"...we're going to have to fight [the NRA]." - Trump

[RoryN]

Sorry, deplorables - it's not an old quote you can pretend he never said. He said it today.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/politics/trump-lunch-nra-lapierre-cox/index.html

 

[phrodeau]

He also said that he would run unarmed into a school with an active shooter,

https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1498836349l/35137918.jpg

 

[Aglaopheme]

No “legislative framework”, but it’ll sure boost sales.

 

[RoryN]

(And, before the GB RWCJ gun nuts come in with saying they're not worried, here's a far smarter Conservative's opinion - and he is):

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.me...nra-is-as-predictable-as-it-is-hilarious/amp/

 

[Rightguide]

First off recall that after the LV shooting exposed the use of "bump stocks" the NRA was on board with banning them. The NRA does not oppose background checks. Note as well, these kids are dead today not because of the NRA but because local law enforcement and the FBI failed the American people. They are responsible. Trump doesn't have to fight the NRA. He has to fight the Democrat Party and their liars in the media, together they are the most destructive force in America.

 

[BobBalouski]

Too bad, so sad Communist China-backed #PityTheDiabled, just like all socialist/progressives tribes, doesn't have the guts to actually call for repeal of Amendment II.

Pussies.

That's why they also champion intentionally & tortuously killing totally innocent & completely defenseless little human life, simply for convenience.

Pussies.

 

[RoryN]

'Surreal' Trump meeting on guns left Republicans reeling, Democrats optimistic

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/28/politics/congress-reaction-trump-gun-meeting/index.html

 

[beew]

I might just be reiterating what others said, but did I just read what I think I read in the news?

That Trump expressed some disagreements with the NRA:
First of all, he wants to make it harder for those mentally ill individuals who pose a danger to themselves and others,
to get guns.
Secondly, he disagreed with the Concealed-carry reciprocity proposal.

In saying that, I wonder if these measures will be just cosmetic.
I read somewhere that even Israelis are critical of the fact that their waiting periods until background checks are carried out, can drag on to even 3moths, whereas in the US poof! You can get a gun just like that.

 

[about_average]

First off recall that after the LV shooting exposed the use of "bump stocks" the NRA was on board with banning them. The NRA does not oppose background checks.

to be accurate, they don't oppose some background checks.

 

[beew]

Pretty good article:


3 Ways To Elevate The Debate About Guns
Tania Lombrozo
*https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2018/03/01/588820238/three-ways-to-elevate-the-debate-about-guns

"Differentiate ends from means.
Trump and Sheriff Scott Israel do not necessarily disagree about the end that they hope to achieve: safety in schools. What they disagree about here is the means to achieving that end. Recognizing this can be a first step towards establishing common ground, and a first step towards asking the right questions.

Differentiate facts from values.
It's important to differentiate facts from values because advocates for different perspectives can easily speak past one another when they seem to be arguing about facts but, in fact, disagree about values.
Trump advocates arming teachers because he claims it will reduce harm to schoolchildren, he has appealed to a factual matter, and it should be evaluated accordingly. What's the evidence that [...] If Trump rejects an alternative — such as banning all assault weapons — because he values the right to bear arms or restrictions on federal authority, he has appealed to a value, and the criteria for evaluation are no longer strictly factual. Instead, we should ask whether this is a value we should hold.

For factual questions, consider the (social) science.
For matters that are factual —and only thise- the relevant authority is science.
Science can't be the whole story because scientific evidence, on its own, will not answer questions about policy. Policy depends on facts, but also on values.*"