What if Ukraine wins?

[Saint_Ann]

Do they get Russia?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Do they get Russia?

Only the Ukrainian oblasts as Russia disintegrates - Bryansk. Kursk. Belgorod. Voronezh. The Russian Donbass, Rostov and the Kuban. Stavropol. It differs a bit as to what's Ukrainian, but essentially the Russians claim a lot of Ukrainian ethnic territry as Russian already. Basically, Muscovy is a failrly small state when you take away all the coloniies and other peoples land that they have occupied.

 

[Lazaran]

The first thing that would happen, is Russiaguide going on suicide watch and requiring a wellness check.

That ^ would be followed up with a Department of Homeland Security stakeout to monitor Russiaguide for a potential terror attack on Ukrainians living in America.





Beyond that ^ ???:

Ukraine would obviously respect the sovereignty of Russia and its internationally recognized borders - unlike the Russians” and the MAGAt republicans’ disrespect for Ukraine’s sovereignty and internationally recognized borders.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

These are the Ukrainian borders of 1919 - probably the most accurate overall

 

[ChloeTzang]

Beyond that ^ ???:

Ukraine would obviously respect the sovereignty of Russia and its internationally recognized borders - unlike the Russians” and the MAGAt republicans’ disrespect for Ukraine’s sovereignty and internationally recognized borders.

Exactly - these areas need a Ukrainian peacekeeping force and plebiscites, with areas wish to rejoin Ukraine doing so, and a 150 mile demilitarozed zone inside Russia along the border, the denazification of Russia, execution of war criminals, and the appointment of a friendly and peaceable Russian government for Muscovy, while the EU and China supervise the denuclearization of Russia and the independance of Russian colonies.

The Karelian Isthmus and Karelia need to be returned to Finland, that goes without saying.

It goes wothout saying that Agent Krasnov needs to have his complicity investigated. Is he a Russian agent, or just a gullible fool?

 

[Treeview]

This could be a reality if the Ukerainians pull off a few more drone hits that we just saw. AMAZING!

 

[Saint_Ann]

So...no?

 

[Saint_Ann]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy becomes the new Putin?

 

[Treeview]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy becomes the new Putin?

Hardly

At some time VZ goes back to his original career track.

 

[dmallord]

You've left out the Donald's piece of the pie. Like Gaza, he will want a piece of Russia as a transactional cut. Of course, it will be rebuilt like a beautiful Russian Riviera complete with hotels, lights, and golf courses... and an airstrip to land 747s [at least one from the Saudis.]

 

[dmallord]

Hardly

At some time VZ goes back to his original career track.

Comedy? Or dark comedy?

 

[Treeview]

He must know that its not good showmanship to laugh at your own jokes. He must have been laughing hard at the Oval office when TACO was having his 'cards' talk. LOL

 

[ChloeTzang]

He must know that its not good showmanship to laugh at your own jokes. He must have been laughing hard at the Oval office when TACO was having his 'cards' talk. LOL

He certainly has made Trump look like more of a fool than most of us alrewdy thought he was

THat can't have endeared him to President Taco

 

[73Seahawks]

I am staunchly backing the Ukrainians 100 percent ALL THE WAY. FUCK TRUMP and his ilk!

 

[HisArpy]

Ukraine cannot win. They can't win any more than the Native Americans could have won against the colonials and settlers.

The amazing part is the sheer number of people who don't understand this.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Ukraine cannot win. They can't win any more than the Native Americans could have won against the colonials and settlers.

The amazing part is the sheer number of people who don't understand this.

Or the colonials against the British. Oh, bad example.

 

[eric_erosfan]

Ukraine cannot win. They can't win any more than the Native Americans could have won against the colonials and settlers.

The amazing part is the sheer number of people who don't understand this.

France and the UK cannot win against Nazi Germany. Not without help from freedom-defending allies.

 

[HisArpy]

Or the colonials against the British. Oh, bad example.

The colonies prevailed because of poor supply line logistics on the part of the British. This is also what brought down the Native Americans after the government ordered the wholesale slaughter of their major food source.

Ukraine cannot support itself right now and is living off the largess/gifts of other nations. However, that will eventually run out. At that point Russia wins.

 

[colddiesel]

Ukraine cannot win.

This point is valid, however, neither can Russia. The almost certain result will be permanent civil insurrection with guerilla warfare persisting for decades. The Irish fought the British for centuries before they achieved independence, and that will continue until they get Northern Ireland. The ' Stans' have already moved from the Russian to the Chinese sphere of influence. Moscow has significantly increased its security forces within other 'minority' populations. Most important of all, the Chinese now know how weak Russia is, especially in the far east.

The Native American comparison doesn't hold water. Ukraine has a united population of 45-50 million. There were perhaps 20 million Native Americans who had no concept of unity or a common purpose. Disunity and disease did for them.

 

[Saint_Ann]

This point is valid, however, neither can Russia. The almost certain result will be permanent civil insurrection with guerilla warfare persisting for decades. The Irish fought the British for centuries before they achieved independence, and that will continue until they get Northern Ireland. The ' Stans' have already moved from the Russian to the Chinese sphere of influence. Moscow has significantly increased its security forces within other 'minority' populations. Most important of all, the Chinese now know how weak Russia is, especially in the far east.

The Native American comparison doesn't hold water. Ukraine has a united population of 45-50 million. There were perhaps 20 million Native Americans who had no concept of unity or a common purpose. Disunity and disease did for them.

You're calling for a tie. Could be.

 

[Lance_Castro]

It’s like the Klingons and the Romulans.

Savages.

One day they will become members of the Federation.

But not until Picard shows up.

And by then it’ll be those Borg fuckers.

 

[ll74]

It’s like the Klingons and the Romulans.

Savages.

One day they will become members of the Federation.

But not until Picard shows up.

And by then it’ll be those Borg fuckers.

Your brain works this way?

That being said - do you play star trek fleet command per chance?

 

[HisArpy]

You're calling for a tie. Could be.

Russia will never settle for a tie. They're expansionist by nature because their society requires it in order to continue to exist. Without expansion into new sources of food/wealth/population socialism always collapses inward.

 

[Rightguide]

Do they get Russia?

They get to manage the world's largest graveyard.

 

[HisArpy]

This point is valid, however, neither can Russia. The almost certain result will be permanent civil insurrection with guerilla warfare persisting for decades. The Irish fought the British for centuries before they achieved independence, and that will continue until they get Northern Ireland. The ' Stans' have already moved from the Russian to the Chinese sphere of influence. Moscow has significantly increased its security forces within other 'minority' populations. Most important of all, the Chinese now know how weak Russia is, especially in the far east.

The Native American comparison doesn't hold water. Ukraine has a united population of 45-50 million. There were perhaps 20 million Native Americans who had no concept of unity or a common purpose. Disunity and disease did for them.

So you're wishing for yet another Israel/Iran style conflict as a way to stop the war? Let's not be completely stupid, shall we? A covert war is still a war.

And finally, and you really should trust me when I say this, the "disease" that will destroy Ukraine will be radiation sickness and it will extend beyond the border. There's already talk about Ukraine getting nukes, despite the nuclear non-proliferation agreements, and even sending precursor parts to Ukraine will only escalate things beyond the point of no return. Ukraine will NEVER have nukes because the moment they try there will be no Ukraine.

And once there's no Ukraine, there's no Poland or Germany. And once those are gone the way of the Geiger Counter, there will be no Europe either, thanks to NATO and stupid gits who "believe."