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Inmate Found Guilty of Killing Priest
Mass. Jury Finds Inmate Guilty of Killing Pedophile Priest John Geoghan


Prison inmate Joseph Druce, center, points to his black eye while being escorted out of the courtroom after being convicted of first-degree murder Wednesday, Jan. 25, 2006, in Superior Court in Worcester, Mass. A jury rejected an insanity defense and found Druce guilty of first-degree murder Wednesday in the strangulation of pedophile priest John Geoghan, a central figure in Boston's clergy sex abuse scandal. Druce repeatedly claimed during the trial that he was being harrassed and abused by prison guards. He arrived in court Wednesday sporting a black eye and welt on his face that his lawyer said was the result of a jailhouse beating on Tuesday night.
By DENISE LAVOIE Associated Press Writer


WORCESTER, Mass. Jan 25, 2006 — The inmate who strangled child-molesting priest John Geoghan was convicted of murder Wednesday after failing to convince a jury he was delusional when he killed one of the central figures in the Boston Archdiocese sex scandal.

Joseph Druce, 40, was given a mandatory sentence of life in prison without parole.

After hearing the verdict, he looked at the jury that rejected his insanity defense and said, "It's all right. Good job." As the jurors filed out of the courtroom, he said: "No hard feelings. Have a good night."

Druce sneaked into Geoghan's prison cell in August 2003, jammed the door shut with a book, then beat the 68-year-old Geoghan and strangled him with stretched-out socks before guards could step in.

Druce's attorney argued that he was insane at the time and believed God had chosen him to kill Geoghan and send a message to pedophiles around the world. Prosecutors, however, argued that Druce was a conniving killer who planned the murder for weeks so he could be a "big shot" in prison.

"This state does not have capital punishment, and if it did … you would not be the person to carry it out," Judge Francis Fecteau told Druce during sentencing.

Druce responded, "I was chosen, though," before the judge told him not to speak.

When Druce was allowed to speak, he gave a rambling speech in which he said he killed Geoghan to stop him from molesting children. Druce also said he accepted his punishment.

"Hold the pedophiles accountable, as well as myself," he said.

The jury of five women and seven men deliberated for about seven hours over two days.

Afterward, Druce's lawyer, John LaChance, acknowledged the long odds of succeeding with an insanity defense.

"With the killing of a person, and when the defendant admits he did it, I think juries are very reluctant to acquit on any basis," he said. "It appears obvious to me that there's a mental illness there."

At the time of the slaying, Geoghan was serving up to 10 years in prison for fondling a 10-year-old boy, but was accused in lawsuits of molesting some 150 youngsters. His case helped spark the clergy sex abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Church after records released under court order revealed that the archdiocese transferred Geoghan from parish to parish despite the allegations against him.

In 2002, the archdiocese settled with 86 of Geoghan's victims for $10 million.

Druce took the stand and described a troubled childhood in which his father beat him. He said he was molested as a boy at a school for troubled children.



Jury foreman Thomas Wiegand said jurors felt sympathy for Druce because of the failings of the system that treated him.

"Everyone agreed he has a mental illness. It's the degree that is always the question," said Wiegand, a retired college administrator.

Druce said he was driven to kill after hearing Geoghan advising other inmates how to molest children and describing how he planned to move to South America after being released so he could resume working with youngsters.

"I had seen myself as the designated individual who had to put a stop to the pedophilia in the church," Druce said.

But prosecutor Lawrence Murphy pointed out that Druce spent two hours stretching socks into the rope used to strangle Geoghan, and made friendly visits to Geoghan's cell so the defrocked priest would not suspect anything when he came to kill him.

"He was not a mentally ill person, raging out of control," Murphy said in his closing argument. "He's a calculating individual who waited for his opportunity."

The prosecutor urged the jurors not to let Geoghan's pedophilia influence their decision. "No one likes pedophiles, but we can't go around grabbing pedophiles and killing them," Murphy said. "The law doesn't give Mr. Druce that right."

Even if he had been found not guilty by reason of insanity, Druce would not have gone free but would have been sent to a state mental hospital. He is already serving a life sentence for killing a man who allegedly made a pass at him after picking Druce up hitchhiking. He unsuccessfully used an insanity defense during that 1989 trial, too.

Geoghan's slaying led to sharp criticism of the prison system for allowing a notorious child-molesting priest like Geoghan to be put in the same unit as Druce, a convicted killer.



After Geoghan's slaying, authorities found serious failures in the inmate classification system, disciplinary procedures and investigative practices of the Correction Department, but no evidence that guards set Geoghan up to be killed.

The prison superintendent who ordered Geoghan's transfer to the institution where he was killed was removed.
Druce repeatedly claimed during the trial that he was being harassed and abused by prison guards. He arrived in court Wednesday with a black eye and a welt on his face that his lawyer said was the result of a jailhouse beating.

The Correction Department disputed the claim, saying that prison surveillance video showed no evidence of a beating and that Druce has a long history of injuring himself.



(What say you? How do you feel about this?)
 
VermilionSkye said:
not sure if I should feel guilty or not about this happening.




Inmate Found Guilty of Killing Priest
Mass. Jury Finds Inmate Guilty of Killing Pedophile Priest John Geoghan


Prison inmate Joseph Druce, center, points to his black eye while being escorted out of the courtroom after being convicted of first-degree murder Wednesday, Jan. 25, 2006, in Superior Court in Worcester, Mass. A jury rejected an insanity defense and found Druce guilty of first-degree murder Wednesday in the strangulation of pedophile priest John Geoghan, a central figure in Boston's clergy sex abuse scandal. Druce repeatedly claimed during the trial that he was being harrassed and abused by prison guards. He arrived in court Wednesday sporting a black eye and welt on his face that his lawyer said was the result of a jailhouse beating on Tuesday night.
By DENISE LAVOIE Associated Press Writer


WORCESTER, Mass. Jan 25, 2006 — The inmate who strangled child-molesting priest John Geoghan was convicted of murder Wednesday after failing to convince a jury he was delusional when he killed one of the central figures in the Boston Archdiocese sex scandal.

Joseph Druce, 40, was given a mandatory sentence of life in prison without parole.

After hearing the verdict, he looked at the jury that rejected his insanity defense and said, "It's all right. Good job." As the jurors filed out of the courtroom, he said: "No hard feelings. Have a good night."

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Druce sneaked into Geoghan's prison cell in August 2003, jammed the door shut with a book, then beat the 68-year-old Geoghan and strangled him with stretched-out socks before guards could step in.

Druce's attorney argued that he was insane at the time and believed God had chosen him to kill Geoghan and send a message to pedophiles around the world. Prosecutors, however, argued that Druce was a conniving killer who planned the murder for weeks so he could be a "big shot" in prison.

"This state does not have capital punishment, and if it did … you would not be the person to carry it out," Judge Francis Fecteau told Druce during sentencing.

Druce responded, "I was chosen, though," before the judge told him not to speak.

When Druce was allowed to speak, he gave a rambling speech in which he said he killed Geoghan to stop him from molesting children. Druce also said he accepted his punishment.

"Hold the pedophiles accountable, as well as myself," he said.

The jury of five women and seven men deliberated for about seven hours over two days.

Afterward, Druce's lawyer, John LaChance, acknowledged the long odds of succeeding with an insanity defense.

"With the killing of a person, and when the defendant admits he did it, I think juries are very reluctant to acquit on any basis," he said. "It appears obvious to me that there's a mental illness there."

At the time of the slaying, Geoghan was serving up to 10 years in prison for fondling a 10-year-old boy, but was accused in lawsuits of molesting some 150 youngsters. His case helped spark the clergy sex abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Church after records released under court order revealed that the archdiocese transferred Geoghan from parish to parish despite the allegations against him.

In 2002, the archdiocese settled with 86 of Geoghan's victims for $10 million.

Druce took the stand and described a troubled childhood in which his father beat him. He said he was molested as a boy at a school for troubled children.



Jury foreman Thomas Wiegand said jurors felt sympathy for Druce because of the failings of the system that treated him.

"Everyone agreed he has a mental illness. It's the degree that is always the question," said Wiegand, a retired college administrator.

Druce said he was driven to kill after hearing Geoghan advising other inmates how to molest children and describing how he planned to move to South America after being released so he could resume working with youngsters.

"I had seen myself as the designated individual who had to put a stop to the pedophilia in the church," Druce said.

But prosecutor Lawrence Murphy pointed out that Druce spent two hours stretching socks into the rope used to strangle Geoghan, and made friendly visits to Geoghan's cell so the defrocked priest would not suspect anything when he came to kill him.

"He was not a mentally ill person, raging out of control," Murphy said in his closing argument. "He's a calculating individual who waited for his opportunity."

The prosecutor urged the jurors not to let Geoghan's pedophilia influence their decision. "No one likes pedophiles, but we can't go around grabbing pedophiles and killing them," Murphy said. "The law doesn't give Mr. Druce that right."

Even if he had been found not guilty by reason of insanity, Druce would not have gone free but would have been sent to a state mental hospital. He is already serving a life sentence for killing a man who allegedly made a pass at him after picking Druce up hitchhiking. He unsuccessfully used an insanity defense during that 1989 trial, too.

Geoghan's slaying led to sharp criticism of the prison system for allowing a notorious child-molesting priest like Geoghan to be put in the same unit as Druce, a convicted killer.



After Geoghan's slaying, authorities found serious failures in the inmate classification system, disciplinary procedures and investigative practices of the Correction Department, but no evidence that guards set Geoghan up to be killed.

The prison superintendent who ordered Geoghan's transfer to the institution where he was killed was removed.
Druce repeatedly claimed during the trial that he was being harassed and abused by prison guards. He arrived in court Wednesday with a black eye and a welt on his face that his lawyer said was the result of a jailhouse beating.

The Correction Department disputed the claim, saying that prison surveillance video showed no evidence of a beating and that Druce has a long history of injuring himself.



(What say you? How do you feel about this?)
Well, the inmate sounds like he just liked to kill things and I think he pick an old child molester priest to kill so he could justify it. I would like to have seen him try to kill some 300 lbs dude in for anger issues. I think it would have been better if the priest lived and someone made him their bitch.
 
VermilionSkye said:
(What say you? How do you feel about this?)
I'm against the death penalty, regardless of the circumstances.

I feel for the guy who off'd Geoghegan. In spite of the "official investigation" I'm sure he was played for a patsy.
 
Hey Goddess... :rose:


How do I feel about that?

Well, in the end the priests karma went full circle...of sorts. When one does something to an innocent, and that innocent has to deal with it for a lifetime...and sometimes that 'dealing' can cause much personal pain and pain to those around them, one has to realize that the 'payback' on the other end can be quite...harsh.

It is a sad thing to know that he lost his life while in prison, but in retropsect, I am sure that some people will rest easier knowing that he will never hurt another innocent again.

As for the prisoner who was found guilty of killing him...I wonder at the motivation for doing so. Sounds like there was far more behind that whole story than the media put out.

I still think that karma will come around and even up things in the long run so perhaps karma has been working overtime in this particular case...hmmm? :)
 
kotori said:
I'm against the death penalty, regardless of the circumstances.

I feel for the guy who off'd Geoghegan. In spite of the "official investigation" I'm sure he was played for a patsy.
I wonder that myself.
 
I don't believe in killing people. No matter what they've done.
 
curious2c said:
Hey Goddess... :rose:


How do I feel about that?

Well, in the end the priests karma went full circle...of sorts. When one does something to an innocent, and that innocent has to deal with it for a lifetime...and sometimes that 'dealing' can cause much personal pain and pain to those around them, one has to realize that the 'payback' on the other end can be quite...harsh.

It is a sad thing to know that he lost his life while in prison, but in retropsect, I am sure that some people will rest easier knowing that he will never hurt another innocent again.

As for the prisoner who was found guilty of killing him...I wonder at the motivation for doing so. Sounds like there was far more behind that whole story than the media put out.

I still think that karma will come around and even up things in the long run so perhaps karma has been working overtime in this particular case...hmmm? :)

It's amazing how some things work out. I'm wondering what kind of treatment the priest had while there. Usually they're in harm's way being in the general public in prison like that.
 
VermilionSkye said:
It's amazing how some things work out. I'm wondering what kind of treatment the priest had while there. Usually they're in harm's way being in the general public in prison like that.
You are right. You really need to wonder if he was not placed in general population knowing some one would try to kill him. It happened to Jeffery Dahmer.
 
SeanH said:
No matter what.
So if a bloke robs and kills your parents so he can score more coke you still wouldn't want to kill him?


I'd be pulling the switch
 
VermilionSkye said:
can you tell me why, please? I'm asking in all sincerity.
I don't believe that I have the right to take anyone else's life. And I certainly don't believe that anyone has the right to do it in my name in the name of justice.
 
rimmy said:
So if a bloke robs and kills your parents so he can score more coke you still wouldn't want to kill him?


I'd be pulling the switch
Would I want to? Of course, it's human. That doesn't make it right.
 
in prison, rapists and child molestors are targets. Inmates know this, guards know this.
It's only a matter of time, and inside politics.
 
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SeanH said:
Would I want to? Of course, it's human. That doesn't make it right.
Was it right for him to do it?

We've all played this game before. I'm more shocked at your stance than anything. Did the nuns get to you?
 
rimmy said:
Was it right for him to do it?

We've all played this game before. I'm more shocked at your stance than anything. Did the nuns get to you?
No nuns, that was my sister's school :)
Killing people is wrong. End of the argument as far as I'm concerned.
 
VermilionSkye said:
not sure if I should feel guilty or not about this happening.

Inmate Found Guilty of Killing Priest
Mass. Jury Finds Inmate Guilty of Killing Pedophile Priest John Geoghan

No loss with Geoghan gone

Killer should get the death penalty....
 
SeanH said:
No nuns, that was my sister's school :)
Killing people is wrong. End of the argument as far as I'm concerned.
Even Sven Goran? :D
 
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