What is the Allure of Lolita?

[lavender]

 

[Pyper]

Are we talking about a person or a concept?

 

[Smooth_Operator]

or the excellent writing of Mr. Nabokov?

 

[lavender]

 

[Weird Harold]

I would love to hear this.

It's the same as the allure of Star Trek -- "Where no man has gone before."

 

[Guest]

Small tits.

 

[kotori]

I would love to hear this.

Have you read the book?

 

[lavender]

Re: Re: What is the Allure of Lolita?

 

[Guest]

 

[lovetoread]

The forbidden fruit.

And the book was just awful.

I'm sorry but its not his actual writing that keeps it alive.

 

[floridaguy64]

soft voluptuous curves, un-fouled gentle mind and soul, un-swerving devotion to one's 'first love', a gentle touch, a gentle wholesome look...

shit! My lolita is a size 8-10, she desires true love, has kids yet wants no more, and has hair a-blaze with fire... my lolita is as old as me, yet also as young as me.

The woman I am in love with is my lolita, she will be forever young in my eyes... she will be forever wholesome... she will always be the light of my life.

Now where the F**k is she hiding?...

 

[Smooth_Operator]

And the book was just awful.

The story is weak, and the concept is pretty much repulsive to me. But I enjoyed the book, if only to listen to Nabokov build sand castles with the language.

 

[Pyper]

Time for Pyper's patented anthropological answer:

Lolita or the Lolita complex would be an exaggeration of the natural urge of the human male to have sex with a young woman. A young woman is a) more likely to be fertile and b) less likely to have previous children to support which would detract from caring for the children the human male instinctually wants to impregnate her with.

In our society, an artificial barrier has been placed on what age it is appropriate for a woman to begin having sex, when the natural age for a woman to begin having sex is as soon as she has completed puberty. However, a stigma is attached to intercourse at such an age, especially if the man is older.

An older man, younger woman relationship is natural to the basic human social structure as men tend to be attracted to women based of signs of fertility (attractiveness and youth) and women attracted to men based of signs of power and resources (more frequent in an older man).

 

[kotori]

Yes.

I kinda thought so, but had to ask.

I think it's a study in archetypes, the power of first love. It's only Humbert's loss of Annabel his first and pristine love, that cripples him for life. It's a meditation on platonic ideals; concept is the right word, because the book explores the "concept" of love, the "concept" of obsession.

 

[floridaguy64]

Re: Re: Re: What is the Allure of Lolita?

Yes.

I too have read the book, yet have not seen the movie...

BTW... the woman that is your AV looks dayummmm appealing to me. Is she free to date?...

 

[lovetoread]

The story is weak, and the concept is pretty much repulsive to me. But I enjoyed the book, if only to listen to Nabokov build sand castles with the language.

I just didnt think it flowed.

No matter the subject,if a book doesnt flow for me,I have a hard time finishing it.

 

[kotori]

And the book was just awful.

Oh I disagree. It's a beautifully written book, dedicated to Nabokov's new country, the USA. On one level, you can read the book as the old, dying world (in particular Czarist Russia) in love with the new, young world (the USA).

Check out the annotated edition, with notes by a guy named Michael Apfeld, I think.

 

[Phoenyx]

concept

Beeing Her first and the ability to mold her in any way you want!!

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

An older man, younger woman relationship is natural to the basic human social structure as men tend to be attracted to women based of signs of fertility (attractiveness and youth) and women attracted to men based of signs of power and resources (more frequent in an older man).

I agree with everything you stated - but I would add that those barriers are there for a reason; men, being older, wealthier, more experienced/knowledgeable and therefore more powerful, typically take advantage of women who are not yet adults. There is some validity to saying that many persons, mean and women, under the age of majority, are not yet mature enough emotionally and mentally to be able to give informed consent. There needs to be some age cutoff, and the US being a bit prudish, but more importantly concerned about protecting the young, decided to err a bit on the side of safety.

I am not even so sure that the age of consent is an error; most states define it as 16 in most situations, with certain further restrictions for even older males.

 

[kotori]

Being Her first and the ability to mold her in any way you want!!

yeah, there's the pygmalian aspect, but Nabokov handles that. Humbert isn't her first, pimple-faced Charlie from the boys camp on the other side of the lake is. So he not only dismisses the pygmalia story, but also relieves Hum of some of his guilt. She isn't a virgin when he takes her on their little road trip.

 

[sexy-girl]

pyper you're so cool ... i hope you're able to post on lit more often now

i remember your reply on my "what do you think about lesbians" thread shortly after i first joined ... it was a very touching scientific point of view of how homosexuals were natural in the animal kingdom and mother natures "helpers" for raising children


getting back to this thread i don't find any allure with lolita i find women mostly attractive around my age sometimes older but girls much younger just make me think of how cool it would be to be a mum one day

 

[literoter]

Hello all
I have always assumed that it had to do with the mans (?) desire to not be compared. With the innocents, there is no chance that they will come up on the short end of the stick so to speak. That and domination. Lots of us want to dominate our lovers but it is a hard thing to do when she is damn near as strong as you, goes to work in a power suit and kicks ass all day.

Personally, I have always been able to fulfill the role of Dominant Sexual Dynamo. All it takes is my partners permission and cooperation.

As far as the physical appeal, I dont know...

I'll take Lavenders AV anytime, and everytime.

Eroter

 

[*bratcat*]

 

[literoter]

I suppose that is right. Probably with money and security taking the place of the sexual dynamic. I have been down that road once but I think I screwed it up by teaching her to be confident and strong.
Idiot.

iterot

 

[The Squid King]

Well I wouldn't mind finding a woman a few years my senior to mold me into a better man.