WELCOME TO OBAMERICA: The Washingtonian: “Children Are Dying.”

[Busybody]

WELCOME TO OBAMERICA: The Washingtonian: “Children Are Dying.” “Because of nationwide shortages, Washington hospitals are rationing, hoarding, and bartering critical nutrients premature babies and other patients need to survive. Doctors are reporting conditions normally seen only in developing countries, and there have been deaths. How could this be allowed to happen?”

How, indeed?

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

let's sue him lmfao

 

[Busybody]

plenty of money for lavish WH parties and VACATIONS and VERSEAS trips and dresses for Mrs Toned Arms

 

[mercury14]

WELCOME TO OBAMERICA: The Washingtonian: “Children Are Dying.” “Because of nationwide shortages, Washington hospitals are rationing, hoarding, and bartering critical nutrients premature babies and other patients need to survive. Doctors are reporting conditions normally seen only in developing countries, and there have been deaths. How could this be allowed to happen?”

How, indeed?

Because only premature babies that were stupid enough to pick working poor parents should starve to death, right?

If those babies were fucking stupid enough to come out at 28 weeks when they KNEW their moms made minimum wage then they deserve to starve! Because that's how the richest country in the history of the world should exist, by starving its premature babies.

 

[Busybody]

wtf you talkin bout Willis?

 

[Busybody]

Because only premature babies that were stupid enough to pick working poor parents should starve to death, right?

If those babies were fucking stupid enough to come out at 28 weeks when they KNEW their moms made minimum wage then they deserve to starve! Because that's how the richest country in the history of the world should exist, by starving its premature babies.

can you explain WTF this means?

 

[unregistered]

 

[Busybody]

 

[sigh]

Drug shortages have nothing to do with Obamacare. They've been going on for at least a decade and are getting worse. It's all about the inability or unwillingness of the manufacturers to produce enough of a staggeringly large number of vital medications. Most of the shortages are in older drugs that have gone generic, so the profit margin is slim and the meds are being dropped or rights sold to other manufacturers who aren't geared up to manufacture them.

Drugs like heparin, propofol, pediatric trace elements, electrolytes like sodium and potassium phosphate for injection, chemo drugs like doxorubicin, methotrexate and cisplatin, the list goes on and on and on (dozens of drug shortages going on at any one time) and most of these meds are absolutely vital, especially in acute healthcare settings.

And yes, children ARE dying because of this (and have been for years before Obamacare was even being discussed), but your rage is (as usual) entirely misdirected.

 

[Busybody]

Drug shortages have nothing to do with Obamacare. They've been going on for at least a decade and are getting worse. It's all about the inability or unwillingness of the manufacturers to produce enough of a staggeringly large number of vital medications. Most of the shortages are in older drugs that have gone generic, so the profit margin is slim and the meds are being dropped or rights sold to other manufacturers who aren't geared up to manufacture them.

Drugs like heparin, propofol, pediatric trace elements, electrolytes like sodium and potassium phosphate for injection, chemo drugs like doxorubicin, methotrexate and cisplatin, the list goes on and on and on (dozens of drug shortages going on at any one time) and most of these meds are absolutely vital, especially in acute healthcare settings.

And yes, children ARE dying because of this (and have been for years before Obamacare was even being discussed), but your rage is (as usual) entirely misdirected.

plenty of money for lavish WH parties and VACATIONS and VERSEAS trips and dresses for Mrs Toned Arms

 

[Busybody]

where did SIGH go?

to work on arm toning?

 

[unregistered]

 

[Busybody]

sigh

 

[koalabear]

WELCOME TO OBAMERICA: The Washingtonian: “Children Are Dying.” “Because of nationwide shortages, Washington hospitals are rationing, hoarding, and bartering critical nutrients premature babies and other patients need to survive. Doctors are reporting conditions normally seen only in developing countries, and there have been deaths. How could this be allowed to happen?”

How, indeed?

They are reclassified as late term abortions.

 

[phrodeau]

WELCOME TO OBAMERICA: The Washingtonian: “Children Are Dying.” “Because of nationwide shortages, Washington hospitals are rationing, hoarding, and bartering critical nutrients premature babies and other patients need to survive. Doctors are reporting conditions normally seen only in developing countries, and there have been deaths. How could this be allowed to happen?”

How, indeed?

Only fitting, since the US is now a developing country.

 

[Ishmael]

Drug shortages have nothing to do with Obamacare. They've been going on for at least a decade and are getting worse. It's all about the inability or unwillingness of the manufacturers to produce enough of a staggeringly large number of vital medications. Most of the shortages are in older drugs that have gone generic, so the profit margin is slim and the meds are being dropped or rights sold to other manufacturers who aren't geared up to manufacture them.

Drugs like heparin, propofol, pediatric trace elements, electrolytes like sodium and potassium phosphate for injection, chemo drugs like doxorubicin, methotrexate and cisplatin, the list goes on and on and on (dozens of drug shortages going on at any one time) and most of these meds are absolutely vital, especially in acute healthcare settings.

And yes, children ARE dying because of this (and have been for years before Obamacare was even being discussed), but your rage is (as usual) entirely misdirected.

OK, I take you at your word, it is your biz. But I find the information to be on the 'odd' side to say the least. Primarily because it's economically upside down. Any shortage creates demand and demand tends to drive the prices up. Obviously increased prices makes a product that might have been marginal, or even a manufacturing loss profitable again. And that has got to be most certainly true with many of the drugs you mentioned that haven't enjoyed any patent protection for decades (Heparin for example).

Could there be an other underlying cause for the shortage? Such as price caps put in place by government and/or insurance companies? There is certainly money to be made it seems, so why isn't the market reacting?

There is another agent at work here.

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

OK, I take you at your word, it is your biz. But I find the information to be on the 'odd' side to say the least. Primarily because it's economically upside down. Any shortage creates demand and demand tends to drive the prices up. Obviously increased prices makes a product that might have been marginal, or even a manufacturing loss profitable again. And that has got to be most certainly true with many of the drugs you mentioned that haven't enjoyed any patent protection for decades (Heparin for example).

Could there be an other underlying cause for the shortage? Such as price caps put in place by government and/or insurance companies? There is certainly money to be made it seems, so why isn't the market reacting?

There is another agent at work here.

Ishmael

It's called, "fancy new drug hoping to recoup its development costs by discouraging care givers from using the old stuff".

 

[Ishmael]

It's called, "fancy new drug hoping to recoup its development costs by discouraging care givers from using the old stuff".

Guess what moron, anyone can setup shop and make Heparin...or electrolytes.....anyone. Big Pharmaceutical can't stop it from happening.

There is a reason that isn't happening and it's not the knee jerk moronic reason you posted.

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

Guess what moron, anyone can setup shop and make Heparin...or electrolytes.....anyone. Big Pharmaceutical can't stop it from happening.

There is a reason that isn't happening and it's not the knee jerk moronic reason you posted.

Ishmael

If your kid's in the hospital and you mix up your own batch of Heparin, how are you going to give it to him?

 

[sigh]

OK, I take you at your word, it is your biz. But I find the information to be on the 'odd' side to say the least. Primarily because it's economically upside down. Any shortage creates demand and demand tends to drive the prices up. Obviously increased prices makes a product that might have been marginal, or even a manufacturing loss profitable again. And that has got to be most certainly true with many of the drugs you mentioned that haven't enjoyed any patent protection for decades (Heparin for example).

Could there be an other underlying cause for the shortage? Such as price caps put in place by government and/or insurance companies? There is certainly money to be made it seems, so why isn't the market reacting?

There is another agent at work here.

Ishmael

It's incredibly complex and there are many causes, most interconnecting and all pointing to the bottom line. There are regulatory difficulties (when the FDA shuts down a plant for not meeting good manufacturing practices) then the products they produce suddenly aren't available and their competitors who make the same products, can't keep up with the new demand. Sometimes it's lack of a raw material, other times the company chooses to drop one line in order to focus on a second drug whose profit margin is higher. Drug manufacturing rights are sold, or companies merge and lesser profitable drugs are dropped to strengthen the new company's position in the market.

And yes, you're right. If there is profit to be made, another company will pick up the slack, but that will take months before they've convinced regulators that their product is equivalent to the FDA orange book standard, and retooled their line and are ready to roll out the new product. Shortages tend to last several months to up to a year. The shortage in chemotherapy drugs has lasted longer, but they're a specialized group that requires different safety standards that not all generic companies are willing to deal with.

But the bottom line is, the shortages have NOTHING to do with Obamacare. They're actually driven mostly by the way the free market works.

 

[Busybody]

It's incredibly complex and there are many causes, most interconnecting and all pointing to the bottom line. There are regulatory difficulties (when the FDA shuts down a plant for not meeting good manufacturing practices) then the products they produce suddenly aren't available and their competitors who make the same products, can't keep up with the new demand. Sometimes it's lack of a raw material, other times the company chooses to drop one line in order to focus on a second drug whose profit margin is higher. Drug manufacturing rights are sold, or companies merge and lesser profitable drugs are dropped to strengthen the new company's position in the market.

And yes, you're right. If there is profit to be made, another company will pick up the slack, but that will take months before they've convinced regulators that their product is equivalent to the FDA orange book standard, and retooled their line and are ready to roll out the new product. Shortages tend to last several months to up to a year. The shortage in chemotherapy drugs has lasted longer, but they're a specialized group that requires different safety standards that not all generic companies are willing to deal with.

But the bottom line is, the shortages have NOTHING to do with Obamacare. They're actually driven mostly by the way the free market works.

plenty of money for lavish WH parties and VACATIONS and OVERSEAS trips and big ticket cost dresses for Mrs Toned Arms

 

[sigh]

plenty of money for lavish WH parties and VACATIONS and OVERSEAS trips and big ticket cost dresses for Mrs Toned Arms

And how is that relevant to anything that's been said, even by you, in this thread? Do you really think if there were fewer parties or more flabby arms that the drug shortages would magically go away? What are you blithering on about this time?

 

[phrodeau]

Busybody has been obsessed by lavish clothing since Sarah Palin's $180,000 campaign clothing budget. He's been dutifully adding up the cost of Michelle Obama's outfits, hoping it will eventually reach that total before eight years pass.

 

[sigh]

Guess what moron, anyone can setup shop and make Heparin...or electrolytes.....anyone. Big Pharmaceutical can't stop it from happening.

There is a reason that isn't happening and it's not the knee jerk moronic reason you posted.

Ishmael

Well, not exactly anyone can make these. Any company wanting to make heparin, or IV electrolytes, must be able to show good manufacturing practice and be able to demonstrate through strict protocols that their product is interchangeable with the accepted standard. And of course they have to be licensed as a pharmaceutical manufacturer. But you're right that big Pharma can't do anything about that, except that many of the biggest pharmaceutical companies have bought up generic lines and are in the business of producing generics as well as their brand name counterparts.

Here's an example of why what phrodeau said isn't necessarily off the mark:

When the drug Zofran first came on the market, the current gold standard in treating nausea and vomiting in the acute care setting was prochlorperazine (Compazine). Compazine had gone generic years before and the profit margin on it was slim and it was kept as a product line because volume of sales was so high. The manufacturer of the new product Zofran (ondansetron) also owned the generic company that produced 80% of the prochlorperazine for the US market, and a few months before Zofran was released, prochlorperazine went on backorder. For those few months, hospitals were forced to ration prochlorperazine or offer lesser alternatives. Then Zofran was released with a huge marketing blitz and took off with enormous sales, with their product costing 40 times that of prochlorperazine per dose. Then, just months before Zofran was about to lose its patent protection and go generic itself, generic prochlorperazine became available again.

Coincidence? Perhaps, but as you say, it makes sense to follow the money.

 

[Cade Is Here]

Obama care will work out.