What's a good place to post this serial story?

[LucyH]

I know you can post things with chapters on Literotica. Just not sure this one belongs. If I posted it all under any one category, at least half the chapters would be a total misfit, and if I posted it under different categories, I'm afraid that would confuse people. I mean, chapter 1 is about a vampire drinking cow blood, and some kids playing. A few chapters in, there's gay vampire S&M sex. Then there's family drama, stalker drama, and kidnapping getting in the way of the S&M sex that the vampire wishes he was having.

So I went looking for places that host serial fiction, and found a couple that looked promising....and they take everything but erotica.

Anybody have any suggestions as to what to do with this thing, so I won't disappoint people who are just looking for gay vampire S&M action, or disturb other people who really weren't looking for that?

 

[PennLady]

I know you can post things with chapters on Literotica. Just not sure this one belongs. If I posted it all under any one category, at least half the chapters would be a total misfit, and if I posted it under different categories, I'm afraid that would confuse people. I mean, chapter 1 is about a vampire drinking cow blood, and some kids playing. A few chapters in, there's gay vampire S&M sex. Then there's family drama, stalker drama, and kidnapping getting in the way of the S&M sex that the vampire wishes he was having.

So I went looking for places that host serial fiction, and found a couple that looked promising....and they take everything but erotica.

Anybody have any suggestions as to what to do with this thing, so I won't disappoint people who are just looking for gay vampire S&M action, or disturb other people who really weren't looking for that?

I'd say two things -- one, post each individual chapter under the category that best fits. Second, post it under Novels and Novellas.

Two and a half -- If the vampire is the main character, it seems like it would fit under Nonhuman. Yeah, if this is about a vampire, nonhuman should be just fine.

 

[LucyH]

I'd say two things -- one, post each individual chapter under the category that best fits. Second, post it under Novels and Novellas.

Two and a half -- If the vampire is the main character, it seems like it would fit under Nonhuman. Yeah, if this is about a vampire, nonhuman should be just fine.

Huh, I'd totally missed the novel/novella section. *hitting head on wall* Yes, I think this fits. Thank you for pointing that out.

 

[PennLady]

Huh, I'd totally missed the novel/novella section. *hitting head on wall* Yes, I think this fits. Thank you for pointing that out.

Quite welcome.

I've pondered this on and off today, though, and think you should put it under Nonhuman. If it's about a vampire, then I think that might trump everything else.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Huh, I'd totally missed the novel/novella section. *hitting head on wall* Yes, I think this fits. Thank you for pointing that out.

It would fit, but this section doesn't get many viewers.

 

[PennLady]

It would fit, but this section doesn't get many viewers.

Hadn't thought of that. Nonhuman would probably get more views/reads.

 

[lovecraft68]

Huh, I'd totally missed the novel/novella section. *hitting head on wall* Yes, I think this fits. Thank you for pointing that out.

Keep in mind though there a couple of things that are tough fits in any category. One is incest and the other is gay male (even gay vampire) those are a couple of things people do not like to "stumble" into.

Wherever you end up posting it be sure to make good use of your tags and maybe even put a warning an authors note that it contains "Gay Vampire sex" if not you will end up getting flamed in votes and comments.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

I've found out that if you have gay sex, then that pretty much trumps all. Me and several other authors want the gay male cat to be more diverse, maybe get a few divisions in it (i.e. Gay swingers, gay nonhuman, etc.) but until then, gay sex belongs in gay male. You try to put it anywhere else, and I can guarantee it will get flamed by some troll or another.

I wrote a straight nonhuman story a few months ago. Basically, it's a girl who is half-pixie and gets seduced by an incubus trapped in a ring of stones. Anyway, this is a quote from the story.

"During one of their revels, a drunk pixie snuck into the human village and fucked your mother. It happens all the time, they wipe the human's memories. Normally they are smart enough not to fuck one of the opposite sex. Your daddy was too drunk to find a boy, so he conceived you."

That was my one homosexual reference in the entire peice, and I had a very rude comment at the bottom. I deleted it, but it was something along the lines of

"What the hell? This was a great story, but you had to ruin it by having her dad be a faggot. I was gonna give you 5*s, but now you get 2"

Only, put a bunch of spelling errors in that.

The trolls do not take kindly to any sort of homoerotic material in their precious stroke stories. Put it in gay male, or face their wrath.

 

[kitkat88]

I've found out that if you have gay sex, then that pretty much trumps all. Me and several other authors want the gay male cat to be more diverse, maybe get a few divisions in it (i.e. Gay swingers, gay nonhuman, etc.) but until then, gay sex belongs in gay male. You try to put it anywhere else, and I can guarantee it will get flamed by some troll or another.

I wrote a straight nonhuman story a few months ago. Basically, it's a girl who is half-pixie and gets seduced by an incubus trapped in a ring of stones. Anyway, this is a quote from the story.

"During one of their revels, a drunk pixie snuck into the human village and fucked your mother. It happens all the time, they wipe the human's memories. Normally they are smart enough not to fuck one of the opposite sex. Your daddy was too drunk to find a boy, so he conceived you."

That was my one homosexual reference in the entire peice, and I had a very rude comment at the bottom. I deleted it, but it was something along the lines of

"What the hell? This was a great story, but you had to ruin it by having her dad be a faggot. I was gonna give you 5*s, but now you get 2"

Only, put a bunch of spelling errors in that.

The trolls do not take kindly to any sort of homoerotic material in their precious stroke stories. Put it in gay male, or face their wrath.

How about the ultimate taboo, and category headache, Gay incest? Where do you put a brother/brother story?

The incest crowd will not appreciate the gay sex, and just because it is man on man I would imagine most gay men do not fantasize about having sex with their brother, so they would get upset as well.

So which trumps in that instance?

 

[sr71plt]

How about the ultimate taboo, and category headache, Gay incest? Where do you put a brother/brother story?

The incest crowd will not appreciate the gay sex, and just because it is man on man I would imagine most gay men do not fantasize about having sex with their brother, so they would get upset as well.

So which trumps in that instance?

Examples of such stories being lambasted in GM.

I haven't seen any backlash of incest when it's put in the GM category. I have a bit of that tucked away in a GM story or two and haven't received any remarks about it. I don't think those reading GM stories are particularly shocked by incest.

Maybe I should try a heavier treatment of it on a Lit. story and check that out. I do have a heavier treatment of it in some recent e-books (only urges for it in blood relations; but more explicit treatment in nonblood relations). And those books are selling fine.

My GM vampire stories do as well as any others when put in the GM category to--I've got a chaptered vampire novel in GM with three-quarters of the chapters rating hot and no derogatory comments that I can remember.

 

[Stella_Omega]

How about the ultimate taboo, and category headache, Gay incest? Where do you put a brother/brother story?

The incest crowd will not appreciate the gay sex, and just because it is man on man I would imagine most gay men do not fantasize about having sex with their brother, so they would get upset as well.

So which trumps in that instance?

There are other places on the internet that are better set up for specialty gay male stories. Lit is not.

I suggest you google and see what you come up with-- livejournal and dreamwidth have strong comunities for original fiction, and lots of fans who have become acclimated to"Wincest"
(Via Supernatural) and"twincest" (Via the Weasley twins)

 

[kitkat88]

I haven't seen any backlash of incest when it's put in the GM category. I have a bit of that tucked away in a GM story or two and haven't received any remarks about it. I don't think those reading GM stories are particularly shocked by incest.

Maybe I should try a heavier treatment of it on a Lit. story and check that out. I do have a heavier treatment of it in some recent e-books (only urges for it in blood relations; but more explicit treatment in nonblood relations). And those books are selling fine.

But when you advertise, which "kink" do you give precedence to? I see you are mostly known for GM so is that what you always push?

Honestly I have no interest in GM, just a waste of some nice looking guys. I was asking out of curiosity.

I have though noticed the double standard that no one seems to mind if it is sister/sister. Myself included. I am not into women in r/l but the image of it can get me going if written well enough.

 

[sr71plt]

Further on posting both vampire and incest in the GM category at Lit.

I have stories posted here in both categories and they have done just fine without any derogatory comments on either GM vampire or incest.

Are there examples of such stories that haven't fared well in comments/ratings for including these elements?

 

[Boxlicker101]

How about the ultimate taboo, and category headache, Gay incest? Where do you put a brother/brother story?

The incest crowd will not appreciate the gay sex, and just because it is man on man I would imagine most gay men do not fantasize about having sex with their brother, so they would get upset as well.

So which trumps in that instance?

I hope you are aware that authors do not choose the category where a story is to be posted. We are required to make a suggestion, but the story will be posted where Lit. thinks it belongs. Sometimes, if we don't like that choice, we can get it changed, but not always and usually it's not worth the bother.

 

[sr71plt]

I hope you are aware that authors do not choose the category where a story is to be posted. We are required to make a suggestion, but the story will be posted where Lit. thinks it belongs. Sometimes, if we don't like that choice, we can get it changed, but not always and usually it's not worth the bother.

This is, I think, exactly LucyH's problem, Box--whether others are seeing or not. The chapters reportedly have wildly different content. The site editor can't tell from the first one where the others are going to go, so I think there are really only two options for author suggestion of categories for this: All in novella/novel (which I think the site editor would leave them together) or possible separate category for each chapter.

I've always thought it was risky to be sending readers from category to category on chapters, but the structure of Lit. many make that minimum risk--and if the chapters are run with chapter heads, the whole thing will stay together on the author's story list--and in the recently instituted "series" listings.

 

[PennLady]

I've read stories in Nonhuman that have gay sex and haven't noticed any backlash. It's usually stated up front, either in the tag line or in the first few graphs of a story. To me, at least in this instance, the nonhuman element would trump the others, but I can see arguments for other placement.

 

[sr71plt]

I've read stories in Nonhuman that have gay sex and haven't noticed any backlash. It's usually stated up front, either in the tag line or in the first few graphs of a story. To me, at least in this instance, the nonhuman element would trump the others, but I can see arguments for other placement.

Oh, I wouldn't put a gay story anywhere on Lit. except for the one, topic-crowed GM category. Where I have the most trouble posting is menage that includes male-male, for which there is no safe category provided by Lit. As Cruel2bkind noted, the straight categories on Lit. heavily overshadow the GM, lesbian, and bi categories--and this is carried over massively in the dispersal of contest winning money.

 

[sr71plt]

It was comparitively scads safer to go off to elementary, junior high, and high school every morning then. And teachers could (mostly) concentrate on delivering the curriculum.

 

[PennLady]

Oh, I wouldn't put a gay story anywhere on Lit. except for the one, topic-crowed GM category. Where I have the most trouble posting is menage that includes male-male, for which there is no safe category provided by Lit. As Cruel2bkind noted, the straight categories on Lit. heavily overshadow the GM, lesbian, and bi categories--and this is carried over massively in the dispersal of contest winning money.

I still think that over at StoriesOnline.net, they're on to something will all of the tags that you can see when you look at a list of stories. Nothing is categorized, per se, and you can easily see what you want to avoid, and there isn't the problem of where to put such a story. You would just tag it vampire, gay, etc., and then people would know. I doubt we'll see such a restructuring here, but it would be good if there were some kind of sub-categories or easy way to identify cross-over stories.

 

[nomoretears00]

Gay Male

I write in the gay male cat and all but one of my stories has nonhuman beings in them. *Laugh* and even then Cupid managed to make his way in to some degree. I've done vampires (it's been published and had to pull it) aliens, Greek Gods, and got other nonhuman stories in the works that are all gay male. One day I'll do a brother/brother story and it'll go in gay male, too.

Other authors have done gay male incest and from what I've seen they were not blasted.

ps... Pilot, I would absolutely love to see you do a brother incest story.

 

[sr71plt]

I write in the gay male cat and all but one of my stories has nonhuman beings in them. *Laugh* and even then Cupid managed to make his way in to some degree. I've done vampires (it's been published and had to pull it) aliens, Greek Gods, and got other nonhuman stories in the works that are all gay male. One day I'll do a brother/brother story and it'll go in gay male, too.

Other authors have done gay male incest and from what I've seen they were not blasted.

ps... Pilot, I would absolutely love to see you do a brother incest story.

Where do you post these stories? Do they fly in the separate categories or do you put them in GM. This would be a real example--advice from someone who actually writes and posts the genre to Lit. rather than from ones who don't and are just "supposing" they know all about it.

I've never thought of doing a brother incest story. I think I could handle that. Most of the time when I bring in incest it is step-father to son.

I do have stories where brothers or father/son share a protagonist--but I think they all are serial rather than simultaneous encounters, so they don't really qualify as Incest. One is a case of twins ("Saddled"); I'll have to go back to see if the twins mess with each other as well as serially with the protagonist. There's a similar mix in "My Lover's Stepfather." I also have one where a male prostitute acts as a surrogate son for fathers who want to do their sons--but I don't think I've posted that one yet.

In straight-sex stories, I could only get across the father-daughter divide by making the father unaware that she was his daughter ("In Every Port"). I've had no interest in mothers doing anyone in the family (not even the husband, actually).

I've written several cases, though--especially in e-books only for the market--where a step-father (or mother's boyfriend) initiates the protagonist, which then has ramifications down the road and is something the protagonist tries to escape. I never do an incest story that doesn't involve the creation of psychological issues on the part of the protagonist from having had the encounters/relationships.

 

[estragon]

I've mixed the categories in my "Mistress and Commander" series, giving each chapter a different category, as the context required. I wouldn't recommend it if you're looking for votes, because readers get confused. I didn't post to novels and novellas, because the series was rather short. But none of my stories has ever been re-categorized by the editors.

 

[lovecraft68]

Oh, I wouldn't put a gay story anywhere on Lit. except for the one, topic-crowed GM category. Where I have the most trouble posting is menage that includes male-male, for which there is no safe category provided by Lit. As Cruel2bkind noted, the straight categories on Lit. heavily overshadow the GM, lesbian, and bi categories--and this is carried over massively in the dispersal of contest winning money.

Oh please, stop trying to sound like a martyr because you write in GM. GM places fairly regularly in the monthly contests. Although I don't recall seeing you winning one.

Matter of fact there is not one "W" in your close to 500 hundred stories. Normally I would never say anything about that except I would think for someone who thinks he is that good you would have won something other than a handful of pity "e's" tossed your way.

Also for the record the more you call attention to the the fact that Gay Male is ostracized and banned the more you look like an idiot, Stop looking for prejudice where it does not exist.

There is enough real ignorance out there that you don't need to try to look for it where it isn't

Incest and loving wives are reviled far beyond GM and I believe LW takes the prize for abusing its authors.

I would also be remiss if I did not toss out there that I believe you are bi sexual like I believe you work for the government or any of your other made up bullshit.

You think claiming to be bi sexual here makes you seem "edgy" and at the least gives you something to whine about.


As for being overshadowed, yes the majority of people on here are straight rather than gay or bi. But that does not show "bias" it is just a statistic

I do however agree with you and others in principle that there shoud be a bisexual category. However I see inherent problems with it.

Mostly, as Kitkat stated above, no one, men or women seem to mind girl/girl or any combo of men and women, but Man/Man only appeals for the most part to Gay Men. so they would have to try a sub division. which would just be a pain in their ass.

 

[Darkniciad]

I'll bow to SRs experience about the GM category, but I'll also agree with PennLady, and expand upon it a bit.

Sci-Fi&Fantasy, Non Human, and Erotic Horror readers will accept GM content, so long as they're warned in advance. If told in an author's note at the beginning of the story, readers who would be turned off by it will ( gasp! ) not open it, rather than dinging you with 1 votes and nasty comments, as is common in so many other categories on the site.

The same applies for putting GM into a long story. Warn at the beginning of the chapter where it happens ( even better if you can warn where, and on what page of the chapter ), and they'll skip the appropriate section without dinging your whole story/chapter for it.

If you had any MF/FF content in the story at all, I would tell you to go with Non Human and an appropriate warning note, as I have seen some nasty comments from the GM section about including a woman. If it's strictly GM, going with SRs experience in the category, I'd say it's about equal.

 

[talismania]

I submit the categories based on the main sexual pairing. If the two people having sex are guys, I think the story belongs in GM even though the plot might be science fiction/fantasy or non-human.

In my romance story I mentioned, but did not actually depict, gay male pairings and a few comments said, "... but I didn't really like the gay stuff." They were polite about it, just trying to tell me they would rather I not go there. <laugh> Gay male makes some readers uncomfortable, I respect that, which is why I post stories that are all straight or all gay when it comes to the action and I put the GM in GM.

Do I write stories with both gay and straight sex, or incest for that matter? Yep. I haven't put one of those up yet but if I do I will attach a note at the top of the story mentioning the gay sex or the incest--or, if I put it in GM, the straight sex. That way if they know it involves something they aren't interested in seeing, they can click away.