What would you do in this situation?

Green_Gem

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I have this problem that’s emerged with one of my stories and I was wondering what the best thing to do would be.

In the last month or so I’ve had two emails from readers about a story that I wrote and published back in 2003. The first one was extremely rude and basically accused me of plagiarizing the story from an excerpt that appeared online of an e-book. The reader mentioned the name of the story (which is different to mine) and the author. I duly Googled it to find it was available on one of the websites that sells erotica. It was copyrighted 2006.

I skimmed through what was available and saw that there were areas where the story was identical, particularly as far as where the dialogue was concerned. In some cases it was almost word for word, the same. The premise for the story was also very very similar, but with some differences in the characters. I really didn’t read all that was available. I had seen enough to realize why the reader had been pissed off especially if he/she had to pay for their story and then discovered mine online, for free.

Following another link I got some background on the author of the story who had a lot to say about herself and her writing abilities and accomplishments, such as having various things published on the internet and writing for the science fiction genre. She then went on to say that in 2004 she began writing in the erotic romance genre and now concentrates solely on those types of stories.

I replied to the reader who sent me the mail and informed him that my story had been submitted and published on Literotica in 2003 and drew his/her attention to the fact that she had only starting erotic romance in the year after I’d published my story, and since this story of hers had only made an appearance in 2006, it was impossible for me to have copied her work.

I told him to be wary of just blaming people indiscriminately in future for something like that before he had his facts 100% correct.

He never replied. Obviously.

What really pissed me off was that this story of hers was something of a bestseller for that month. Anyway I seethed a bit about it and then just let it go. Life goes on and really I don;t stress too much about this stuff.

But then this week I got another letter from another reader with the same concerns but he was much more diplomatic and asked me if I had ever had the story published as an e-book. I replied, and then he replied saying that he’d noticed my story was submitted to Literotica in 2003 but wasn’t sure if I had possibly decided to submit it in a different form for paid publication to this other site and so did not want to make any initial accusations. He then went ballistic about the whole thing and said I should expose her because she was not only getting away with plagiarism but also making money out of it.

I have no clue what it costs for these e-books and how much the actual money aspect might affect readers in terms of feeling “ripped off,” but clearly both of these readers had that “ripped off “ feeling. I certainly don’t want to trash any other author or make a big issue out of this but there is a principle involved here now. I also don’t want to have to get these mails from readers who clearly have the initial feeling that I might have plagiarized someone else’s work. Why there should be the notion that it’s more likely that an author who publishes for free would copy the work of someone who charges and not the other way around, I don’t know but it obviously exists.

So what’s the best route to go? Contact Laurel with my tale of woe? Or… Any other suggestions?
 
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Whoa, that's some crazy shit. Personally, I'd be wicked pissed if I thought someone was making a profit from one of my stories and it wasn't me. I'd absolutely talk to Laurel and see about contacting the e-book publisher with all the proper info. Good luck. :rose:
 
Thanks for the reply Miss Scarlet. I definitely will forward all onto Laurel and maybe she will have some clout with the website concerned. It's one of the known ones and I guess they also need to be concerned about the integrity of their stories especially since there is money involved.
 
ALWAYS report plagiarism of your stories to Laurel! She is very good about defending Literotica published stories. Your complaint not only protects you, but the rest of us as well.
 
I'm with MissScarlett on this one.

What that "authour" did is highly unethical. Get Laurel on the case.
 
It might be 'unconscious plagiarism', which does exist, but then I might put out a forest fire by pissing on it! Get Laurel on the case, definitely, and an approach to the e-book publisher expressing concern, but not making accusations, would also be a good idea, I think.

Alex
 
Green_Gem said:
I have this problem that’s emerged with one of my stories and I was wondering what the best thing to do would be.

In the last month or so I’ve had two emails from readers about a story that I wrote and published back in 2003. The first one was extremely rude and basically accused me of plagiarizing the story from an excerpt that appeared online of an e-book. The reader mentioned the name of the story (which is different to mine) and the author. I duly Googled it to find it was available on one of the websites that sells erotica. It was copyrighted 2006.

I skimmed through what was available and saw that there were areas where the story was identical, particularly as far as where the dialogue was concerned. In some cases it was almost word for word, the same. The premise for the story was also very very similar, but with some differences in the characters. I really didn’t read all that was available. I had seen enough to realize why the reader had been pissed off especially if he/she had to pay for their story and then discovered mine online, for free.

Following another link I got some background on the author of the story who had a lot to say about herself and her writing abilities and accomplishments, such as having various things published on the internet and writing for the science fiction genre. She then went on to say that in 2004 she began writing in the erotic romance genre and now concentrates solely on those types of stories.

I replied to the reader who sent me the mail and informed him that my story had been submitted and published on Literotica in 2003 and drew his/her attention to the fact that she had only starting erotic romance in the year after I’d published my story, and since this story of hers had only made an appearance in 2006, it was impossible for me to have copied her work.

I told him to be wary of just blaming people indiscriminately in future for something like that before he had his facts 100% correct.

He never replied. Obviously.

What really pissed me off was that this story of hers was something of a bestseller for that month. Anyway I seethed a bit about it and then just let it go. Life goes on and really I don;t stress too much about this stuff.

But then this week I got another letter from another reader with the same concerns but he was much more diplomatic and asked me if I had ever had the story published as an e-book. I replied, and then he replied saying that he’d noticed my story was submitted to Literotica in 2003 but wasn’t sure if I had possibly decided to submit it in a different form for paid publication to this other site and so did not want to make any initial accusations. He then went ballistic about the whole thing and said I should expose her because she was not only getting away with plagiarism but also making money out of it.

I have no clue what it costs for these e-books and how much the actual money aspect might affect readers in terms of feeling “ripped off,” but clearly both of these readers had that “ripped off “ feeling. I certainly don’t want to trash any other author or make a big issue out of this but there is a principle involved here now. I also don’t want to have to get these mails from readers who clearly have the initial feeling that I might have plagiarized someone else’s work. Why there should be the notion that it’s more likely that an author who publishes for free would copy the work of someone who charges and not the other way around, I don’t know but it obviously exists.

So what’s the best route to go? Contact Laurel with my tale of woe? Or… Any other suggestions?

Well let me start out that Im not going to judge the other writer because I dont know there storie or facts. But it sure sounds like they did copy your story so it does need to be reported (its the responsable thing to do).

But at least you have the right frame of mind about it and that is that you are not going to loose any sleep on it, and that is good.

The thing that gets to me is the e-mails from the other readers, yes they got took for there money but that is NOT YOUR PROBLEM its there's and they should not be taking it out on you, it needs to be taken out on the other writer.

But one thing that I would like to know is which one of your stories was so damn good (ok great) that the other writer had to copy? Because I see that you have several of them for me to read so I would like to know which one I should start with. :rose:
 
Similarities in plot can be--and usually are--coincidence. Dialogue that is verbatim or only slightly paraphrased is way beyond suspicious. It's impossible to be certain without reading both stories, but it sounds very much like someone ripped off your story. I would most definitely contact Laurel at once.

If you'd like a quick (and, by necessity, oversimplified) explanation of the standards and the remedies for copyright violation, you might like to check out www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html
 
Green_Gem said:
I have this problem that’s emerged with one of my stories and I was wondering what the best thing to do would be.

I skimmed through what was available and saw that there were areas where the story was identical, particularly as far as where the dialogue was concerned. In some cases it was almost word for word, the same.

Contact Laurel with my tale of woe? Or… Any other suggestions?


Laurel will handle it, but help her. You can count on her being real busty, oops, I mean busy.

Anyone can read a story and years later write something similar, when it is identical or close you know it was copied. Send Laurel the areas where it is identical pointed out and she can act quickly. She will not have to read the whole story, she can forward those parts immediately and have it pulled from any site.

As far as the other author/copier making money, you would have to spend money to do anything about that, legal fees, time wasted, etc.

Its up to you to decide, but you do have some consolation no matter what you do. Someone thought your work was good enough to steal

:heart:
 
If I find my stuff reposted on another site for free I really don't care.

But someone making money off of my work and selling it as their own? Talk to Laurel and rape their bank accounts with lawsuits.
 
Thanks everyone for the replies, the interest and the support.

I've sent the details to Laurel and will wait to see what transpires. There have been some valid points made here. I guess there can be some 'unconscious plagiarism' and similarities that are coincidence, but this feels in part a little more than just coincidence but I am loathe to make accusations. Anyway we are dealing with the internet where copyright is really difficult to enforce and very few people could/would throw money at it, myself included.

In the past, on Googling my stories, one particular one has come up on incest sites where they place part of the story as a teaser on the home page where they advertise their site which includes stories. Obviously once people have paid they have full access to the site and the rest of the story if they are interested. From what I could see it still carried my pen name and there were no changes. It was blatant stealing from Literotica for their own site. I did PM Laurel at the time and nothing really came of it. I realize of course how busy she is but also that it has to be a major uphill battle trying to keep people honest out there. Nobody can possibly police the internet and there are always shrewd operators out there. And that's simply why I take a very realistic view of this all and won't get into a state over it or lose any sleep over it.
 
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What about non-plagerism?

This actually brings up another question: I've been asked by another website if they might post a few of my Lit stories. If I permit this, should I let Laurel know? The stories would be posted under a different (but similar) name. I doubt this would happen, but some Lit reader could see this stories and arrive here saying, "This website is stealing stories!" when it's not :eek:
 
I would tell Laurel as a matter of courtesy, including the other name, but the copyright is yours. Post 'em where you want!

Alex
 
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