When it's the SITUATION which is erotic...

[000zing]

... not specially the characters nor even the action (by which I mean the actual description of intercourse). I'm well aware that this thought conflicts with the vast majority of what's served up as "erotic" in the Lit. archive, but for me a cleverly constructed, titillating situation or set of circumstances is worth its weight in gold, particularly if it has a bit of that much sought-after quality: originality. Am I the only one here who spends many a frustrating moment trying to work something of that into a story?

Often, it seems to me, if you can succeed on that front, the depiction of sex itself can become almost secondary.

 

[AlinaX]

An excited husband returns home early during the day. The wife's lover grabs his clothes and hides in the closet. He's not alone there. The daughter had hidden there earlier and had been watching him with her mother. Now her mother and father are making like bunnies while she and the lover listen. They daren't do much more than touch...

 

[Lifestyle66]

Sometimes it's the back & forth dialog describing their relationship. My swinger couple in Trusted Employees - On The Job:


She unfastened and removed her gown, tossing it onto the back of the couch. She was now naked and turned to the right to follow the butler into the master bedroom as I followed.

She was wearing panties when we left our room earlier, so I asked, "Where are your panties?"

"Oh, they're in his jacket pocket. I traded them for the keycard. I stood behind the unused bar when he took them off me, so no one saw him down there."

"Did he fuck you?" I asked beginning to become more suspicious of my wife's activities.

"Not yet. That's why we're here!"

 

[MrPixel]

Exhibitionist play and forced-but-willing public exposure can be highly erotic, even when it doesn't result in touching, much less intercourse. The adrenaline of risk and sexually-charged exposure alone can be a rush.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Exhibitionist play and forced-but-willing public exposure can be highly erotic, even when it doesn't result in touching, much less intercourse. The adrenaline of risk and sexually-charged exposure alone can be a rush.

Yes, correct, it doesn't have to be intercourse per se. But the "public" exposure doesn't have to be forced but willing; it can be accidental. And to answer Erozetta, there is no point in worrying if it's been done before or not; it probably has been somewhere, but that is not important. And since Lifestyle66 mentioned his On The Job entry, I'll do the same thing.

Encountering Alexandria

The "exposure" element is pretty straightforward. This guy is caught masturbating in the office, late at night, by his older female boss. But she was already looking for a pretext to make a move on him, which she does and which he decides to accept (they're both divorced/separated).

The plot and characters are fictional but the office itself is based on one I once worked in (the description of the building, the location in suburban New Jersey). If I already have a place in mind, then why create a whole new one? The timeline of the main scene is pretty compact - about an hour or so? So I didn't think about whether the circumstances were original or "worth their weight in gold." Whatever occurred to me seemed good enough.

 

[SimonDoom]

I think this is an excellent approach for erotica. It's basically like what Stephen King does with his horror stories: he takes ordinary people and plops them down into an extraordinary (and horrifying) situation.

The COVID story event had a number of stories like this: people get thrown together and isolated from others, and things happen.

I prefer to have an erotic payoff at the end, so my stories usually end with sexual consummation. But there's no reason it can't be stimulated by an unusual situation as opposed to an interesting character motivation or a focus on plot.

 

[lovecraft68]

It doesn't take much to make something more exciting.
A handjob isn't exactly all that in comparison to a blow job or full out sex
But make the handjob under the kitchen table with people around, or under a table in a restaurant, movie theater, back of a bus...it becomes more exciting.

And let's face it, that's what most genres add. Sex is sex but make the sex with a family member, someone with a different ethnicity, being coerced into it, with a member of the same sex, with someone married, while someone watches.

Don't see this topic as new, but what makes erotica go around in the first place.

 

[gunhilltrain]

It doesn't take much to make something more exciting.
A handjob isn't exactly all that in comparison to a blow job or full out sex
But make the handjob under the kitchen table with people around, or under a table in a restaurant, movie theater, back of a bus...it becomes more exciting.

And let's face it, that's what most genres add. Sex is sex but make the sex with a family member, someone with a different ethnicity, being coerced into it, with a member of the same sex, with someone married, while someone watches.

Don't see this topic as new, but what makes erotica go around in the first place.

It can be unusual but not implausible. The back of the bus thing: I've done that too.

Leave the Driving to Us

A huge amount of that is based on a true story: the ride through Oklahoma and Missouri, the description of the rest stops, even the two girls (whom I called Jenny and Martha). They may have been New Yorkers, but I don't remember now.

The only thing: I never had sex in the back with Jenny, or even came close to it.

Oh yeah, I've done movie theaters too. And drive-ins. Real ones too, but the events are fictional. I can only wish that they had happened. (The movies being shown on the screens are actual releases from the time periods. If one knows what they were, then one might as well use them.)

 

[lovecraft68]

It can be unusual but not implausible. The back of the bus thing: I've done that too.

Leave the Driving to Us

A huge amount of that is based on a true story: the ride through Oklahoma and Missouri, the description of the rest stops, even the two girls (whom I called Jenny and Martha). They may have been New Yorkers, but I don't remember now.

The only thing: I never had sex in the back with Jenny, or even came close to it.

Oh yeah, I've done movie theaters too. And drive-ins. Real ones too, but the events are fictional. I can only wish that they had happened. (The movies being shown on the screens are actual releases from the time periods. If one knows what they were, then one might as well use them.)

There's a whole sub set of porn vids about women who go sit in adult movie theaters and start taking on the guys who were sitting there with her. I write one of those for a commission a couple years ago. I took on the idea simply because it seemed easy, but was surprised at how much I got into it when I did the scene. Just total sleaze factor.

I felt the same when I did a hotwife gloryhole piece.

 

[HectorBidon]

When it's the SITUATION which is erotic...not specially the characters nor even the action... the depiction of sex itself can become almost secondary.

I agree with this. I think a story can be perfectly "sexy" without having sex per se. Some situations just end with unconsummated desire. Two problems with this kind of story. Many readers don't give high scores to stories that don't have sex scenes. Also, what category do you put them in? EC doesn't work because there's no actual "coupling." I put stories in which there is nudity into E/V, but that's not always a perfect fit if the situation is somewhat innocent and doesn't involve explicit exhibitionism or voyeurism.

Still, I find stories like this erotic and will continue to write them.

 

[gunhilltrain]

There's a whole sub set of porn vids about women who go sit in adult movie theaters and start taking on the guys who were sitting there with her. I write one of those for a commission a couple years ago. I took on the idea simply because it seemed easy, but was surprised at how much I got into it when I did the scene. Just total sleaze factor.

I felt the same when I did a hotwife gloryhole piece.

Somebody here told me here that it really used to happen - that women would go to adult movie theaters and hit on the nearby guys. He claimed to know about this from first-hand experiences. Of course, nowadays it would be hard to even find an adult movie theater. I meant couples who already knew each other and then go to a regular movie theater.

 

[lovecraft68]

Somebody here told me here that it really used to happen - that women would go to adult movie theaters and hit on the nearby guys. He claimed to know about this from first-hand experiences. Of course, nowadays it would be hard to even find an adult movie theater. I meant couples who already knew each other and then go to a regular movie theater.

Now it happens-supposedly-in the video booths in the basement of the adult stores. Stories of women-and men-who slip into the booths to suck off the guys.

Fun story. About ten years ago my sister went back to school and needed to take a night job for a few months. She ended up working at an adult store on the RI/MA border. Once in awhile the manager would go on Craig's list and a couple of other sites and post an ad as a woman saying she'd be at the store to 'drain some cocks' between X times.

Sure enough every time a bunch of guys showed up to buy the minimum amount of token to go down there for an hour and the place was packed. She went so far as to have different male friends of hers claim the girl was real and slipped into his booth "You didn't see her?"

Priceless.

 

[KeithD]

Yes, correct, it doesn't have to be intercourse per se. But the "public" exposure doesn't have to be forced but willing; it can be accidental. And to answer Erozetta, there is no point in worrying if it's been done before or not; it probably has been somewhere, but that is not important. And since Lifestyle66 mentioned his On The Job entry, I'll do the same thing.

This. I have several times used the motif of two spying each other across a street in windowed high rises (or in those Mediterranean hodge-podge villages cascading down to the sea in tiers) and exhibiting and more with each other over the divide. I find the image very erotic. I've done a similar window cleaner story.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Now it happens-supposedly-in the video booths in the basement of the adult stores. Stories of women-and men-who slip into the booths to suck off the guys.

Fun story. About ten years ago my sister went back to school and needed to take a night job for a few months. She ended up working at an adult store on the RI/MA border. Once in awhile the manager would go on Craig's list and a couple of other sites and post an ad as a woman saying she'd be at the store to 'drain some cocks' between X times.

Sure enough every time a bunch of guys showed up to buy the minimum amount of token to go down there for an hour and the place was packed. She went so far as to have different male friends of hers claim the girl was real and slipped into his booth "You didn't see her?"

Priceless.

There must be a lot of desperate guys out there looking for some no-strings-attached blowjobs.

 

[lovecraft68]

There must be a lot of desperate guys

Are there any other kind? Heh...

 

[gunhilltrain]

Are there any other kind? Heh...

In the one story I had about no-strings-attached sex (more than blowjobs), the guy wants more out of it emotionally and the girl gets pissed off because she thinks he's being pretentious (which he is in a way).

 

[Magineer]

There must be a lot of desperate guys out there looking for some no-strings-attached blowjobs.

I should hope not... 'ouch' would be the minimum....

 

[gunhilltrain]

"I've done a similar window cleaner story."

I bet window-cleaners must see a lot. Assuming the windows open, I wonder if they ever get invited in?

 

[RetroFan]

Sometimes the dangerous nature of sex can be the real turn on.

For example, one of my stories set in New York in the early 1970s is about a young Italian-American man who likes his boss's pretty 18-year-old daughter (the apple of her father's eye) and she is very flirty with him. The only problem - her father just happens to be a powerful Mafia boss in the area. The young guy keeps having nightmares about the boss finding out that he made out with the daughter, but when the girl finally makes her move she insists on having sex with the terrified but turned on young man in her bedroom during a party at the house, with Daddy and his mobster friends close by.

 

[TheRedChamber]

... not specially the characters nor even the action (by which I mean the actual description of intercourse). I'm well aware that this thought conflicts with the vast majority of what's served up as "erotic" in the Lit. archive, but for me a cleverly constructed, titillating situation or set of circumstances is worth its weight in gold, particularly if it has a bit of that much sought-after quality: originality. Am I the only one here who spends many a frustrating moment trying to work something of that into a story?

I think it's not that difficult to come up with basic situations which could be intersting and somewhat original. The thing that takes time for me and which only happens to maybe a third of my 'plot bunnies' is trying to work them into an actual story - something with a beginning, middle and end - and also something that has a 'point'. It's not really a case of trying to 'work it' into a story, I don't have a story until I'm happy with the construction. I tend to think of situation first and then work backwards from 'what kind of character would get themselves in this situation'.

But then, lots of people had different approaches to this. Some people write characters first, fall in love with them, and only afterwards consider what kind of adventures they're getting upto this week. Others have minimal set-up and wrap-up and focus more on whatever their favourite sexual act is. A lot of people just want that to get off to.

Often, it seems to me, if you can succeed on that front, the depiction of sex itself can become almost secondary.

One of the early pieces of feedback I got (more than once) on my stories was that while they were well plotted and interesting, the sex felt secondary. Since then, however clever I think I'm being with the plots, I try to make sure I'm still deliverying on the actual sex. Ideally, if you've got the situation and characters down, you should be able to write more than just a generic in-and-out sex scene then, but it's still the bit I struggle with most.

 

[lovecraft68]

"I've done a similar window cleaner story."

I bet window-cleaners must see a lot. Assuming the windows open, I wonder if they ever get invited in?

My uncle cleaned windows for years and said the only time he saw something like that was the times he would have never wanted to see anything like that.

 

[gunhilltrain]

My uncle cleaned windows for years and said the only time he saw something like that was the times he would have never wanted to see anything like that.

Actually, I find something else wrong with it. I've never experienced that trope of being teased by an exhibitionist female. But that's okay. For a male, it seems more frustrating than erotic.

 

[Magineer]

I think it's not that difficult to come up with basic situations which could be intersting and somewhat original. The thing that takes time for me and which only happens to maybe a third of my 'plot bunnies' is trying to work them into an actual story - something with a beginning, middle and end - and also something that has a 'point'. It's not really a case of trying to 'work it' into a story, I don't have a story until I'm happy with the construction. I tend to think of situation first and then work backwards from 'what kind of character would get themselves in this situation'.

But then, lots of people had different approaches to this. Some people write characters first, fall in love with them, and only afterwards consider what kind of adventures they're getting upto this week. Others have minimal set-up and wrap-up and focus more on whatever their favourite sexual act is. A lot of people just want that to get off to.



One of the early pieces of feedback I got (more than once) on my stories was that while they were well plotted and interesting, the sex felt secondary. Since then, however clever I think I'm being with the plots, I try to make sure I'm still deliverying on the actual sex. Ideally, if you've got the situation and characters down, you should be able to write more than just a generic in-and-out sex scene then, but it's still the bit I struggle with most.

I have sympathy with all of that. It often happens that I get this idea for what seems to me to be a situation which is absolutely loaded with erotic tension (as per the OP's thesis)... which is great... but then comes the issue of expanding or embedding it into a believable narrative where you don't get caught out with e.g. continuity problems. I do enjoy that part of the writing, too, but it needs application and thought.

As you say, many 'writers' here can't be bothered with this aspect of things.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Sometimes the dangerous nature of sex can be the real turn on.

For example, one of my stories set in New York in the early 1970s is about a young Italian-American man who likes his boss's pretty 18-year-old daughter (the apple of her father's eye) and she is very flirty with him. The only problem - her father just happens to be a powerful Mafia boss in the area. The young guy keeps having nightmares about the boss finding out that he made out with the daughter, but when the girl finally makes her move she insists on having sex with the terrified but turned on young man in her bedroom during a party at the house, with Daddy and his mobster friends close by.

From what I know, that sounds quite plausible. To make it work best, it should be set in actual Italian-American neighborhood of the era, like Belmont, Morris Park, Bensonhurst - those are a few that come to mind. I could just read it - what is the name of the story?

P.S.: Most of those places have far fewer Italian residents now. Belmont has lots of Italian-owned restaurants and such, but most of the residents are now Latino.

 

[RetroFan]

From what I know, that sounds quite plausible. To make it work best, it should be set in actual Italian-American neighborhood of the era, like Belmont, Morris Park, Bensonhurst - those are a few that come to mind. I could just read it - what is the name of the story?

P.S.: Most of those places have far fewer Italian residents now. Belmont has lots of Italian-owned restaurants and such, but most of the residents are now Latino.

Hi Gunhilltrain, thanks for your interest. The name of the story is 'Marissa the Mob Boss's Daughter'. It has a 1970s tag. The story is set in an Italian-American neighbourhood in Queens, but it is never named. I hope you like it.