Well it seems its that time of the cycle again

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

seems there are a lot of christianity misconceptions, mistruths, myths and other misinformation going around again these days in the media and the internet.

so as Literotica's formost sinner/bible thumper/fundamentalist I offer myself up for ridicule and general guestion answerer if you happen to have any.

 

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OK...

You may or may not have been asked this before but here goes...

The claim is, Adam and Eve were the first created (never mind for now the being called Lilith ). They were banished from the garden and begat two sons... One brother murder's the other, now there are three. The murderer is cast away to lands afar and there takes a wife.
So, what did I miss? Where did this wife come from?

Don't mean to sound curt, really I have always pondered this question.... Thanks

 

[Weevil]

Okay.

If Jesus was so great how come he turned water into crappy wine instead of something like delicious beer?

 

[BlueDaisy]

Re: OK...

You may or may not have been asked this before but here goes...

The claim is, Adam and Eve were the first created (never mind for now the being called Lilith ). They were banished from the garden and begat two sons... One brother murder's the other, now there are three. The murderer is cast away to lands afar and there takes a wife.
So, what did I miss? Where did this wife come from?

Don't mean to sound curt, really I have always pondered this question.... Thanks

But the Bible doesn't say that He didn't create others after Adam and Eve; they just aren't specifically mentioned.

 

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But the Bible doesn't say that He didn't create others after Adam and Eve; they just aren't specifically mentioned.

It certainly seems like a pretty big omission to me! Why then, were A & E so special as to deserve Garden treatment and not anyone else? God doesn't practice elitism, does he?

 

[BlueDaisy]

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It certainly seems like a pretty big omission to me! Why then, were A & E so special as to deserve Garden treatment and not anyone else? God doesn't practice elitism, does he?

Well, He had to start with someone, and if He'd put in everybody He created, can you imagine how huge the Bible would be?

 

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Well, He had to start with someone, and if He'd put in everybody He created, can you imagine how huge the Bible would be?

Not to mention, as many times as the book has been rewritten and mis/re translated... Makes you wonder what else "they" haven't told us!

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: OK...

You may or may not have been asked this before but here goes...

The claim is, Adam and Eve were the first created (never mind for now the being called Lilith ). They were banished from the garden and begat two sons... One brother murder's the other, now there are three. The murderer is cast away to lands afar and there takes a wife.
So, what did I miss? Where did this wife come from?

Don't mean to sound curt, really I have always pondered this question.... Thanks

Very good question first allow me to quote the passage in ewwhich you mention

Genesis Chapter 4
16 ¶ And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.

many people run under the thought that cain, able and seth were the only children of Adam and Eve, but i believe this is a flawed thought, in asmuch as many different geneologies throughtout the bible imit many children and speak of the main ones that contributed to the main geneology and time line of prophecy from old to new testament. I believe at this time that Adam and eve had other children sons and daughters as well.

Sidenote: yes i believe the first few generation were incestuous relations, but also that God withheld geneetic abnormalities caused from such inbreeding until the population was diverse enough that the mating would note be problematic

back to your question, I believe that cain's was one of his sisters that he took with him upon his leaving the lord's presence, as the passage cited above does not seem to make the thought that he found a wife among the people that he would find but that he already had a wife with him.

does this answer your pondery, or would you like more of my thought.

 

[Image]

Re: Re: OK...

Very good question first allow me to quote the passage in ewwhich you mention



many people run under the thought that cain, able and seth were the only children of Adam and Eve, but i believe this is a flawed thought, in asmuch as many different geneologies throughtout the bible imit many children and speak of the main ones that contributed to the main geneology and time line of prophecy from old to new testament. I believe at this time that Adam and eve had other children sons and daughters as well.

Sidenote: yes i believe the first few generation were incestuous relations, but also that God withheld geneetic abnormalities caused from such inbreeding until the population was diverse enough that the mating would note be problematic

back to your question, I believe that cain's was one of his sisters that he took with him upon his leaving the lord's presence, as the passage cited above does not seem to make the thought that he found a wife among the people that he would find but that he already had a wife with him.

does this answer your pondery, or would you like more of my thought.

I'd very much like to continue this dialogue but I have to get off to work. See you this afternoon!

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

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I'd very much like to continue this dialogue but I have to get off to work. See you this afternoon!

just bump it up whenever you would like

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

When you open yourself up to belief, you can justify anything, no matter how absurd.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Okay.

If Jesus was so great how come he turned water into crappy wine instead of something like delicious beer?

because wine was the excepted beverage of choice for the culture and time

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

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But the Bible doesn't say that He didn't create others after Adam and Eve; they just aren't specifically mentioned.

I believe that it very specifically leads to the conclusion that he created no more after adam and eve by reading the the creation account of the seven days of creation reading it in english or even my lousy self taught hebrew

 

[BlueDaisy]

When you open yourself up to belief, you can justify anything, no matter how absurd.

I guess it all just comes down to faith.

 

[8ball]

Re: Re: OK...

Very good question first allow me to quote the passage in ewwhich you mention



many people run under the thought that cain, able and seth were the only children of Adam and Eve, but i believe this is a flawed thought, in asmuch as many different geneologies throughtout the bible imit many children and speak of the main ones that contributed to the main geneology and time line of prophecy from old to new testament. I believe at this time that Adam and eve had other children sons and daughters as well.

Sidenote: yes i believe the first few generation were incestuous relations, but also that God withheld geneetic abnormalities caused from such inbreeding until the population was diverse enough that the mating would note be problematic

back to your question, I believe that cain's was one of his sisters that he took with him upon his leaving the lord's presence, as the passage cited above does not seem to make the thought that he found a wife among the people that he would find but that he already had a wife with him.

does this answer your pondery, or would you like more of my thought.

In reference to the first few generations and incest....
The blood was almost pure. Adam lived how many years? Hundreds, I believe, if memory serves me. The impurities gradually worked into the blood and life spans declined in correllation to that. Just my two peso's.

 

[BlueDaisy]

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I believe that it very specifically leads to the conclusion that he created no more after adam and eve by reading the the creation account of the seven days of creation reading it in english or even my lousy self taught hebrew

Hmm....well, I don't know enough to debate the topic. That was just my thinking on the matter. Still think it could be possible, but....who knows.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

I guess it all just comes down to faith.

very true bluedaisy

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

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In reference to the first few generations and incest....
The blood was almost pure. Adam lived how many years? Hundreds, I believe, if memory serves me. The impurities gradually worked into the blood and life spans declined in correllation to that. Just my two peso's.

that is a very good observation 8ball, thank you for your peso's worth

 

[8ball]

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that is a very good observation 8ball, thank you for your peso's worth

Thank you for allowing me to participate in your thread.
Umm...where do I get my parting gift from?

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

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Thank you for allowing me to participate in your thread.
Umm...where do I get my parting gift from?

your not leaving already are you

afraid I have no parting gifts either

 

[8ball]

No parting gifts?! What a jip!

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

No parting gifts?! What a jip!

Sorry 8ball, didn't mean to let you down

 

[8ball]

It's ok, you didn't really. <grumble>

So, what do you think of the combo creation theory? Evolution combined with creation. That man evolved and Adam and Eve were the actual end result, or present state, of man? That this was actually started by God eon's ago. Just curious.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

It's ok, you didn't really. <grumble>

So, what do you think of the combo creation theory? Evolution combined with creation. That man evolved and Adam and Eve were the actual end result, or present state, of man? That this was actually started by God eon's ago. Just curious.

when i first became a christian from being an atheist, I actually believed along those lines, which falls into the theology camps of day-age theory or gap theory of thier being eons between each of the seven days in recorded in genesis creation story.

the more i thought it through in my logic and with the test it didn't seem to fit well for me due to the order of creation presented for them because there would be some pollination and food issues for various animals if there were gaps betweens the days that were years or eons in between, instead of literal 24 hour periods.

just my thoughts and observations as I have adapted and studied further into things

 

[phrodeau]

If a sacrificial animal is killed to absolve sin and later comes back to life, would it still count, and why?