What is TOO much for even LITEROTICA?

[goomba]

I submitted a lengthy story a while back and have been told by literotica that they wouldnt publish it, and paraphrasing here, because the ending was considered to be 'illegal'.

Question is that if it is alright for something to be shown in movies and also in other sites, I was wondering why it would be too taboo for here? I am not bitter about the decision and I can respect it, i was really just looking to get the story out there to more people cause the people that I have shown it to have told me that its an awesome piece and that needs to be published.

that being said, if it is the 'ending' that is the cause for the non-publish ruling from literotica, is there ANY other venue or avenue to get this out to the people? Im my eyes, the ending is what makes the story and for integrity I cannot and will not change it.

Again, is there any other avenue, other than thur self-publishing, to get out things that might be considered taboo even by literotica standards.

and to answer a probable question, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with children or animals

 

[Wildcard Ky]

Rape is depicted in movies, but it isn't something that LIT will print. There is a section for stories titled "Non consent", but at some point in the story, there must be consent in order for LIT to post it.

If there is an unwilling participant, that never becomes willing in the story, it is over the line for LIT.

 

[Liar]

If it's over the line for Lit then it is. Good to see you are not being an ass about it like so many others before you.

There is a bunch of other sites that allows content that Lit wouldn't publish. Storiesonline.net for instance. It has a pretty fair amount of readers, and would probably host your story.

Good luck.

 

[goomba]

dunno if this is allowed BUT

if either of you--or anyone--would like to read it, i really am looking for some honest opinions on the story and would love to send it to you. just contact me thru here and I will get it out to you

oh it isnt about rape either, i just really dont want to say 'what' cause then it would ruin the ending for those that wish to read it. KWIM?

 

[Weird Harold]

and to answer a probable question, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with children or animals

Lit also refuses to publish "Snuff" stories and many stories with Gratuitious Violence.

As for other venues to publish, there are numerous other story sites on the web and most of them have much lower editorial standards as to content.

If you're looking to get it published in hardcopy, get an agent to shop it to mainline publishers.

 

[carsonshepherd]

oops, wrong thread

 

[Guest]

I understand you not wishing to spoil the ending, but it's difficult for us to form an opinion as to WHY your story was rejected unless we know WHAT the story contains.

We're grown-ups here (well, most of us). We can handle it.

 

[goomba]

I understand you not wishing to spoil the ending, but it's difficult for us to form an opinion as to WHY your story was rejected unless we know WHAT the story contains.

We're grown-ups here (well, most of us). We can handle it.

The weird one pretty much hit the nail on the head. the ending has to to with a ritualistic killing . . .

 

[Guest]

The weird one pretty much hit the nail on the head. the ending has to to with a ritualistic killing . . .

Ah. Well, though Lit won't allow it, there are many other sites that will.

 

[davidwatts]

Maybe if it got toned down a bit it would pass muster. I have a story with a murder in it but didn't go into real graphic detail about it. Mine was more matter-of-fact and I spared the real gore, and I understand that's what they don't go for here. Good luck.

 

[goomba]

Maybe if it got toned down a bit it would pass muster. I have a story with a murder in it but didn't go into real graphic detail about it. Mine was more matter-of-fact and I spared the real gore, and I understand that's what they don't go for here. Good luck.

I understand what you mean here, but the way it was written is really what makes the story--I am going to try out that other site and see what its like. Hey I do have one story that made it on here

 

[Munachi]

Rape is depicted in movies, but it isn't something that LIT will print. There is a section for stories titled "Non consent", but at some point in the story, there must be consent in order for LIT to post it.

If there is an unwilling participant, that never becomes willing in the story, it is over the line for LIT.

Hm, I am pretty sure I have read stories where one of the participants never became "willing"... But then again, I guess it is a matter of definition... Anyway, it explains why some stories throw in a random phrase in which the rape victim feels turned on without wanting to, even when this phrase seems a bit out of place in the story...

 

[human_male]

I don't think Lits quite as open and free as you imply. Issues with your story, as you mentioned, plus pics being yanked for one reason or another. I suppose they don't have a choice being based in the "new" America.

 

[Guest]

They posted every chapter of my serial killer novel, Saint's Quest without a qualm...there was killing, rape and lots of violence in there, torture etc. Nothing ritualistic, I don't think, just the muddling of a man man...

 

[Pure]

correction

Contrary to what's said above, except by Danielle, rape and murder stories have been 'published' at lit.

The real line is involving children. And animals to a great extent.

Further, is it possible the story is technically(mechanically) defective?

 

[Liar]

Contrary to what's said above, except by Danielle, rape and murder stories have been 'published' at lit.

I could be wrong, but I think the qualifier is that rape or violence can be included as plot devices, but not in a way as to be sexually arousing.

That being said, both violent rape-stroke and sex with minors have slipped in now and then under the radar of the management. Since stories are manually checked for that (I assume?), and it's human to err, it's only to be expected that a "bad" story now and then gets in by mistake.

 

[NoJo]

Contrary to what's said above, except by Danielle, rape and murder stories have been 'published' at lit.

The real line is involving children. And animals to a great extent.

Further, is it possible the story is technically(mechanically) defective?

I've haven't had a problem my rape and "sexual murder" stories. I've had a problem with fifteen-year-olds, but that's another story.

Maybe it depends on the editor.

 

[Pure]

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[Pure]

no,

sorry liar, that just isn't correct, as witness sub joe. further 'sexually arousing' is an entirely subjective standard. it might be added that 'exciting' has a number of components, and the effects of violence, violent sex, etc, and not easily parceled into components; some certainly are exciting, and as meant to be (and are published at lit. and elsewhere).

i think in view of goomba's reluctance to 'show his cards', it's quite likely that the topic or 'types of activity' were not the issue, so much as the packaging. just my speculation.

example of a rape story, by blondefungirl. althought the narrator is a bit ambiguous about her own sensations, the reactions of the other women are pretty clearly not your typical 'reluctance to orgasm' fare.

http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=109463

 

[Stella_Omega]

I could be wrong, but I think the qualifier is that rape or violence can be included as plot devices, but not in a way as to be sexually arousing.

That being said, both violent rape-stroke and sex with minors have slipped in now and then under the radar of the management. Since stories are manually checked for that (I assume?), and it's human to err, it's only to be expected that a "bad" story now and then gets in by mistake.

Here is the reason I would not want to manage a site like this one.
I'm sure that Manu and Laurel began this site out of their love for porn. But the nature of erotica is to be stimulating, and distracting. Now imagine reading hundreds of submissions even when you don't feel like it! I can't do it every day, and I figure my libido is pretty high
Not only that, imagine learning that you have boundaries- that there are acts and ideas which turn your stomach. Now imagine being asked to vet stories of that kind. Imagine having to read each and every submission, especially to make sure your own personal boundaries are not being trespassed on.

I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Well, actually, yes, I would, but I wouldn't wish it on the good nature of dear people like Laurel and Manu...

 

[Pure]

ok,

and here's one for you stella, how would you like to be flipping hundreds of thousands of hamburgers, even when you don't feel like it?

or filling thousands of cavities?

 

[Stella_Omega]

and here's one for you stella, how would you like to be flipping hundreds of thousands of hamburgers, even when you don't feel like it?

or filling thousands of cavities?

Well... let's see. Since I never would become a burger-flipper out of a passionate love for ground beef- it would be a job that had nothing to do with my proclivities, you know? Flipping thousands of burgers wouldn't change my emotional connection to my food in any profound way.
Dental work is the kind of skill I would be proud of- thousands of fillings, thousands of smiles made healthy once again? I could feel fulfilled with that. Even when the patient is less than desirable, my work on his mouth would be my bellwether.

But you're ignoring my first sentence, in which I made this assumption;
I'm sure that Manu and Laurel began this site out of their love for porn. In other words, I assumed this site was begun out of an emotional connection. And that's what would wear thin, for me.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Here is the reason I would not want to manage a site like this one.
I'm sure that Manu and Laurel began this site out of their love for porn. But the nature of erotica is to be stimulating, and distracting. Now imagine reading hundreds of submissions even when you don't feel like it! I can't do it every day, and I figure my libido is pretty high
Not only that, imagine learning that you have boundaries- that there are acts and ideas which turn your stomach. Now imagine being asked to vet stories of that kind. Imagine having to read each and every submission, especially to make sure your own personal boundaries are not being trespassed on.

I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Well, actually, yes, I would, but I wouldn't wish it on the good nature of dear people like Laurel and Manu...

I used to think they had some sort of bot go through stories looking for hot-button words and patterns, but I don't think so any more. Still, I'm with you, Stella. I find the idea that some human being has to sit and wade through all these submissions to be depressing beyond description. Hell must be very much like that

 

[Weird Harold]

I could be wrong, but I think the qualifier is that rape or violence can be included as plot devices, but not in a way as to be sexually arousing.

sorry liar, that just isn't correct, as witness sub joe. further 'sexually arousing' is an entirely subjective standard. it might be added that 'exciting' has a number of components, and the effects of violence, violent sex, etc, and not easily parceled into components; some certainly are exciting, and as meant to be (and are published at lit. and elsewhere).

Actually, you're both correct.

The judgement is entirely subjective on Laurel's part, but the general principle is that characters should be aroused by the sex and not by the violence.

If a plot requires a villian who is a sick and disgusting person who gets off on violence and "snuff" and the villian's scenes aren't excessively graphic, a story might sneak through with a "Snuff" scene -- it all depends on the overall Story and how the scene fits into the Story.

Almost any of Lit's restrictions can be worked around if the Story is strong enough and the author doesn't rub the reader's nose in the exception by being too graphic. Still if a story climaxes (pun intended) with a ritual murder, it's pretty hard to pass it off as "The Good Guys Win."

 

[NoJo]

I find the idea that some human being has to sit and wade through all these submissions to be depressing beyond description. Hell must be very much like that

Which would prove what I've always believed, that the Devil has a better sense of humour than God.