What's allowed in the "non-erotic" section? + non-con question

[tehuti88]

Thanks to everyone who answered my previous noob question, I greatly appreciate it all.

Here is another noob question. I've noticed the "non-erotic" writing section of the site and I have to admit that on a site called Literotica, I find it puzzling yet intriguing.

What sort of writing is allowed to be posted there? Does it still have to be adult ("R rated" or up) in nature, just not erotic? I ask because I have a lot of writing that's not erotic in nature, but also much of it isn't adult either; most of it ranges around PG-PG-13, mostly for language/violence. While I'd love to be able to share my non-erotic work here too, I would not want to abuse the primary focus of the site by posting non-adult work if that's not allowed.

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May as well kill two birds with one stone. I'm also wondering about the status of erotic stories that feature a mix of consensual and nonconsensual scenes. I realize that sounds weird so let me explain. I mean a story that's PRIMARILY intended to be erotic, and that's what most of the focus and plot is about, but it might also feature nonconsensual situations that are important but not primary to the plot.

Examples--I currently have a novella that's primarily about two characters in a consensual situation, but a side-plot features another character being sexually assaulted; this ties in directly to the main plot, and so while it could be modified, it can't be entirely omitted. I also have stories about characters currently in consensual situations but there are flashback scenes to previous nonconsensual situations; and I have ideas for stories where a character is first in a nonconsensual situation but later in the story ends up in a (usually different) consensual situation...again, secondary but important to the main plot.

I realize writing that's strictly non-con isn't permitted, so would the non-con parts of such stories need to be edited out/modified?

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Oh!--thought of another one. *blushes*

Lastly, what is the status of stories featuring "blackmail/extortion" (or borderline coercion) sex where the party being blackmailed/coerced really DOESN'T enjoy the situation, either physically or mentally, yet is still basically "consenting"? (I know this is considered dub-con/"reluctance" but according to Literotica rules, without any enjoyment on the part of the coerced character it seems iffy.)

Thanks yet again for any answers to my noob questions.

 

[_Lynn_]

I have non-erotic stories that don't touch on romance, love, or sex at all. Stranger in the Park includes a young child as a main character.

Check the non-erotic category. Read some of the stories there for an idea of what others posted. That's the best way to see what's out there.

 

[TxRad]

I posted a racing story there a few years back that has no erotica in it at all. As a side note, it got me what ended up being a three book deal with a major publisher. So you never know who reads here.

Another story I posted there was one that dealt with a computer operated smart car. The goal was to see if I could get sympathy for the computer/car. I did.

As for the non-consensual stuff, I don't write it so I couldn't tell you.

 

[lovecraft68]

The rule on non con.

As long as you're not hurting any men rape away, no limits whatsoever just rape away, the more graphic the better. Site's a big supporter of it.

Non erotic? No clue on that one. Seeing a non erotic category on a sex site is like when you go to a Chinese buffet and they are serving pizza.

 

[Hypoxia]

Seeing a non erotic category on a sex site is like when you go to a Chinese buffet and they are serving pizza.

I've had Chinese-eatery pizza. In Guatemala. It was... unique.

 

[_Lynn_]

The rule on non con.

As long as you're not hurting any men rape away, no limits whatsoever just rape away, the more graphic the better. Site's a big supporter of it.

Non erotic? No clue on that one. Seeing a non erotic category on a sex site is like when you go to a Chinese buffet and they are serving pizza.

Who knows? Maybe for some people, seeing an incest category on an erotic website is like going to a fine-dining restaurant that serves garbage.

 

[TxRad]

The rule on non con.

As long as you're not hurting any men rape away, no limits whatsoever just rape away, the more graphic the better. Site's a big supporter of it.

This is pure and simple bullshit and sour grapes.

 

[MSTarot]

Non erotic? No clue on that one. Seeing a non erotic category on a sex site is like when you go to a Chinese buffet and they are serving pizza.

If you went in the back of a lot of the Chinese buffets around here there are Mexicans working the burners. So a lot of these buffet bars also have tacos and nacho next to the egg rolls.


Non-erotic could be used to good effect in that it would be the one place where the early years of a relationship could be posted. Those dreaded under 18 years, you know the ones that don't exist.


LC is pretty much right about Non-con. As far as the anything goes there part.
Blackmail would certainly be acceptable there.


Had a story idea I thought about playing with at one time. Use two main character and have every story be in a different category.

 

[HeyAll]

Lastly, what is the status of stories featuring "blackmail/extortion" (or borderline coercion) sex where the party being blackmailed/coerced really DOESN'T enjoy the situation, either physically or mentally, yet is still basically "consenting"? (I know this is considered dub-con/"reluctance" but according to Literotica rules, without any enjoyment on the part of the coerced character it seems iffy.)

Thanks yet again for any answers to my noob questions.

That's no problem.

Stories get rejected if you feature mutilation, or anything graphic like that. Murder for the sake of titillation also gets rejected. But characters can get killed if it's part of a story (ie a detective story and someone is investigating). But you can't kill anyone, or torture anyone for the sake of pleasure.

Blackmail and hardcore sex is fine.

 

[sr71plt]

Blackmail would certainly be acceptable there.

That's technically not nonconsent. It's coerced consent, but it's consent. I think true "at the beginning" nonconsent is permitted here, but I think what's permitted here of that is mostly "eventually 'I like it,'" which, yes, is often artificially done to get it posted here.

As Mistress Lynn posts, it's not one iota less problematical than incest, so those attacking one and not the other for being here are just two-faced. But what gets considered incest is really pretty broad. And too, it gets to be pretty artificial because there's a huge overlap of incest and pedophilia in what readers are looking for in this category.

There are some purely nonerotic stories posted here, especially around Christmas time. I have some and I have alt pen name that only does that. They do well. It's fine with me that they are here as long as authors of this don't start forgetting this is an erotica site and start getting all puritanical about what others post here.

 

[Handley_Page]

I've noticed the "non-erotic" writing section of the site and I have to admit that on a site called Literotica, I find it puzzling yet intriguing.

Just because the site features lots of wordy erotica, it does not mean that a writer cannot write something which features clever and intelligent writing - but does not feature any particular sex act. And Mistress Lynn is a very good exponent of it.
Personally, I reckon that a good story well told is good; adding good sex to it can make it great. Some decent humour can make it even better!

 

[HeyAll]

That's technically not nonconsent. It's coerced consent, but it's consent. I think true "at the beginning" nonconsent is permitted here, but I think what's permitted here of that is mostly "eventually 'I like it,'" which, yes, is often artificially done to get it posted here.

The nonconcent area is called "Nonconent/Reluctant."

So blackmail, coercion, and so forth fall under Reluctant. It's a form of control.

 

[sr71plt]

The nonconcent area is called "Nonconent/Reluctant."

So blackmail, coercion, and so forth fall under Reluctant. It's a form of control.

Yes, but that the discussion went to thinking of it in terms of rape. I agree that blackmail goes with the Reluctance subcategory.

This is a diatribe that someone here frequently can't resist launching into.

 

[Hypoxia]

Stories get rejected if you feature mutilation, or anything graphic like that. Murder for the sake of titillation also gets rejected. But characters can get killed if it's part of a story (ie a detective story and someone is investigating). But you can't kill anyone, or torture anyone for the sake of pleasure.

I've just submitted a tale, adapted from old horror-satire underground comix, that may push the edge here. I've posted it as EROTIC HORROR. The death-during-sex event is brief and only cartoon-like graphic. Here it is.

Background: Randy the ugly dwarf pharmacist has been tormented by his townsfolk all his life. He gets revenge by dosing them with a shrinking agent -- they're all midgets now! He points them to the antidote in exchange for their giving him Gilda, the nympho speed-freak he's obsessed with. He enters her, then injects himself with the genital antidote.

"Randy's cock expanded immensely within Gilda, to ten times its normal size! From two inches diameter, to twenty inches! From four inches long, to forty inches! A great fleshy pillar of immense strength! A towering tsunami of turgid triumph!

Randy came at the same instant -- his cum spurt matched his growth spurt.

The sudden expansion of his mighty cock exploded Gilda's lean body into bloody cum-soaked little shreds. SPLAT!

The force and magnitude of his cum blew her head off. POW! (Bounce!)

This mating left a large wet spot. GOOSH!"​

No sadism, no gratuitous violence, no sexual torture, just a cartoonish mess. Will this pass?

As for NON-EROTIC -- I guess it depends on how 'erotic' is defined. Many ROMANCE stories have little if any physical sex. Are they non-erotic?

 

[_Lynn_]

As for NON-EROTIC -- I guess it depends on how 'erotic' is defined. Many ROMANCE stories have little if any physical sex. Are they non-erotic?

Erotic relates to sex; causes sexual feelings. Thus, non-erotic would not relate to sex or cause sexual feelings.

Romance relates to a love story; an emotional attraction.

 

[tehuti88]

Oh wow, for some odd reason it didn't subscribe me to this when I posted, I thought I'd gotten no replies! *blushes*

I see it looks like the answers to these particular questions aren't so clear cut as I'd hoped; I'm guessing I'll have to just find out if and when something of mine is rejected. (I asked in advance as I tend to take rejection too personally so I try everything I can to avoid it! I'd hate my work to create a hassle for the people running the site.)

I'm taking the "Rape?--anything goes" comment with a BIG grain of salt... o_o; Not sure what is meant by "not hurting any men"...as I said I'm quite a noob here and know nothing of any possible site conflicts/controversies. I try to avoid conflict as much as I try to avoid rejection. (Oddly, many of the victims in my writing happen to be male.)

I do have writing that features very graphic torture/killing but NOT in a sexual context; I'd assumed, after browsing guidelines yesterday, that the same as with such material in a sexual context, it would not be allowed. But now I'm not so sure. Was my first assumption (no graphic torture/murder, sexual or nonsexual, allowed, period) correct?

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The work of mine I'd considered placing in the "non-erotic" section mostly isn't romantic in nature, either, and often doesn't directly tie in to my adult work (might feature some of the same characters, but not the same plots). I realize there is "adult"/mature writing that can be graphic/objectionable yet not erotic in nature (I have some R-rated non-erotic writing), so wasn't sure if the non-erotic part of the site was intended only for mature non-erotic writing, or for non-erotic writing in general (for example, writing that could even be considered YA).

Hm, not sure how clear I'm being, I sound muddy. Apologies. I did browse an item or two in non-erotic (I deliberately picked ones with non-titillating titles/summaries), and looked at their tags, but wasn't able to tell much from mere browsing how PG/PG-13/R rated or what they were. :/


ETA, haha, my status is "Virgin." So very true in more ways than one.

EETA:

I posted a racing story there a few years back that has no erotica in it at all. As a side note, it got me what ended up being a three book deal with a major publisher. So you never know who reads here.

Nice!

EEETA:

Wait, there ARE emoticons here--?



Well now I feel quite lame, I assumed there were none.

Okay done editing urgh.

 

[MSTarot]

Was going to send you these in PM but you don't have it turned on. These are two of mine that are fairly graphic. They may give you some idea what is allowed.

http://www.literotica.com/s/a-grimm-tribute

http://www.literotica.com/s/shivering-1


and two from non-erotic

http://www.literotica.com/s/just-a-sin-away-from-hell

http://www.literotica.com/s/running-on-empty-2

Send me a Pm and I will answer any questions I can.

I am anything but shy and twisted enough that nothing story wise will shock me.

 

[HeyAll]

I've just submitted a tale, adapted from old horror-satire underground comix, that may push the edge here. I've posted it as EROTIC HORROR. The death-during-sex event is brief and only cartoon-like graphic. Here it is.

Background: Randy the ugly dwarf pharmacist has been tormented by his townsfolk all his life. He gets revenge by dosing them with a shrinking agent -- they're all midgets now! He points them to the antidote in exchange for their giving him Gilda, the nympho speed-freak he's obsessed with. He enters her, then injects himself with the genital antidote.

"Randy's cock expanded immensely within Gilda, to ten times its normal size! From two inches diameter, to twenty inches! From four inches long, to forty inches! A great fleshy pillar of immense strength! A towering tsunami of turgid triumph!

Randy came at the same instant -- his cum spurt matched his growth spurt.

The sudden expansion of his mighty cock exploded Gilda's lean body into bloody cum-soaked little shreds. SPLAT!

The force and magnitude of his cum blew her head off. POW! (Bounce!)

This mating left a large wet spot. GOOSH!"​

No sadism, no gratuitous violence, no sexual torture, just a cartoonish mess. Will this pass?

As for NON-EROTIC -- I guess it depends on how 'erotic' is defined. Many ROMANCE stories have little if any physical sex. Are they non-erotic?

Probably.

I just repeated what I saw from Laurel's thread:


http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=926617

These things are tricky. I tend to be more lenient when a scene is in the service of a plot. Movies often have horrific scenes where a man's family is killed in front of him, but it's done so to horrify the viewer and to show character motivation (revenge). This is different from scenes which are put there for no other reason than with the expectation that the reader will be thrilled to watch another human being suffer/be disfigured/be killed.

Things that are never okay: graphic and explicit castration, mutilation, and murder for the purposes of sexual titillation.

 

[tehuti88]

Was going to send you these in PM but you don't have it turned on. These are two of mine that are fairly graphic. They may give you some idea what is allowed.

http://www.literotica.com/s/a-grimm-tribute

http://www.literotica.com/s/shivering-1


and two from non-erotic

http://www.literotica.com/s/just-a-sin-away-from-hell

http://www.literotica.com/s/running-on-empty-2

Send me a Pm and I will answer any questions I can.

I am anything but shy and twisted enough that nothing story wise will shock me.

Thank you, I'll look at these as soon as I'm able! I seem to learn best from concrete examples.

I wasn't even aware the site has PMs though it's probably for the best as I have horrific anxiety of such things, I have PMs turned off even on a site for socially anxious people, ha.

These things are tricky. I tend to be more lenient when a scene is in the service of a plot. Movies often have horrific scenes where a man's family is killed in front of him, but it's done so to horrify the viewer and to show character motivation (revenge). This is different from scenes which are put there for no other reason than with the expectation that the reader will be thrilled to watch another human being suffer/be disfigured/be killed.

Things that are never okay: graphic and explicit castration, mutilation, and murder for the purposes of sexual titillation.

(Don't know how to quote-within-a-quote, sorry!)

I'd seen the second quote (that was what I had in mind during my questions), but not the first...on the one hand it helps clarify my viewpoint, but on the other makes me indecisive again. MOST of the violence and such in my writing is in furtherance of the plot and, like I said, isn't for any sort of sexual titillation (I guess I just don't get off on snuff...though when I think about it I do have at least one scene that features something along those lines...it squicked me out to write it).

HOWEVER...some of the graphic violence is of the revenge type, and seeing as it's committed against characters who've behaved in pretty loathsome ways (the four scenes that most quickly come to mind regard revenge taken on particularly violent rapists), I can't help but suspect that at least PART of the purpose of depicting it is for the reader to be thrilled to read about it happening...not sexually thrilled, just thrilled. ("Yay, those scumbags got what was coming to them!")

So it's still a gray area, I suppose. :/

(Three of the four scenes mentioned above are from stories with other content that's too objectionable to post to Literotica, so I imagine they'd end up heavily edited anyway. It's just a matter of determining what level or purpose of violence is permissible and what's not.)