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cherries_on_snow said:
someone must live in to go round and knock highly rated poems down a peg or six just by voting 1 on good poems?

Is that not sad?

May every person get the karma he or she deserves. Luckily I'm not here for contests (I'm sure most people aren't) but whose life is so pathetic that he or she competes by gaming the system in a poetry forum? Sheesh!

My only worry about such nasty behaviour (which is happening to me with everything I write) is that it might mean fewer people read it, thinking highly marked pieces are actually better.

Any thoughts on this?
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welcome to the club.

and much more importantly, welcome to Lit. :rose:

the voting means nothing. your very topic has been discussed, debated, beaten into the ground before you arrived.

the world has its small people . . . turn the voting mechanism OFF. :) that is my suggestion.

your poetry is good, a pleasure to read.

:rose:
 
TheRainMan said:
welcome to the club.

and much more importantly, welcome to Lit. :rose:

the voting means nothing. your very topic has been discussed, debated, beaten into the ground before you arrived.

the world has its small people . . . turn the voting mechanism OFF. :) that is my suggestion.

your poetry is good, a pleasure to read.

:rose:
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Seconded. I've enjoyed reading your poetry, it's great to have a poet of your calibre here on Lit
 
cherries_on_snow said:
someone must live in to go round and knock highly rated poems down a peg or six just by voting 1 on good poems?

Is that not sad?

May every person get the karma he or she deserves. Luckily I'm not here for contests (I'm sure most people aren't) but whose life is so pathetic that he or she competes by gaming the system in a poetry forum? Sheesh!

My only worry about such nasty behaviour (which is happening to me with everything I write) is that it might mean fewer people read it, thinking highly marked pieces are actually better.

Any thoughts on this?
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You're real? Shit!

Welcome to the PDF!

:rose:
 
Sorry this happened to you, but it seems to happen to everyone. Me, I am just happy when I get reads.

But you are right, the only downside of getting a lower vote than you think you deserve is you lose the H or the spot on the top list, and so might not get the exposure.

My thoughts for you: don't worry about lit votes. Go out and get your poems published. Use this as a training ground, a place to experiment and play.

Welcome!

~willow
 
Willows_Tears said:
My thoughts for you: don't worry about lit votes. Go out and get your poems published. Use this as a training ground, a place to experiment and play.

Welcome!

~willow
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you're pretty smart ...

... for a newcomer. :)
 
 
Cheers. TY for the feedback.

*hauls the carcass of the dead horse away again*
 
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It's not just on poetry, look at this comment I got on a story.

"The use of the condom ruined this otherwise very erotic story. I don't know why you shitheads have to write a story that is fantasy and use birth control, but I assure you one thing...everytime you do so, you will get a '0' from me in a rating. And I'm sure, that those '0' will not make your average score very high as to what it could be otherwise."


The reason for it was not that the story was bad, or unrealistic or etc. but because I dared have a character stay in character and use a condom. Such fun. This fool even signed his name to the comment...

The story: Intern Affair
 
Decayed Angel said:
"The use of the condom ruined this otherwise very erotic story. I don't know why you shitheads have to write a story that is fantasy and use birth control, but I assure you one thing...everytime you do so, you will get a '0' from me in a rating. And I'm sure, that those '0' will not make your average score very high as to what it could be otherwise."


The reason for it was not that the story was bad, or unrealistic or etc. but because I dared have a character stay in character and use a condom. Such fun. This fool even signed his name to the comment...

The story: Intern Affair
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On the face of it, the comment is laced with namecalling(shitheads and fools), and this usually raises red flags to me regarding trollish behaviour or immaturity of thought.

Everyone is entitled to their comments, and their vote. Personally, I dont place any stock in the evaluation process at this forum. I have read her poems and can only encourage her to continue. I sense that the writer is having fun by engaging in the writing process. This alone gets me interested.

Dont let churlish "grades" get to you. Its their bag, dont make it yours too. Keep writing and enjoy yourself.

:rose: :rose:
 
People vote for many different reasons here, some of them actually have a relationship to your poem. :)

I don't sweat the one-bombers. Some mean it personally (for god knows what reason), others are not so much voting you down as trying to bring someone else's attention-getting level up.

Comments are the best form of feedback because you can learn from them. There are many here who will critique your poems or stories and give specific information about what they think does or doesn't work in them. That's valuable information from a reader. The rest is just chaff.

:rose:
 
Hi Cherries :)

IM Maria and I too, have been trolled and one bombed. YOu h ave heard from the people I admire most on here, and a few havent offered up yet, but it would be repetition.

I want to welcome you and say that is is indeed sad that such crap happens, and if you stay here long enough, it will become a non issue to you as well and you will be giving a heads up and hugs to a newbie in the same situation. One bombs suck and will always suck, as does anonymous hateful non constructive feedback. Youre strong, hang in there, when you ignore a troll, it usually goes away and also there is a system that flushes votes from the system on occasion. Maybe that will help you some.

:)

:rose:

maria







cherries_on_snow said:
someone must live in to go round and knock highly rated poems down a peg or six just by voting 1 on good poems?

Is that not sad?

May every person get the karma he or she deserves. Luckily I'm not here for contests (I'm sure most people aren't) but whose life is so pathetic that he or she competes by gaming the system in a poetry forum? Sheesh!

My only worry about such nasty behaviour (which is happening to me with everything I write) is that it might mean fewer people read it, thinking highly marked pieces are actually better.

Any thoughts on this?
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cherries_on_snow said:
Yeah, it's the latter I meant by "gaming the system." I sometimes read poetry that is at a quite sophomoric level (no real relationship between the theme and the structure, sacrificing everything for a simplistic rhyme, uncreative use of language) that is rated in the 4.9 range because the writer has friends I guess. It just makes me kind of sad to see poems that show evidence of more work get steamrolled for this silly kind of "gaming" that would be more appropriate to, say, world of warcraft or something, but even there it is frowned upon to corpse sit newbies.

I guess I'm just hoping for too much from the voting system. You are all right that the comments mean more anyway. I do, however, hereby pledge that any time I vote on anyone's effort with a 3 or less, I will definitely, as kindly as possible, give the writer private feedback about why.
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I think your compromise is a good one. I personally don't vote on poems that I see as less than a 5, but that's me. I think a 5 poem can have errors--typos, misspellings or a few images that aren't quite working, imo. I also have no problem saying I think a poem is great, giving it a 5 and then commenting that it needs editing. I assume most people want to hear that because I do.

If someone writes a poem that I think needs a lot of help AND asks for feedback, I'll give it (usually via pm or email) and be objective but truthful about what I think needs to be revised. I won't critique poorly written poems where people don't ask for feedback. Critique takes time and effort and many people here simply aren't interested in it.

Bottom line for me is that this is a site whose primary purpose is porn, not literature. There are certainly people here who value literature--in erotic or nonerotic writing--but most people come here to read stuff that titillates. Therefore I don't have the same expectations about feedback here than I would at a site that has writing good poetry as its primary purpose. And when you look at it that way, you can see why many people here vote the way they do.

:rose:
 
WickedEve said:
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=12030112&postcount=86
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=12607907&postcount=8
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=12816506&postcount=8
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=13479818&postcount=170
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=13508994&postcount=190
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=13532907&postcount=29
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=13530916&postcount=28
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=13520229&postcount=1
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=13735413&postcount=3401
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=13736906&postcount=3402
https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=16029074&postcount=49
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this is interesting, does it include the threads where those who have an idea to low vote as a strategy? I can only recommend that you 'SNOW' write for the joy and not the ratings and yes, there are a few that are called 'TROLLS' because they vote down poems for what ever their reason. But do not allow that to distract you from enjoying this site or the poetry that grows here. Like all gardens this site has its weeds and 'RAIN' but all in all it grows a fairly good crop of poetry.
 
Eve, you missed some of the comments from the oblong <biggrin'

such as... This Thread I think this thread reflects best the reason why folks vote the way that they do.
 
Thank you...

My Erotic Trail said:
Eve, you missed some of the comments from the oblong <biggrin'

such as... This Thread I think this thread reflects best the reason why folks vote the way that they do.
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Thank you Art for highlighting an excellent thread regarding voting. In the thread I especially liked Rybka's analysis:


I have posted my scale for voting before:

5 = a poem I wish I had written
4 = a better than average poem (for the poet if well known to me; for Literotica if not)
3 = average (for poet or site)
2 = below average (for poet or site) with few errors
1 = a “2” that is full of errors (spelling, grammatical, etc.)

Unfortunately I find fewer 5s than 1s.
I read most new poems every day and I vote on every one I read. I do not comment unless requested. Instead I send feedback about the poems I really like or to some poets whose work I think has promise, but might (IMO) be strengthened.
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I think it is reasonable to assume that when someone turns on the voting, they are interested in an honest evaluation of the poem (or story). I think it is reasonable to provide an honest evaluation of the poem by voting.

Unfortunately it appears that some people think, regardless of the quality of the poem, if someone votes something less than a 5 on a poem they are somehow unfairly soiling the poem and the poet who wrote it.

I think if everyone followed Rybka's model (or something similar) the top lists and average scores would mean something. To that end I will continue to vote based on my honest evaluation of the poem or story I read.

As Cherries on Snow has experienced, not everyone will do that, so it seems the system will always have flaws.


jim : )
 
jthserra said:
Thank you Art for highlighting an excellent thread regarding voting. In the thread I especially liked Rybka's analysis:





I think it is reasonable to assume that when someone turns on the voting, they are interested in an honest evaluation of the poem (or story). I think it is reasonable to provide an honest evaluation of the poem by voting.

Unfortunately it appears that some people think, regardless of the quality of the poem, if someone votes something less than a 5 on a poem they are somehow unfairly soiling the poem and the poet who wrote it.

I think if everyone followed Rybka's model (or something similar) the top lists and average scores would mean something. To that end I will continue to vote based on my honest evaluation of the poem or story I read.

As Cherries on Snow has experienced, not everyone will do that, so it seems the system will always have flaws.


jim : )
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well, there may be a small difference in those who vote with a system that his slightly harsh and those whom seek to damage a literary creation out of jealousy, ego or other emotional hang ups such as a teen would scratch the paint of a new sports car with their key, their purpose unclear but still damaging just the same.

As in cherries_on_snow's case, a new poet with very good poems displayed, why would some one give them a 1 vote? They must live... in a small sad world <grin This has been going on a lot longer than I have been here, 3 years, what does that say? You have been here longer than I, any ideas? Perhaps a strange cycle? Reguardless, I think the low voting system and harsh critics has kept this forum from growing.

You can catch more flys with honey, although bullshit works well too <grin
 
My biggest problem with the voting always was getting a one or two and no offer of how to improve the poem. I still believe that a very low score should come with some type of comment.

I have at times posted poems I knew were substandard to my usual work, I did this as an experiment ( i refer to my poem, aseptic tanka, which was funny as hell and offended 99% of the readers)and expected them to be one'd or 2's and still got the suck up votes, that also seemed unrealistic, and also funny.

I vote what I think the poem deserves, not what the poet thinks his/her work should get, but if I ever leave a 3 or less, I leave a reason why and a five also gets a reason why even if its just because I liked the flow, or the word choice or something equally as simple. I am not smart enough to leave detailed critique like some of the master poets here do, so I sit back, read and try to learn.

I dont put much stock in the votes because I had poems voted down that had perfect scores, it just happened that it was time for monthly nominations to come in and thats whan someone decided my work was substandard. With no comments, screw it, this is a porn site, and sad to say, lots of my garden poems just dont "get folks off" lol...

I dont lose any sleep over it now cause I dont base my own self worth on votes my poetry has accumulated and if low voting gives someone an ego boost at my expense, hell, let them have it. Im not gonna go trolling, or crying or pull my work because of it, I have pulled work before because my feelings were hurt, but I have matured since then :p


I think


smile, its just a poll

:heart:

g_g
 
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ohh, that being said, I am going to begin posting a ton of my older poems just to have a place to keep them,. I am so paranoid about my computer since the last one died and i lost so much of my stuff. That will give everyone an opportunity to slam me, suck up ( though it will do you o good, unless you just like to suck), or just ignore me, I cant wait to see what happens, being the glutton for punishment that I am, and the new people who dont know me might just have some good advice for this old soul

:heart:

I bet Laurel is gonna LOVE this, when I submit about 50 in one day, who ever reviews that day can skip my stuff, okay? I ownt be upset

:rose:

g_g
 
My Erotic Trail said:
well, there may be a small difference in those who vote with a system that his slightly harsh and those whom seek to damage a literary creation out of jealousy, ego or other emotional hang ups such as a teen would scratch the paint of a new sports car with their key, their purpose unclear but still damaging just the same.

As in cherries_on_snow's case, a new poet with very good poems displayed, why would some one give them a 1 vote? They must live... in a small sad world <grin This has been going on a lot longer than I have been here, 3 years, what does that say? You have been here longer than I, any ideas? Perhaps a strange cycle? Reguardless, I think the low voting system and harsh critics has kept this forum from growing.

You can catch more flys with honey, although bullshit works well too <grin
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I've been here longer than jthserra, and it was going on when I came, too. I don't think it's all out of vindictiveness, either. Some people have friends who post poems or they want their own poems to make the top list, so they one-bomb the poems that seem to be standing in the way of that.

Backbiting goes on everywhere, in every field. I've been at other forums that are dedicated to poetry and it goes on in those places, too, albeit more subtly. The most important thing for newcomers to remember here (or on any forum, imo) is that votes mostly bear no relationship to the quality of one's writing.

:rose:
 
Don't let your self worth as a poet rest on a 1 to 5 vote system for a contest that brings nothing more than a mention at the end of webpage and maybe a little blue W at the end of the year.
 
ghost_girl said:
ohh, that being said, I am going to begin posting a ton of my older poems just to have a place to keep them,. I am so paranoid about my computer since the last one died and i lost so much of my stuff. That will give everyone an opportunity to slam me, suck up ( though it will do you o good, unless you just like to suck), or just ignore me, I cant wait to see what happens, being the glutton for punishment that I am, and the new people who dont know me might just have some good advice for this old soul

:heart:

I bet Laurel is gonna LOVE this, when I submit about 50 in one day, who ever reviews that day can skip my stuff, okay? I ownt be upset

:rose:

g_g
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OMG ~ Please don't!!!!!! At the very least, if you have some you're especially pleased with, submit only one or two a day. That way they'll have a chance of at least being read. :D

Now I'll be waiting in dread till Wednesday comes around to see if your promised load hits when I'm doing the reviews ... ... ... because I really do read 'em all! :eek:
 
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