What is good? What is evil?

[Never]

1. Good and evil are values created by society.
2. These values are not created consciously by any individual but are the result of social selection and evolution.
4. Good actions or traits are those that benefit society.
5. Evil actions or traits are those that harm society.

 

[lavender]

 

[Pyper]

So this is what you were doing while I was asking you if that picture is Lewis Carroll or not.

 

[Juspar Emvan]

"Nothing is either good, or evil, only thinking makes it so."

 

[Meltzer]

its all based on the individual. for example some people(sick ones) believe killing off certain races is good, and that those races are evil. while this is not widely excepted it does exist. i dont know this is way to deep for me to deal with tonight. i tried though.

 

[Never]

Lavender –
Are you saying I harm society and pose no benefit? If so, post a picture of your left tit.

Pyper –
I have answered your question about the avatar. However, we cannot assume I was doing this at the exact moment you were asking your question.

Meltzer –
If society has no influence on individual perceptions of good and evil how can morality be so constant within different cultures? In Islamic countries many consider it 'evil' for a woman to walk around with her face uncovered. In America few consider it so. Is this simply chance then?

 

[Rubyfruit]

You are pure evil.

I agree.

Pure evil.

 

[Never]

Juspar Emvan,
Juspar, I agree there is no objective basis for morality. The universe is inherently amoral and good and evil are human products.

 

[Sandia]

1. Good and evil are values created by society.
2. These values are not created consciously by any individual but are the result of social selection and evolution.
4. Good actions or traits are those that benefit society.
5. Evil actions or traits are those that harm society.

Language is a tricky beast.

I'm not happy about your choice of words, but I agree with the thrust of the argument.

I think I may have a quote for you. Hold on.

 

[Pyper]

Pyper –
I have answered your question about the avatar. However, we cannot assume I was doing this at the exact moment you were asking your question.

I see...

Can we then assume that at the exact moment I was asking my question you were having hot lesbian sex?

 

[Sandia]

Juspar Emvan,
Juspar, I agree there is no objective basis for morality. The universe is inherently amoral and good and evil are human products.

No. Good is Not Harming Others.
Bad is Harming Others.

As far as human products are concerned, Everything Is Human Products.

(My apologies to MNAB.)
(For The Cap.'s, I Mean.)

 

[Starfish]

here is an example of evil...

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104303


Here is an example of good...

I am going to auction one of my peices to dontate the money to Daisy.

 

[Never]

Pyper:
" I see...

Can we then assume that at the exact moment I was asking my question you were having hot lesbian sex?"
That's quite probable. Possible even.


Sandia:
" I'm not happy about your choice of words, but I agree with the thrust of the argument."
I was very deliberate in my choice of words.

" No. Good is Not Harming Others.
Bad is Harming Others."
Harming others is often good. We kill slaughter thousands of animals on a daily basis to feed ourselves. We kill millions when we wage war and that's good as well because we're protecting ourselves and our society.

 

[Juspar Emvan]

No. Good is Not Harming Others.
Bad is Harming Others.

As far as human products are concerned, Everything Is Human Products.

I disagree, I don't see harming others as evil. Are you going to tell me that I'm wrong, or are you going to tell me you think I'm wrong? QED?

 

[Sandia]

You're wrong.

What does QED mean?

 

[brisbon]

I disagree, I don't see harming others as evil. Are you going to tell me that I'm wrong, or are you going to tell me you think I'm wrong?

I live in a relativly small town, a few weeks ago a couple of teenagers got into a beef with a neighbor, they waited for the dark of night, when everyone was asleep, set fire to the neighbors house, and killed the mom - dad, and the two daughters, ages three and four.

They did it in a way that ensured there was not much chance of escape for anyone involved ... one of the little girls died hiding under her bed clutching her puppy ..... tell me again about good and evil.

 

[Sandia]

Your philosophy buddy sez:

1. Good and evil are values created by me.
2. These values are created consciously by me, with a little help from, social selection and evolution.
4. Good actions or traits are those that encourage creativity over conformity.
5. Evil actions or traits are those that harm real live people, or at least consious beings.

 

[lavender]

 

[Juspar Emvan]

I live in a relativly small town, a few weeks ago a couple of teenagers got into a beef with a neighbor, they waited for the dark of night, when everyone was asleep, set fire to the neighbors house, and killed the mom - dad, and the two daughters, ages three and four.

They did it in a way that ensured there was not much chance of escape for anyone involved ... one of the little girls died hiding under her bed clutching her puppy ..... tell me again about good and evil.

I think that is evil. They apparently didn't. Who are you to know which of us is wrong. And who are you Sandia to tell me I'm wrong, you cannot possibly know this thing you claim to know, belief does not equal fact.

 

[Sandia]

Or to put it in AD&D terms, I'm advocating chaotic-good.

Always my favorite alignment.

 

[Sandia]

I think that is evil. They apparently didn't. Who are you to know which of us is wrong. And who are you Sandia to tell me I'm wrong, you cannot possibly know this thing you claim to know, belief does not equal fact.

I am Sandia.

 

[Pyper]

Just wanted to say it's good to have Pyper back in town.

Aw. But now I'm leaving to have munchies and a shower. Possibly at the same time.

 

[Never]

Sandia –
The misuse of spelling buddy is a major violation.

 

[brisbon]

I think that is evil. They apparently didn't. Who are you to know which of us is wrong.

I understand the first part of your statement -"I think that is evil"
We agree ... I believe it was an evil act also. Yet you then go back to your original premise "Who are you to know which of us is wrong"

Not sure what your trying to point out here.

 

[Sandia]

Sandia –
The misuse of spelling buddy is a major violation.

Transgression... is good.