all. Now? Is there such a thing as a one night stand anymore?

Agree, agree, agree with a very big smile!

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I can only speak of sexual behavior in my own adult lifetime, of course, but one thing that definitely has changed is the freedom with which sex is discussed in all levels of society. As far as I can tell, it just wasn't discussed prior to the end of the '60's, at least not in mixed company.

I think practices have changed too. When I was coming up, oral sex was a much bigger deal than genital sex. Now it’s almost a required form of foreplay. Anal sex was just unheard of except for gay males, and I can remember when the anal sex revolution occurred in adult videos. Can’t really place a date on it, but one day no one was doing it, and then overnight everyone was. Sometime in the mid 80’s I would guess.

---dr.M.

 

[shereads]

Aural sex is the next hot thing.

 

[MathGirl]

Aural sex is the next hot thing.

Hear, hear.
MG

 

[Guest]

I just want to point out that, as far as I know everyone above is 'white', and American but for Ogg. I remember sex talk (lots of jokes and innuendo) from growing up within a Mexican family and later knowing mostly 'black girls'. "We" were seen as immoral an less than normal because we had a healthy attitude toward sex (even in mixed company). I was born in '46 so I'm talking the 50s for a girl and the 60s as a teen.

I just know sex wasn't invented in the U.S.

Perdita

 

[SeaCat]

ROTFLMAO

Sex for fun has been around as long as humans have been around. (Longer if you count Monkeys, etc.) It was only with the birth of modern religeon (Christianity,)that it became taboo. It is also only fairly recently that there was a viable method of contraception. Until contraception the results of a fun night were common.
Unfortunatley with the coming of Christianity sex lost much of it's innocent apeal and became soething to be ashamed of. It's only recently that humans have again broken away from the strictures of the religeon and have started enjoying sex for what it is. Something to be enjoyed. Unfortunately as we started relearning to enjoy it along came this wonderful disease which the Christian Leaders latched onto as a punishment from God. (I still hear that even in the Hospital where I work.) If they ever find a cure for AIDs then look out. It will make the sixties look like a Sunday School Picnic.
(Oops, did I climb onto my soapbox again? Sorry.)

Cat

 

[shereads]

I just know sex wasn't invented in the U.S.

No, but I think we invented sexual guilt (or at least perfected it) and without guilt, we wouldn't have the concept of naughtiness.

 

[champagne1982]

No, but I think we invented sexual guilt (or at least perfected it) and without guilt, we wouldn't have the concept of naughtiness.

Puritans.

 

[Icingsugar]

Didn't Al Gore invent that too?

*ducks, runs like hell*

 

[Sarastro]

>"If they ever find a cure for AIDs then look out. It will make the sixties look like a Sunday School Picnic."

SeaCat, with your permission I'll add this line to my signature (with credit, of course)!

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have posted a public comment about a comment from Boxlicker101 on my story Squirrel Valentine.

It is an easy way to reply because he is not likely to go back to 4 Lit pages of story to read my response.

He didn't think that women in the 1950s were as sexual as I portrayed them. He thinks that they were much more inhibited.

I disagree. I was there (with older male relatives to watch). So was Kinsey. They were slightly more inhibited than the 1940s and the 1960s. I was there for the 1960s and sexually active being over the minimum Lit age. The 1990s and the 00s are more inhibited than the 1960s because of AIDS and STDs.

Every generation thinks it invented sex and that their parents and grandparents didn't do what they do now. Sorry kids. They did. The 1950s had to use less effective methods of contraception than The Pill but use them they did - in vast quantities.

Dr Marie Stopes introduced scientific methods of contraception to the UK in the 1920s. During the 1914-18 war births outside wedlock rocketed. When a soldier was on leave he didn't have time for much more than "Wham, Bang, Thank You, Ma'am".

Locally, the outside wall of a bakery was a favourite assignation place for couples. She could lean against a warm wall while they did it (during 1914-18 and 1939-45). The wall ceased to be attractive when they stopped baking in 1975.

In Victorian London the ratio of prostitutes to adult males was very high. Some statistics suggest that prostitutes outnumbered female domestic staff (but there might have been some double-counting!).

In rural England up to the early twentieth century, pregnancy was the usual precursor of marriage. Up to the beginning of the nineteenth century, marriage was the 'posh' thing to do. Most people in rural communities didn't bother unless the parish priest insisted.

Some sexual practices were less savoury in earlier times. When people took a bath once a year, if then, would you do oral? Or have a foot fetish when shoes were rare and animal dung was everywhere?

Read what the Romans did. Or some of the things mentioned in the Old Testament. The Kama Sutra and similar books have been around a long time.

So, when do you think sex was invented? It was long before King Og ruled.

Og

Hi, Og.
I don't have to plow through four pages of Lit., I just have to go to the last page and then to public comments.

I will have to admit that I was wrong about the date of the story. I said it was 1956 but that was a leap year and women sent valentines on leap years, but they didn't in the story. It had to have been 1957, then. As for 1955, I remember "Rock Around the Clock", which was the theme song in the movie "Blackboard Jungle", was popular in early 1955. You say it charted in Jan, and I won't dispute that. However, I can't believe a stodgy band like you describe would have it in their repertoire on Valentines Day of that year. I want to add, by the way, that these are things I REMEMBER, not things that I have read about. You imply that I am of a younger generation than you but, according to your bio, you are between 51 and 60. I am 64. That's not bragging, that is just a statement of fact, and it is no secret because it is indicated in my bio.

Condoms were widely available in the fifties and all my teenage buddies carried them in their wallets. Not that we ever expected to use them; it was more a badge than anything else, but there was always that possibility. In some ways they are better than the pill. When used properly they were almost as effective and there were no side effects.

I have to concede that I am basing my opinions on my own experiences in the US but I don't think they were all that much different from attitudes in the UK. I am also not referring to rural England or Victorian England or England during the world wars. I am not referring to lower class women or upper class women, I am referring to three female white collar workers, whether 1955 or 1957. (We know it wasn't 1956.) I still say that virginal Mary would not have come on so strongly to a man she only knew as a coworker and she and the others would not have paraded around semi-naked in front of the coworker, nor draped themselves over him. I also say that Mary would not have had sex with him in front of the other women and the other women would not have piled, almost naked, into bed with the couple the next morning. In the eighties, maybe, but not in the mid-fifties.

I also think that Janice, knowing about Harry's infatuation, would have married him, and they probably would have gotten along allright, since he was so accommodating.

 

[Uther_Pendragon]

When sex was invented was long before humans came along.
Premarital sex, on the other hand, had to wait for the
invention of marriage. Somebody mentioned anal sex. A
poem attributed to Byron, and certainly contemporary with
him, claimed that Roman brides begged their grooms to
use the back entrance on their wedding nights to spare
them the pain of defloration. Unlikely on several grounds,
but shows that anal, heterosexual, intercourse was not
unthinkable before 1980.
Ernie Pyle, who--much later--got famous for his coverage of
WWII, married sometime in the '20s to please his and his
wife's parents. But they didn't tell their friends --
they were living in another city than the one in which
they had grown up -- to be stylish, they pretended that
they were just living together.

 

[Gary Chambers]

I agree with those who say sex was invented long before the dawn of recorded history. The very first human beings obviously had sex or we wouldn't be here. Once they had it they would obviously have enjoyed it and wanted more. I think every generation has an equal desire for sex, but some like the present generation are hampered by social, cultural or natural influences such as political brainwashing, religious tyranny, economic factors or the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

I do believe sex was reinvented in the 1500's or 1600's when the Puritans began spouting their evil drivel. They did it first in Europe where their thinking was rejected and they were branded as a criminal class, but then they escaped to the New World where they ran riot and ultimately became symbols of what many North Americans call freedom (hang a Puritan's bones from a lampost next Thanksgiving). The wisest of their descendants now try to avoid recognising their Puritan ancestors, while others ever mindfull of the fact their forebearer's reinvented sex, spend vast sums promoting marriage.

 

[oggbashan]

Chalk and Cheese

I think Boxlicker101 and I are talking about totally different things.

I wrote about my knowledge of the UK in the 1950s. He is writing about the US in the 1950s. The culture and recent history of both countries was different.

In the UK women had been sexually liberated (even if they didn't shout about it) since the 1920s. Some would say the 1890s. Homosexuality was illegal but not uncommon. Oscar Wilde's mistake was not to be a homosexual but to go to court claiming he wasn't. Lesbianism was tolerated and not illegal supposedly because when asked to sign an Act of Parliament banning sexual practices between women, Queen Victoria said "I don't believe women do such things." She might have had her tongue in her cheek but the Act did not become law.

The effect of both the First and Second World Wars on women in the UK had been dramatic. After the First they won the vote. During both many made love whenever they could knowing that their man could soon be dead. In the Second they knew that they themselves could be killed by a German bomb tonight - now. That relaxed inhibitions.

During both wars women took on traditionally male roles. "Rosie the Riveter" was a norm, not a poster image.

Tha advent of American GIs caused social problems. STDs were so common that many troops were incapacitated by them. GIs were issued with free condoms, so freely that assault troops on D-Day were using several on each weapon to keep sea and sand out of the mechanism.

We had the Puritans during the Commonwealth under Cromwell. They weren't liked then. In Canterbury, seat of the Anglican Church, the puritan Mayor tried to ban Christmas as being a pagan feast. He had to be rescued from lynching by the infuriated citizens.

We couldn't understand the "noble experiment" of Prohibition. We were still issuing Rum to sailors in the 1960s. A wartime quote from Winston Churchill when one Admiral said that the Royal Navy would uphold the traditions of the Senior Service - "And how will Rum, Bum and the Lash help?"

Back to the 1950s. English women had been sexually active during the war. Why should they stop? There was no puritan ethic in this country. Then there was the attitude that the war was over and why shouldn't we enjoy ourselves. We did.

Attitudes here are still different. We can't understand the fuss about Clinton, that dress and the cigar. Our leaders have frequently been randy - Edward VII, Lloyd George, Winston Churchill, more recently John Major.

So - I think Boxlicker is correct about conditions in the US. I think I am right about the UK.

Another aside: We couldn't understand films with Doris Day and Annette Funicello - Why didn't they just drag the male lead off to the nearest bed?

Last point: The band. They still exist and are still awful. They do try to be "hip", "cool" and "with it" by playing the latest hits. "Rock Around The Clock" was easy. Modern pop music isn't but elderly gents still buy expensive kit to try to match the current sound. Personally I would rather they stuck to tunes they know such as YMCA but they don't.

Og

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Don't know who invented it or when, but I sure hope they got a medal or something

-Colly

 

[Boota]

I figure sex was invented seconds after the first hard-on. I can't imagine a primitive male having a hard-on and not looking for the most easily accessible place to put it. For that matter I don't see many modern males without the same drive.

 

[Guest]

I figure sex was invented seconds after the first hard-on. I can't imagine a primitive male having a hard-on and not looking for the most easily accessible place to put it.

But how many things did he try it on (in) before finding a compliant female of his species?

Perdita

 

[lucky-E-leven]

But how many things did he try it on (in) before finding a compliant female of his species?

Perdita

LOL! It's probably documented somewhere and protected by Presidential Seal, but if the results are ever revealed I will be selectively hibernating that day.

-E

 

[Colleen Thomas]

But how many things did he try it on (in) before finding a compliant female of his species?

Perdita

My guess would be that Og the cave man found said compliant female before he found said hard on. Just a guess

-Colly

 

[Boxlicker101]

I figure sex was invented seconds after the first hard-on. I can't imagine a primitive male having a hard-on and not looking for the most easily accessible place to put it. For that matter I don't see many modern males without the same drive.

I suspect that with the first hardon, the owner just masturbated, and other hardons met the same fate. This continued for a while until a cavewoman said someting like "I can show you something a lot more fun to do with that but you will have to take me dancing first."

 

[SlaveMasterUK]

This all adds up to a interesting concept for the future: as a society, the Western world (at least the UK) is continuing to open up its sexuality. More and more sex is happening earlier and earlier on television and in the press. More things are becoming acceptable. Same-sex relationships are tolerated and almost everyone knows someone who claimes to be bi or homosexual.

But after all, what determines our sexuality? To envisage a world where same-sex relationships are safer and easier than heterosexual relationships, to envisage a world where diseases like AIDs have been cured, is to envisage a world where every human is born bisexual, and will have a number of partners of varying sex throughout their adult life.

Short of another religious or puritanical uprising, I see this happening very soon in Europe, perhaps in the next 30 years.

ax

 

[Icingsugar]

My guess would be that Og the cave man found said compliant female before he found said hard on. Just a guess

-Colly

That would be Grok the cave man. I think our Og might object to that exagerration of his age. And you don't want to mess with the King.

Other than that, you're probably right. But consider, it might still take a while to find the compatible receptor even if the female is located.

 

[Boota]

But how many things did he try it on (in) before finding a compliant female of his species?

Perdita

The list could be endless. Probably the slowest animal he could find. And that type of behavior didn't stop with the cavemen. I had a friend who screwed a couch once. It had a flower pattern and he named her Rosie. The worst thing - it wasn't his couch.