"What a tear stained shock of the world....."

[Lasher]

It gladdens my heart to see that some of you are more concerned with how I may react to what you say than what you are actually saying. Very touching, indeed. I only wish I could return the favor. However, I cannot, but I would like to share with you why.

"And it's not even the beginning of it...although that matters little to us, the point being that we know what IT is and we know TIME and we know that everything is really FINE." Then he whispered, clutching my sleeve, sweating, "Now you just dig them in front. They have worries, they're counting the miles, they're thinking about where to sleep tonight, how much money for gas, the weather, how they'll get there - and all the time they'll get there anyway, you see. But they need to worry and betray time with urgencies false and otherwise, purely anxious and whiny, their souls really won't be at peace unless they can latch on to an established and proven worry and having once found it they assume facial expressons to fit and go with it, which is, you see, unhappiness, and all the time it all flies by them and they know it and that TOO worries them to no end..."

-Jack Kerouac, "On the Road"

It was a summer day in 1989 when I opened my soul to what Kerouac was saying in this paragraph. Almost at the instant, the weight of the world was lifted off my shoulders, and I have been oh so peaceful ever since.

 

[Slut_boy]

Lash,

The innuendo didn't go unnoticed,but thats not gonna be the point of my reply - even though I can't help wondering whether on this post we aren't perhaps swimming back out into the deep end - Anyway, I like Kerouac's philosophy. It promotes peace and an obvious tolerance of stress. Some people are a source of stress, and so if we can cultivate a low stress threshold towards others then we are in fact exercizing tolerance to others - which is a great philosophy I think.

I was recently chatting to a friend of mine about the problems that I have with Islam. I remember asking him: "Why can't the fucking Muslim's go into their mosks and whorship their god quietly?"

Of course in that simple statement there was a lot of stress - I was tired of all the conflict in the world, which the Muslim's seem to always be a party to, and I was tired of all the dogmatic fundamentalism which leads to the killing of people, in the name of Islam.

And then I said to my friend: "Why can't they just be a little more gentle about life and just a little more tolerant?" So his reply (and I had it comming) was to point out the obvious paradox that by pointing out their intolerance (of other people), I was actually just projecting my intolerance (of Islam). I am sure that this irony is such a huge fucking truth inside us all. And this is one of the factors (and I have just confessed my own guilt) which will probably always prevent world peace.

Thanks Lash (and anybody else who reads this). Do you see how this ties up with what Jack Kerouac was saying? His philosophy works well for individuals, but not for communities - unless, and this is my contribution, most of the people in the community practice what Jack preaches.

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[Golden]

not sure I follow, Slut_Boy ... if I tolerate your intolerance, do you become the less intolerant for it, or is this purely a perceptual issue for me ... ain't we just swimming back into the empirical end? In which case we will certainly disappear - as Hobbes and Locke did - up our own arses,

when I'd really rather disappear up Nicole's ... HE he.

 

[Gil]

Hey Lasher,

I've read Jack Kerouac, Tom Robbins and Richard Brautigan...

You STILL have a date with DCL at Jellystone tomorrow...oops, THIS morning, at dawn.

Who's your Second?

P.S. Oh yeah, and Mason Williams (remember him?); the one who wrote the instrumental 'Classical Gas' (for 12 string guitar) and ditties such as 'Moose Gooser's' and 'Dog Kickers'?

 

[Slut_boy]

Golden, that was quite funny *grin*

No, of course not is the short answer to your question: how can the attitude of anybody affect your intolerance. What I was trying to say is that I was criticizing these people and justifying my criticism on the grounds that they are intolerant of other peoples belief. I was, of course, being intolerant of their beliefs at the time that I said this.

Of course, the mere fact that we have now worked out that I am an intolerant son of a bitch, doesn't change the fact that Islam too generates intolerant sons of bitches *laughs*

Now where is Nicole's ass? Is there room in there for me too *slut_boy thinks about that question* Actually Golden, perhaps you should rather not say.

 

[Deborah]

Zuluboy ain't gonna like this one bit Lasher.

 

[Nicole]

Excuse me Golden and Slut_boy this IS my ass we are talking about here isn' it?

Now Golden you already know my ass pretty well

But I would have to ask do I at least get a say in this or are the two of you just going to discuss this on your own and then decide who gets my ass?

Now when you decide then please let me know

 

[Nobody Special]

Sneaking up behind Nicole and whispering in her ear and rubbing her beutiful ass.

"Let those two argue about it between them selves. Untill they make a decision, lets go and play a wile in the hot tub. OK"

Taking her hand and leading her away from the argument.

E

 

[Weird Harold]

Originally posted by Gil:
...Mason Williams (remember him?); the one who wrote the instrumental 'Classical Gas' (for 12 string guitar) and ditties such as 'Moose Gooser's' and 'Dog Kickers'?

Never met him, but his drummer was my doubles partner was my doubles partner on the high school tennis team in the Sixties. Mason graduated six years before I did.

My favorite (after Classical Gas) is the 'Prince's Panties'.

 

[Gus]

Of whom are we allowed to be intolorent in your scenario, S-B?
Islam is dreadful to its own - especially its women-folk. Our stupid Prince Big Ears thinks that they are fine!
Don't forget Hitler was tolerated initially.
How about the favourite - P/files? See other threads on drawing lines.
Be phylosophical by all means but watch out for the bastards creeping up on you.

 

[Rachel Picabia]

Slut Boy - are you dismissing the whole of the Islamic religion because it includes an extremist / fundamentalist element?

I have an extremely low tolerance thresh-hold for tv evangelists. The old lady next door to us finds some kind of comfort in the fact that she goes to church once a week. I'm not going to take that away from her because I can't be arsed with Billy Graham. I'm horrified that during the reformation 17,000 women were burnt to death in Scotland alone just because some extremist Christians reckoned they might be witches. That doesn't mean I'm going to dismis the whole of the Christian religion, out of hand.

I'm not going to never listen to the Beatles' White Album just 'cause a bunch of twisted fuckers in California misinterpreted some of the lyrics and used that as an excuse to butcher a pregnant woman and her posh guests.

I don't like the way the Dutch behaved when they moved into Africa. That doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss you or your country or every white South African because of it.

Every major text (religious or not) has been misunderstood or distorted by stupid or twisted 'followers' somewhere along the line. Doesn't always mean the original text had no worth to begin with. Many of Kerouac's philosophies are based on a twisted/Westernised interpretation of Zen Buddhism that seemed to fit in with his World-view for a time. Doesn't mean that he was a good Buddhist.

Sorry I'm only picking you up on one incidental statement that you used to illustrate your philosophy but I'm afraid I don't understand what your philosophy actually is. Please explain it to me in simple, concrete 'lay-man's' terms.

Incidentally - did you ever read 'Trout Fishing In America'? Richard Brautigan ends it: 'Expressing a human need, I always wanted to write a book that ended with the word Mayonnaise'. I use this as the basis for my philosophy of life. It's never resulted in any major run-ins with the local Muslim community (although they do sometimes give me rather a curious look).

Mayonnaise.

rachel
xox

 

[Rachel Picabia]

Actually - that last rant was probably aimed more at Gus than Slut Boy. I got confused. I'm only a silly girl.

So, anyway - when do people start bartering for my ass?

 

[Gil]

Bend over Rachel darling, this won't hurt a bit!

 

[Rachel Picabia]

Come on then, honey. Let's get going.

Oh, sorry, you've already started. I hadn't realised.

Heh-heh!

rachel
xox

 

[Golden]

don't panic Nicole I'm far too busy enjoying the pleasures of your gorgeous ass to give Slut_Boy even a conversation on the topic, let alone start bartering. Sorry brother, I do love you ) especially that gorgous pic yum yum

)but I got priorities!

And Rachel, well, seeing as how your only 4 hours away from King's Cross, I'm ideally placed - i.e. right behind you - to provide the gentle initiation you wil need... but given the albeit rather modest price she paid, Nicole may not be wiling to spare me, even to such a noble cause In which case, over to you Gil, as you seem pretty well qualified too .... Unless of course darling Nicole you'd like to come back to blighty and direct operations, You being the expert after all?

 

[Nicole]

Well Golden I DID pay very good money for you and you should know I get extremly Jealous

so I would have to say that Rachel is going NOWHERE near you

No offense Rachel I don't even know you but he is MY man and I am not giving him up for anyone

As for Slut_boy I'm not really sure how he got involved with my ass so I am going to leave that one alone. Don't want to cause any arguments between my man and Slut_boy

 

[Rachel Picabia]

Ah, shit! So, you mean he's out of bounds? Well, Golden, I wish you'd told me that this afternoon. I wouldn't have bothered getting that EXTRA LARGE tube of KY.

Sorry, Nicole, honey. Promise not to do it again. Why don't you pop round, sometime? I'll see if I can make it up to you.

rachel
xox

 

[Rachel Picabia]

Ooops! Did I say all that out loud?

 

[Nicole]

Rachel that is quiet alright you wern't to know, of course Golden is going to get a very big spanking tonight as he SHOULD have known better.

I might just take you up on that offer, of course it will have to be when Golden unties me, takes his d**k from up my ass, gets me off the ceiling and then gets Renee to leave me alone, so keep the drinks cold and I should make it some time in Ummmm ohhhh .......... September ............. is that alright with you?

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[Nobody Special]

Ignored again, Guess I should be used to it by now.

"She turns her pretty haed and walks away" -Joe Walsh and James Gang

Story of my life.

E

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[Nicole]

Can someone tell me how these threads keep getting tangled up???

Just how did my ass get brought into this conversation anyway???

Nobody it is a sweet offer and thank-you but you see I did buy Golden, and I do like the fact that he is into my ass (or should I say in my ass) so much

Thanks Babe for caring so much I appriciate it

*Hug* Now get your hand off my ass

 

[Slut_boy]

Nobody S, I think that you and I ought to accept that Nicole wants Golden, he is for her, and she apparently fits him like a.... (god, I hate cliche's although I must admit I do use them quite often - but thats because I know the book of cliche's like the back of my hand *I can hear a collective sigh from you lot*)

 

[Golden]

sorry folks the ass-tangent was down to me about ten mouse-scrolls back; writes memo to self: must try and keep Nicole's gorgeous ass out of some threads at least ... oh, and Rachel's still-virgin one too.

Now where were we ... my brother-in-law is from Turkey, a muslim and one of the nicest guys I ever met. Secondly, we had the hysterically entertaining experience a few years back of a French au pair from a strict catholic family who met an Algerian over here while working for us, secretly married him got pregnant .... and publicly of course converted to islam; the sight of the very large (240 pound) dark, shrouded and veiled woman walking hand in hand with my two little pink faced strawberry blonde boys to school each day ... entertained the neigbourhood!

ANYWAY - 2 nights ago two English football "fans" were stabbed to death in Istanbul before a match. The moral outrage in the UK press has been quite disgusting and xenophobic.. all based on the unknown ... there is lots wrong with Islam, and lots wrong with individual countries like Turkey for example; but the fundamentalism of the supposedly Christian Serbs is as disgraceful as that of, say, the Islamic would-be rulers of Algeria.

Bottom (sorry!) line - all intolerance - racial, sexual, cultural, political - is bad; most of it is based on ignorance; best remedy is discussion, travel, education, open-mindednesss ... and as a historian, looking back say to my period which is mediaeval ... on balance I'd say the world is just about getting more tolerant ... but it's oh so slow ....



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[Gil]

See Rachel, I told you it wouldn't hurt!

So...you DID read my joke/story on the women and anal thread. I'm so pleased!

 

[Dickfer]

Did someone say something about Nicole's ass?