What is a judgmental bastard like this doing here anyway?

[WriterDom]

I read Miyelo Ina's feedback and she gave me permission to share it with the board.


This feedback was sent by: Anonymous

Comments:

You sick fucking bitch, Let me guess you have a daughter... You probably have a perverted husband too. So do you get into this sick shit or do you just like to watch your husband molest your daughter?? It is people like you that should be committed to places where you can never be allowed around children.
Granted I like sex alot but...sick folks like you give people like me a bad name.You need to seek psycological help or maybe I should after reading this fucked up story. Tell your daughter I am sorry but parents should protect their children not molest them.
I will see you on judgement day........

 

[Lil-Brandi]

That is sad!!!

That is very sad. I take it the feedback came from a story she had written on that subject? I really think that is awful. I had recently written three stories about incest, "Oh Brother 1 & 2" and "Oh Daddy". Now let me tell you, I would hate to be judged by the content of those stories. I personally don't partake in any incest of any kind. I don't even have a brother, and though my Dad really is a handsome hunk of a man, and young, I have certainly never looked at him with lust in my eyes. It is pure fantasy in words for the pleasure of the readers that enjoy that subject matter. I think that is dreadful that anyone would, so harshly, judge a young lady's writing. Maybe he thinks he's God or something. I think his day is coming soon that he will be knocked off his high horse!!!!

 

[Mr_Neb]

Hey now wait a minute. If that poster had been just as strongly supportive of the story, no one would be complaining.

We write these stories and even if we don't explicitly ask for criticism, we post them on a board that provides and encourages that response. If someone writes a story with a controversial subject, then a little heat is expected. Certainly it is reasonable to assume that a story about incest is writen by an author that supports that behavior. (It is reasonable, not neccessarily accurate.) If that stirs up the ire of a reader, then so be it.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with the poster but I have no problem with then expressing that opinion. We writers have to learn to deal with criticism, no matter how intense. You can be upset by it, react to it, ignore it, consider it, but you can't (and shouldn't) make it go away.

Neb

 

[Comunic8]

But isn't the point of posting here and seeking criticism, to hear comments about style of writing, the story itself, even the idea? Not a social comment about the writer that the critic has no clue about. What part of constructive critcism is "You sick fucking bitch?"

 

[Closet Desire]

Couldn't agree more...

I don't think there's ever a place on this board or most places in life to launch personal attacks like name-calling. It's childish, rude, and assumes too much. Positive comments are seldom about the person, usually about the story yet negative comments are often personal ones.

I personally have absolutely no interest in stories about incest in any direction. However, being married to a psychologist who often deals with sexual issues I have learned that the foundations for people's sexual fantasies run deep and wide and are sometimes very, very unexpected.

Certainly, I wouldn't try to turn a work of fiction into an indictment of lifestyle on the writer. If the story doesn't float my boat, I don't read it.

 

[Miyelo Ina]

Just so you know, the story was about age-play... which I like. I detest everything about incest, about child abuse and molestation mainly because I know what it feels like. When that happens to a child when they are small, it screws up the way they see the world forever after and it takes a lot to unscrew it. You end up into stuff like age-play, D/s, stuff like that.

The story was pure fantasy and I never meant it any other way.

 

[Mr_Neb]

It's hard to filter criticism into acceptable constructive and unacceptable personal attacks. If you write and post here, I believe that you implicitly understand and accept that criticism is possible, constructive or otherwise.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Stories with children in them make me extremely angry, violently angry, which is why I only read here. I'm pretty much gauranteed that there won't be a "pedo" category. Older teens, I don't have a problem with, but if I see an age in it that is lower than 18, I'll let Laurel know and she usually gets it changed to 18.

I don't particularly like incest itself at all. I couldn't even begin to imagine wanting to have sex with anyone in my family, mostly because they're disgusting. Come on ladies, if daddy was Sean Connery, wouldn't you think about it at least once?

The stories written here are mostly fantasy. I realize there are some which are based on real life experiences, but I can pretend. Some people just need to understand the difference between reality and fantasy. Unfortunately, posting the "darker" fantasies of pain, incest, and animals are likely to get nasty email from the idiots who read them, get titillated (even if they are uncomfortable with it), then feel the need to validate their "righteousness" by emailing the author and calling them sick bitches. Obviously, if you hadn't written the story they wouldn't have gotten perky nipples, so it must be your fault you aroused them despite their disgust with the subject. Some people can't take responsibility for themselves or their feelings, despite how disgusted the feel about some things.

I would suggest that you merely respond politely, thank you for your feedback, I will pray for you. Then, if it's a private email not from lit's, block sender.

 

[Closet Desire]

Eloquently said...

...what more could I add? (sigh)

I didn't know what the story was about...age play...cool. I know we've had to preface some of our stories with a disclaimer to assure the reader that the actors are actually consenting adults playing a role game...usually with the woman wanting to be a girl again. Something about being powerless...yeah...domination without leather. Great stories but, more important, great fun for the actors. All about Closet Desire...those secret things we all want to do, but don't talk about. Shhhhhh!

(Big grin)

 

[Jake2001]

Re: Very Eloquently said...

...what more could I add? (sigh)

(Big grin)

I certainly agree CD! Muffin has a way of putting it into words that leave no doubt but without any bullshit.

Personally, I find the subject of incest a turn-on. However, I could never relate it to anyone in my own family despite having two gorgeous sisters (one was prom queen her senior year at college). Fantasies are just that…fantasies! They don't necessarily relate directly to our own circumstances or lives.

Some people are always going to have a problem with it though, no matter what the subject is.

 

[Weird Harold]

Hey now wait a minute. If that poster had been just as strongly supportive of the story, no one would be complaining.
...
We writers have to learn to deal with criticism, no matter how intense. You can be upset by it, react to it, ignore it, consider it, but you can't (and shouldn't) make it go away.

I have seen some of the authors, mostly the females, complain about what can loosely be considered "postive feedback" of this type.

Feedback on a story should be limited to comments about the story. Implications about the authors sexual preferences, personal habits, and moral fitness, are out of place. That is true whether it's "you are a perverted bitch" or "I'd like to fuck your brains out."

Your assertion that we can't "make it go away" is correct. We can however let it be known that it isn't appropriate.

The best solution is to ignore e-mail like this as being beneath our notice. The author of this little diatribe is reading the three threads on this subject with glee. He or she is thinking "Boy, I really stirred up the shit. Didn't I? Now, who else can I condemn to Hell and get more validation from?"

Personal assumptions, good or bad, about an author are totally out of place in feedback about a story. They can't be prevented because they are a lot of people on the Internet that have no manners. It does make me agree with Robert A Heinlein that bad manners should be a Capital Offense.

 

[Gingersnap]

Gee ignoring it hhhhmmmmmmm seems to me the best way to deal with this is not to post it and give the cretin who wrote it any more reinforcement.

Forgive me if I tell you a given fact. A lot of people do not find your type of stories to their taste. I include myself in their ranks. I do however say to the person who wrote that email, you crossed a big line making yourself as ugly as the idea you found so repulsive.

[Edited by Gingersnap on 01-13-2001 at 10:36 AM]