When Criticism of Cluster Bombs is "Anti-Semitic"

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This is too much. For all you Israel loving creeps in Litland...take this and shove it as far as it will go.

When Criticism of Cluster Bombs is "Anti-Semitic"

By STANLEY HELLER

The Israeli paper Ha'aretz reports that the head of Germany's Jewish community accused a minister in Angela Merkel's German government of "anti-Semitism" because of the minister's statement on Israel's use of cluster bombs. Development Aid Minister Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul had asked for a United Nations probe into Israel's use of cluster bombs in civilian areas of Lebanon.

Charlotte Knobloch, president of the Central Council of German Jews, complained about what she terms a growing "anti-mood [sic] against Israel and the Jews" in Germany. [Ha,aretz August 30] Merkel, who made absolutely no criticism of Israel during the fighting, immediately met with Knobloch to "soothe Jewish ire" according to Deutche Welle [August 31]

The U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland revealed this week that of the estimated 100,000 unexploded cluster bombs lying in Lebanon almost all of them were fired in the last few days of the fighting when the terms of the ceasefire had already been set. The Guardian (UK) reports Egleand said, "What's shocking--and I would say to me completely immoral is that ninety per cent of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," he said.

It was known that in the last days of the war the Israeli army was engaged in a desperate attempt to have some "victory" and rushed troops here and there in an attempt to have a photo shoot near the Litani River. What was not known until now was the blind spite that sowed the ground of South Lebanon with a massive number of bomblets.

Cluster bombs are delivered by a large canister and disperse over a wide area, a sort of lethal piñata. The bomblets come in many sizes. Some are tiny, even smaller than 2 inches in diameter. Kids are constantly trying to kick them or pick them up with the result in the loss an arm or leg or even death. "Every day people are maimed, wounded and are killed by these ordnance," said Egeland. The UN official based his estimate on the reports of the UN Mine Action Coordination Centre which has traveled through 85% of Lebanon. The casualty figures as of 29 August from unexploded ordnance rose to 59 people, including 13 killed and 46 injured.

Responding to U.N. reports of cluster bombs being found in Lebanese civilian areas the U.S. government has begun an investigation to determine if cluster bombs have been responsible for civilian casualties. It seems far fetched that the Bush Administration would do anything other than shower Israel with more money, but the Reagan administration did ban export of cluster bombs to Israel for six years for its misuse during its 1982 Lebanese invasion.

The Zionist Ultras have been circling the wagons on this issue, not giving an inch. They hysterical statement by the German Jewish leader was typical of many.

Responding to a report by Human Rights Watch charging Israel with war crimes in its conduct of the war in Lebanon that was written by its director Kenneth Roth, Rabbi Avi Shafran of Agudath Israel has called Roth "loathsome." An editorial in the New York Sun accused Roth of "de-legitimization of Judaism" because his group condemned Israel's strategy as "an eye for an eye." Rabbi Aryeh Spero in Human Events Online referred to Roth as a "human rights impostor," and likened him to "Nazis and Communists." On Sunday, the Jerusalem Post published an op-ed by NGO Monitor's Gerald Steinberg titled "Ken Roth's Blood Libel." [quotes from Kathleen Peratis, Washington Post August 30] The fact that Kenneth Roth is Jewish and his father fled Nazi Germany makes no difference to the Ultras. If you are do not support Israel 110% you are a Jew-hater, a renegade, a self-hater, and a holocaust denier. Get it?

In a very competitive field Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League took the prize for the comment showing the most utter stupidly. In attacking Human Rights Watch he said if Hezbollah was not made to pay an "overwhelming price" for rocket attacks "the Holocaust would be in the works". [Peratis, Washington Post]

Jewish Disgust with Israel

In a very encouraging development hundreds of U.S. Jews are calling for strong measures to be taken against the Israeli government including a cut off of U.S. aid and U.N. sanctions. Over 800 have signed the statement calling for "U.S. Jewish Solidarity with Muslim and Arab Peoples of the Middle East". It states "we are outraged by the violence being perpetrated in our name both as Jews and as U.S. citizens. We, the undersigned, represent Jews across the United States who are choosing to stand in solidarity with the peoples of Gaza and Lebanon". It includes the statement, "There is no Jewish safety in a country that rehearses the violence and persecution which Ashkenazi Jews experienced for centuries through the annihilation of the Palestinian people and their homeland." The signers are collecting money for a full page in the New York Times and are just $800 away from their goal. The petition can be found at http://www.jewishsolidarity.info/petition.php

It was after the 1982 invasion of Lebanon that U.S. Jews in significant numbers began open and trenchant criticisms of Israel. Chomsky's watershed "The Fateful Triangle" was published that year. Hopefully there will be even bigger shows of outrage this time around.

Stanley Heller is chairperson of the Middle East Crisis Committee in Connecticut. It's website is www.TheStruggle.org and he can be reached at mail@TheStruggle.org
 
I think the anit-semitism charge stems from the fact that those criticizing the cluster bombs are the very individuals who also tend to pile onto criticizing every other element of Israeli activity (including their very existance). It is generally assumed by these individuals that we are to forget anything they said last week in favor of what they are saying today.

I was unaware that Israel used cluster bombs recently, nasty bombs, those. We should sell them fuel/air explosives, much cleaner.
 
vetteman said:
Cluster bombs aren't going away, so cowboy up.
Actually, there are bombs on the drawing board - Guided Submunitions - where each bomblet seeks out and destoys it's own little target based upon various guidance technologies, such as optic signature and/or gps. Those will likely replace the dumb clusters we use today, where only the bus bomb (the one carrying the sub-munitions) is guided. Progress.

Perhaps we can program the little buggers to seek out and destroy AK47's.
 
vetteman said:
They are very effective on the battlefield even in ther present state of being.
Ah, and there you find the liberal objection to them. Anything effective (such as welfare reform, tax reform, and cluster bombs) is to be avoided, spurned, and besmirched.
 
vetteman said:
It's all about defeating the American military before war begins, same with mines. Most folks have never had to defend a piece of ground against a numericaly superior force, mines are your friend.

Oh yeah and you have..shit and double shit...I can spell your name... PHONEY
now go play with your toys and stop trying to act like a badass. :nana: :nana: :nana:
 
Hey Budarski...stay away from my threads...adress next...
 
So, it seems Connecticut is the place to be if you want a first hand education about the Middle East..cool.. guess I'll go to Alaska to learn about gang violence in south central LA
 
The Home is looking for you Krast.


So are the black helicopters.

The home is better. It’s warm there, and safe. Remember those nice jigsaw puzzles they have there?

You like jigsaw puzzles.
 
Krast, you are taking some abuse here. It seems fair, so I won't pile on. However, I do not know you, have not talked to you. So...

I will not assume that you have or have not spent any time in Germany or Europe. I have. Something Europeans in general, and Germans in particular, are sensitive to is anything even remotely anti-semtic. I freely admit my Zionist bias. But one does not need to be all that objective to recognize that ANY criticism of Israel or Jews by a German official will be met with a negative response.

They flat freak out at that sort of speech. As well they fucking God Damn well should.

holocaust holocaust holocaust holocaust

six million Jews exterminated

LEST WE NEVER FORGET
 
mack_the_knife said:
I think the anit-semitism charge stems from the fact that those criticizing the cluster bombs are the very individuals who also tend to pile onto criticizing every other element of Israeli activity (including their very existance). It is generally assumed by these individuals that we are to forget anything they said last week in favor of what they are saying today.

I was unaware that Israel used cluster bombs recently, nasty bombs, those. We should sell them fuel/air explosives, much cleaner.

You are such a fuckwad.
 
damnewc said:
Krast, you are taking some abuse here. It seems fair, so I won't pile on. However, I do not know you, have not talked to you. So...

I will not assume that you have or have not spent any time in Germany or Europe. I have. Something Europeans in general, and Germans in particular, are sensitive to is anything even remotely anti-semtic. I freely admit my Zionist bias. But one does not need to be all that objective to recognize that ANY criticism of Israel or Jews by a German official will be met with a negative response.

They flat freak out at that sort of speech. As well they fucking God Damn well should.

holocaust holocaust holocaust holocaust

six million Jews exterminated

LEST WE NEVER FORGET

The truth these days seem to be based on how many people believe it. In the near futur more people will not believe in the holocaust than do. These are facts and there is so much that is made up about it. The very gall of Israel sayinf that it happened and that's that. The fact that it is against the law in most European countries to speak out against it says something.. Believe it or we'll put you in prison...that in itself makes it suspect...

six million dead jews at the hands of the Germans...I don't think so.
 
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