What is Critical Race Theory?

[Bud_Spencer]

James Lindsay has an excellent primer on CRT that is well worth the 90 minutes to watch. As he notes, it's basically Race Marxism, but the trimmings are useful to know and expose:

https://newdiscourses.com/2022/02/workshop-1-what-is-critical-race-theory/

 

[pecksniff]

John Oliver has a better one, and it's only 28 minutes to watch.

One important point he makes is that whole flap is a stealth issue, on which the "school choice" movement can piggyback. That is, it is an assault on the whole concept of public education.

I see it, together with Trump's election and the Unite the Right rally, as one of the inevitable reactions, and not the last, to the impending prospect of an America where whites are no longer the majority of the population.

In terms of orthodox Marxist doctrine, "race Marxism" would be an oxymoron.

 

[The_Trouvere]

James Lindsay has an excellent primer on CRT that is well worth the 90 minutes to watch. As he notes, it's basically Race Marxism, but the trimmings are useful to know and expose:

https://newdiscourses.com/2022/02/workshop-1-what-is-critical-race-theory/

I lack the time and the inclination to spend 90 minutes watching James Lindsay talk about Critical Race Theory. Whatever Critical Race Theory is, it is not Marxism, because Karl Marx disregarded loyalties of race, nation, and ethnicity. In the United States Marxism has not been popular since the War in Vietnam. Even then a minority of those active in the anti war movement were Marxists. I was active in the anti war movement. I thought Marxism was irrelevant to the War and to the anti war movement. Marxism did not explain why most white blue collar workers supported the War, and were leaving the Democrat Party to vote for Richard Nixon and George Wallace.

But I will humor you: explain what James Lindsay said in your own words.

Right now "Marxism" is like "racism." They are derogatory terms, used as insults. For that reason they are both worthless. They are not efforts to advance a needed discussion of a complex, controversial, and important issue. They indicate that no further discussion is possible.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Critical race theory is an effort to blame whites for problems blacks cause for themselves and for whites with their low average intelligence, and their high rates of crime and illegitimacy. Those who blame these on white racism cannot explain why black rates of crime and illegitimacy have risen since the beginning of the civil rights movement with the Montgomery Bus Boycott, that took place from December 5, 1955, to December 20, 1956. They cannot explain why black academic performance has improved little, despite expensive government spending programs like Head Start and No Child Left Behind.

Those who advocate the teaching of Critical Race Theory, make the ability to teach it seem like a free speech issue. Critical Race Theory is not free speech; it is indoctrination. Students and employees are forced to sit through lectures on Critical Race Theory, knowing that if the dispute the very debatable assertions of the lecturer they risk bad grades or bad job reviews. If they are employees they may even be fired. Free speech consists of arguing against Critical Race Theory.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I lack the time and the inclination to spend 90 minutes watching James Lindsay talk about Critical Race Theory. Whatever Critical Race Theory is, it is not Marxism, because Karl Marx disregarded loyalties of race, nation, and ethnicity. In the United States Marxism has not been popular since the War in Vietnam. Even then a minority of those active in the anti war movement were Marxists. I was active in the anti war movement. I thought Marxism was irrelevant to the War and to the anti war movement. Marxism did not explain why most white blue collar workers supported the War, and were leaving the Democrat Party to vote for Richard Nixon and George Wallace.

But I will humor you: explain what James Lindsay said in your own words.

Right now "Marxism" is like "racism." They are derogatory terms, used as insults. For that reason they are both worthless. They are not efforts to advance a needed discussion of a complex, controversial, and important issue. They indicate that no further discussion is possible.

It isn't classical Marxism, as I noted. It's Marxist conflict theory substituting race for class, or , as Lindsay puts it, Race Marxism. The pedigree of CRT is Marxism mixed with elements of postmoernism.

 

[pecksniff]

It isn't classical Marxism, as I noted. It's Marxist conflict theory substituting race for class, or , as Lindsay puts it, Race Marxism. The pedigree of CRT is Marxism mixed with elements of postmoernism.

I don't see what postmodernism has to do with it.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I don't see what postmodernism has to do with it.

The worship of power and the rejection of morality, ethics, logic, reason as smokescreens for acquiring and retaining power.

 

[The_Trouvere]

It isn't classical Marxism, as I noted. It's Marxist conflict theory substituting race for class, or , as Lindsay puts it, Race Marxism. The pedigree of CRT is Marxism mixed with elements of postmoernism.

If what you say is true, that is not an adequate argument against Critical Race Theory. It is an example of the Guilt by Association Fallacy.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

If what you say is true, that is not an adequate argument against Critical Race Theory. It is an example of the Guilt by Association Fallacy.

If being part of an ideological movement that exterminated 100 million people in the 20th Century isn't enough, then you might want to watch the video and understand how empty and baseless the rest of the religion is.

 

[Rotadom]

James Lindsay has an excellent primer on CRT that is well worth the 90 minutes to watch. As he notes, it's basically Race Marxism, but the trimmings are useful to know and expose:

https://newdiscourses.com/2022/02/workshop-1-what-is-critical-race-theory/

Since you and Lindsay don't know, I created a thread for your edification.

Critical Race Theory - Verified Facts Spoonfed to You in Video Format​

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Since you and Lindsay don't know, I created a thread for your edification.

Critical Race Theory - Verified Facts Spoonfed to You in Video Format​

Saw that. I'm skeptical that Oliver has acquinted himself of the range of CRT resources that Lindsay has, but I'll have a squint

 

[The_Trouvere]

If being part of an ideological movement that exterminated 100 million people in the 20th Century isn't enough, then you might want to watch the video and understand how empty and baseless the rest of the religion is.

Those who you call "Marxists" were not responsible for those deaths.

I believe that a political thinker should be studied for insight, rather than doctrine. I believe that Marx had two valid insights, and that he was mistaken about everything else. Marx never advocated the totalitarian methods used in his name during the twentieth century. Nevertheless, he did inspire them, so he is not completely innocent. During the twentieth century millions of people were not killed in the name of John Stuart Mill.

Rather than call Critical Race Theory "Marxist" explain in your own words why it is mistaken. I already have.

 

[Rotadom]

Saw that. I'm skeptical that Oliver has acquinted himself of the range of CRT resources that Lindsay has, but I'll have a squint

You can't argue with verified facts, ignoramus. Dispute anything from the Oliver piece.

 

[The_Trouvere]

You can't argue with verified facts, ignoramus. Dispute anything from the Oliver piece.

The Oliver "piece" did nothing but hold up opponents of critical race theory to ridicule. I was hoping for a rational explanation of why critical race theory is correct, and why opponents of it are not.

 

[Rotadom]

The Oliver "piece" did nothing but hold up opponents of critical race theory to ridicule. I was hoping for a rational explanation of why critical race theory is correct, and why opponents of it are not.

Your hopes are not facts. The video explicitly explains what's wrong with the anti CRT geniuses.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Your hopes are not facts. The video explicitly explains what's wrong with the anti CRT geniuses.

I document my factual assertions, using credible sources of data. If critical race theory is accurate, explain first of all what it is, and then explain why it is accurate.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I document my factual assertions, using credible sources of data. If critical race theory is accurate, explain first of all what it is, and then explain why it is accurate.

Did you even read his response before you replied?

 

[The_Trouvere]

Did you even read his response before you replied?

I listened to the beginning of it, got bored with it, and quit. Compose your own arguments.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Your hopes are not facts. The video explicitly explains what's wrong with the anti CRT geniuses.

It did nothing of the sort. It simply denied anything anyone's said about it was untrue, citing no facts in rebuttal. It was a comedy routine, not a cogent reply to CRT critics.

 

[Rotadom]

It did nothing of the sort. It simply denied anything anyone's said about it was untrue, citing no facts in rebuttal. It was a comedy routine, not a cogent reply to CRT critics.

Now watch the video.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Those who you call "Marxists" were not responsible for those deaths.

I believe that a political thinker should be studied for insight, rather than doctrine. I believe that Marx had two valid insights, and that he was mistaken about everything else. Marx never advocated the totalitarian methods used in his name during the twentieth century. Nevertheless, he did inspire them, so he is not completely innocent. During the twentieth century millions of people were not killed in the name of John Stuart Mill.

Rather than call Critical Race Theory "Marxist" explain in your own words why it is mistaken. I already have.

Marxism was the ideal that those butchers were aiming for in slaughtering those 100 million. It's entirely responsible.

One enormous flaw in CRT: It assumes that all races would perform econimically and socially in a way that would find them equal in the aggregate absent "racism." There is nothing in history or science that would lead anyone to conclude that to be true.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Now watch the video.

I watched about 17 minutes of it, until Oliver started spiralling off into school choice and a Florida textbook. It's obvious he wasn't ever getting to a substantive point. If he gets to a point in the last 11 minumtes,let me know the time stamp and I'll listen, but otherwise I'm not wasting any more time.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I listened to the beginning of it, got bored with it, and quit. Compose your own arguments.

You listened to his reply? Dafuq.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Marxism was the ideal that those butchers were aiming for in slaughtering those 100 million. It's entirely responsible.

One enormous flaw in CRT: It assumes that all races would perform econimically and socially in a way that would find them equal in the aggregate absent "racism." There is nothing in history or science that would lead anyone to conclude that to be true.

Unless advocates of Critical Race Theory defended the number of people killed by Communist dictators - and I think the number is less than 100 million - that is not an argument against Critical Race Theory.

I agree with your second paragraph. Critical Race Theory, and any complaints about "racism" assume that the races are intrinsically equal in innate abilities and proclivities. There is plenty of evidence that this is not true.

The fact that American Negroes have a higher standard of living than Negroes in any black run country in the world shows me that American Negroes have benefited from the presence of whites in the United States. The fact that the United States has the highest crime rate of any affluent democracy shows me that American whites have not benefited from the Negro presence.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Unless advocates of Critical Race Theory defended the number of people killed by Communist dictators - and I think the number is less than 100 million - that is not an argument against Critical Race Theory.

I agree with your second paragraph. Critical Race Theory, and any complaints about "racism" assume that the races are intrinsically equal in innate abilities and proclivities. There is plenty of evidence that this is not true.

The fact that American Negroes have a higher standard of living than Negroes in any black run country in the world shows me that American Negroes have benefited from the presence of whites in the United States. The fact that the United States has the highest crime rate of any affluent democracy shows me that American whites have not benefited from the Negro presence.

The 100 million figure is from The Black Book of Communism. Others put the number at even more. Marx wasn't squeamish about what would be done with those who stodd in the way of communsm, and what happened in practice is exactly what Marx called for: Liquidation. The violence and genocide is baked into the ideology.