What are your thoughts on the treatment of illegal immigrants?

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Seriously, what are your thoughts on how they are treated and how you think they should be treated?

Everything from feeding them, hospitalizing them, clothing them, housing them, giving them jobs everything.

I want to see how screwed up my view is.

 

[plasticman33]

Great solution. Shoot them all! Save millions in tax payers dollars!

 

[Rambling Rose]

Let them eat cake. Yours.

 

[Phoenyx]

Ship em all home. What about those who do everything legally to get to north America?

Why should they suffer because some people jumped the line.

 

[kotori]

Ship them all to the Maritimes

 

[Guest]

Statue of Liberty?

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

- Emma Lazarus

Motto inscribed on the Statue of Lberty.

Have we forgotten what America stands for? Do we now close our doors because we are already inside and don't want others to share? Were those sentiments real or just propaganda?

 

[Phoenyx]

I think there is a big difference with legal imigration and illegal imigration.

Why should legal imigrants to Canada and the united states Take months to fill in all the paper work and tests and what ever and some illegal come in and bypasses everything.

Its unfair to those who do it legally.

 

[Starblayde]

Ones who apply for non-selfish reasons or who are genuinely running from oppression? No Probs.

Ones who want to come here 'cos they think they'll get an easier life in a richer country and live on handouts? Put 'em in a big field, with a rather large bomb in the middle.

And I'm english, so we only really have to worry about eastern europeans coming through the Channel Tunnel on the underside of Le EuroStar... Flordia gets like 1Million hispanic illegal immigrants a year... so who are we to complain about too many illegal immigrants?

 

[Guest]

I think there is a big difference with legal imigration and illegal imigration.

Why should legal imigrants to Canada and the united states Take months to fill in all the paper work and tests and what ever and some illegal come in and bypasses everything.

Its unfair to those who do it legally.

So you don't want huddled masses only middle classes.

 

[Phoenyx]

So you don't want huddled masses only middle classes.

there are lots of lower class masses comming to canada who do it legally. Its simply unfair to them when someone does it illegally.
They wait in line while paperwork is processed while other jump it.

 

[Guest]

there are lots of lower class masses comming to canada who do it legally. Its simply unfair to them when someone does it illegally.
They wait in line while paperwork is processed while other jump it.

Well let Canada shut her doors, I like to think that America is still the land of opportunity where everyone is welcome as long as they are willing to work. If it's changed then we should put a disclaimer on the Statue of Liberty and have her wave goodby instead.

 

[Weird Harold]

I like to think that America is still the land of opportunity where everyone is welcome as long as they are willing to work.

I would prefer to think America welcomes anyone who will abide by our laws!

Nonbody in this thread has advocated excluding anyone form immigration to the US, except those who ignore our immigration laws and take jobs from those who take the time and effort to follow the laws.

 

[Shockdoctor]

I have to agree with Pheonyx. If they come in legally fine, but if they come in illegally and then expect to get handouts and live off of tax payer funded social programs they should get shipped back home. Or put on a ship in the middle of the ocean and used for submarine torpedo target practice....

I fail to see how letting them in the country through legal channels only is the same thing as closing the borders.

 

[Guest]

It's a myth that immigrants take jobs away from Americans. True refugees are so glad to be out of harm's way that they will do anything, dig ditches, clean toilets, anything to make a living and be able to stay here. Their gratitude to America is boundless. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with some of these refugees before you start slandering them or their motives.

If America has changed so much that those so poor they can't afford to come except as stowaways are turned away just because they are poor, then what does America represent?

 

[Shockdoctor]

Unregistered, why don't you post under your name? I never understand the need to hide behind the Unregistered name.

The comment made was that those who come in illegally take jobs away from those who come in legally. Think about it. If a poor immigrant comes in through legal channels and is willing to take any of the jobs you mentioned, but there aren't any because someone came in illegally how is that right? The illegal immigrant should be forced to go home and come back in through legal channels.

 

[Phoenyx]

No one is talking about stopping imigration.
Hell my parents are immigrants to Canada. But the did it legally, not by jumping the line.

They worked their ass off and installed that work ethic in me.

What I am saying and many others are saying is that dont let people who imigrate here illegally get quicker treatment than those who are doing it legally. IT is the moral thing to.

 

[kotori]

. . . then expect to get handouts and live off of tax payer funded social programs . . .

Yeah, all over the world, America is known as a model welfare state, where all you have to do is arrive, and the state has cradle to grave assistance. And all the immigrants know this.

They come to work. They never lift their eyes for fear of being found out. The do the crap that no one else would do. They come here and pay taxes and never ask for anything in return except to stay and do it for YOU again tomorrow.

 

[Shockdoctor]

Kotori, I'm not sure if I am reading the second half of your post right. If I am let me say that I never said that all illegal immigrants come here to live off welfare and the like. I'm sure that some of them do come here to find work. I just feel that all of them should come through legal channels to get into the country.

We won't touch the welfare issue, that one could be a thread onto itself.

 

[Guest]

Post under my name? Why? Is your name Shockdoctor? I just happened to know something about refugees and wanted to give an opinion. Nowhere did it say I had to use my name.

I never said you wanted to stop immigration. You just want to pick and choose who comes. America was built by the poor and disposessed of other lands. Such policies have served her well. I don't think we need change that. These people willl make fine Americans if given a chance.

 

[Shockdoctor]

I meant under your Lit name, now don't be silly. If you want to hide behind the unregistered name that is fine. Doesn't bother me one bit. I still don't understand it though.

I never said anything about pick and choose. Anyone who comes through legal channels should be allowed in. ANYONE.

And not every person who comes here will be a fine American. Many will, but there will always be a few undesirables. And if they come in through legal channels, that is fine too.

 

[Texan]

Well let Canada shut her doors, I like to think that America is still the land of opportunity where everyone is welcome as long as they are willing to work. If it's changed then we should put a disclaimer on the Statue of Liberty and have her wave goodby instead.

Maybe we should just give her back to France and let France handle the societal costs of having completely open doors to anyone who wants to take up residence.

The Statue of Liberty was not originally intended to be a symbol to the “huddled masses” that they had a refuge in America. The statue was a gift from private French citizens (not the government) as a symbol of two countries that had gained their independence through revolution. The original name of the statue was, "Liberty Enlightening the World." Even the money necessary to acquire and build the base for the statue on Ellis Island was “private” money, raised in the U.S. In fact, the poem that now is engraved in bronze at the base of the Statue of Liberty, was written by Emma Lazarus for a fund raising auction in 1886, and was not placed at the base of the statue until 1901. Ironically, Emma Lazarus died immediately upon her return from a trip to France to tell the French people thank you for the statue.

Emma Lazarus was a very wealthy Jewish woman in New York City. Her cause celeb, was the establishment of a homeland and repatriation of Jews to Palestine. She founded an organization called, “The Society for the Improvement and Colonization of East European Jews”. Ms Lazarus was a social engineer of the highest order. But it should be noted that the New York City of her day was a city of only one million people.

In the 101 years since Emma Lazarus’ poem was placed at the base of the Statue of Liberty, there have been two world wars, Israel has become a nation in Palestine, France has become part of a European Union, and the city of New York has grown by over 800%. It should also be noted that there are currently more illegal immigrants entering this country every year, than entered during the entire 15 years between the time the Statue of Liberty was accepted by Grover Cleveland and the time Emma Lazarus’ poem was placed at its base. The poem by Emma Lazarus has become a beautiful historic relic, but can no longer be considered our national “mission statement.”

Just my thoughts on the subject…

 

[Starblayde]

America was built by the poor and disposessed of other lands. Such policies have served her well. I don't think we need change that. These people willl make fine Americans if given a chance.

America was built by people who needed a new start, away from oppression. They formed an ideal. Now people want that ideal at any cost.... some arent prepared to do this by the laws laid down by America. This isnt the wild west anymore. Heck, the Wild West wasn't even the Wild West...

Discover yourself a new continent and see how many freeloaders you get in 200 years

 

[Guest]

I meant under your Lit name, now don't be silly. If you want to hide behind the unregistered name that is fine. Doesn't bother me one bit. I still don't understand it though.

I never said anything about pick and choose. Anyone who comes through legal channels should be allowed in. ANYONE.

And not every person who comes here will be a fine American. Many will, but there will always be a few undesirables. And if they come in through legal channels, that is fine too.

I don't have a Lit name. I don't belong to this board. If you don't want peple interrupting your bigoted rants then fine. I'll go find a civilized place and leave you to it. By by

 

[Texan]

I don't have a Lit name. I don't belong to this board. If you don't want peple interrupting your bigoted rants then fine. I'll go find a civilized place and leave you to it. By by

unregistered.... I guess you're kind of an illegal immigrant to Lit as well. I wonder if there is a Canadian equivilant to Lit...? Maybe you can find a place there without going through the legal channels of registering...

 

[Phoenyx]

I don't have a Lit name. I don't belong to this board. If you don't want peple interrupting your bigoted rants then fine. I'll go find a civilized place and leave you to it. By by

Bigoted? Why are we bigoted?
All we are saying is stop illegal immigrants not stop legal immigrants. How is that biggoted?