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Can boss insist on healthy habits?

By Randy Dotinga, Correspondent of The Christian Science MonitorWed Jan 11, 3:00 AM ET

A year ago, the Weyco medical benefits firm in Michigan made news nationwide by sacking employees who refused to try to quit smoking.

But that was just the beginning. Now, the company is working even harder to force its workers to take better care of themselves.

In 2006, Weyco employees who refuse to take mandated medical tests and physical examinations will see their monthly health insurance premiums jump by $65. By next year, their annual insurance bills will grow by more than $1,000 if they still fail to follow instructions.

"The cost of healthcare is frustrating everybody, and we believe at Weyco that we have to heal ourselves," says Howard Weyers, company president and founder. "We think it's vital."

But at what price? Should bosses like Mr. Weyers worry about whether workers are getting annual dental exams, eating healthy, or jogging regularly? Or should employees have a basic right to live their personal lives without interference?

These questions are gaining resonance as more American companies try to convince employees to watch their health.

programsSmokers, not surprisingly, are often the targets, with some companies going as far as testing their workers for tobacco use. In addition, some employees are being told to shape up or pay up, including those who are overweight, avoid exercise, have high blood pressure or high cholesterol.

"A lot of employers are wrestling with this internally," says Glenn Patton, an employment attorney in Atlanta.

In some cases, bosses are telling workers to take part in preventive "wellness" programs - a nutrition class, for example - or face higher premiums.

"You can't require someone to get better ... or lose weight," says Mila Kofman, assistant research professor at Georgetown University Health Policy Institute in Washington, D.C. "But [employers] can require you to participate in [a health program]."

At Blue Cross/Blue Shield of North Carolina, for example, company employees with health conditions such as obesity will automatically get socked with higher insurance premiums - as much as $480 a year - unless they agree to take part in wellness programs. The higher premiums began last year for the company's own employees; this year, employers who contract with Blue Cross/Blue Shield of North Carolina for insurance can choose to impose the higher fees on their workers, too.

"We give people an alternative to not pay the higher rates if they work on their problems," says executive medical director Dr. Don Bradley, who says more than half of his company's employees are overweight. "Folks respond far better to carrots than they do to sticks, so the secret here is to keep this as an incentive rather than a punishment."

The approach makes sense for employers, says Lisa Horn, manager of healthcare at the Society for Human Resource Management in Alexandria, Va., which advises personnel managers. "They're really trying to improve the health of their employees overall, and not just reduce costs for the employer, but also for employees," Ms. Horn says. "It certainly seems like their intentions are in the right place."

An invasion of privacy?Workers' rights groups don't agree. They're appalled by the pushy-employer trend, which they have seen growing over the past couple of years.

"This isn't about smokers," says Jeremy Gruber, legal director of the National Workrights Institute in Princeton, N.J. "This is about all of us being able to go about our private lives without employers making decisions based on what we do off the job."

Some observers worry that employers will let their interest in health get out of hand. "My biggest fear," Ms. Kofman says, "is that ... companies will try to use these wellness programs as a subterfuge to discriminate against unhealthy people."

Currently, federal law forbids employers from discriminating against workers if genetic testing suggests they're susceptible to certain diseases. But could employers refuse to hire applicants because they smell like smoke?

"It's probably legal," Kofman says.

Some lawmakers want to change that. In Michigan, an outcry against the firing of smokers at Weyco sparked a state senator to push for a law that would prevent employers from firing workers for engaging in legal activities outside the workplace. About 30 other states have similar laws protecting the private lives of employees, although their protections differ.

Mr. Weyers, the Weyco president, doesn't have regrets. "I tell people that this was not a privacy situation, this was a company policy," he says. "Employees are adults, and we expect them to make adult decisions about things like drugs or tobacco. What's more important: your job or the use of those things?"

The company was generous enough to give employees 15 months to make a decision about whether to quit smoking, Weyers adds. Some workers "decided tobacco was more important, and that's fine. They can go someplace else and work."

Workplaces often lack private-life protectionsThe color of your eyes, the car you drive, and your weight may all sound like private matters. But in many states, employers can take those facts - and many more - into account when they decide whether to hire or fire you.

Some groups are protected on the federal level: Employers can't discriminate against workers based on age, gender, race, disability, national origin, or religion. But unless state law says differently, all other characteristics are fair game, including your political leanings and even what you wear outside of work.

In 2004, for example, an Alabama housing insulation company reportedly fired a woman for sticking a Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker on her Chevy Lumina. In 2002, Goodwill Industries sacked a man who ran for mayor of Miami as a member of the Socialist Workers Party. Also that year, a federal court ruled that the Winn-Dixie grocery chain had the right to fire a Louisiana employee because he wore women's clothing off the job.

These firings didn't violate the law thanks to "at-will employment," a legal concept in 49 states that allows bosses to fire workers for virtually any reason - or none at all. (Montana is the sole exception.)

Even a seemingly arcane factor like your weight can come into play. "To be honest, generally speaking there is no law that prohibits an employer from saying, 'You look about 15-20 pounds too heavy, you're fired,' " says Atlanta employment attorney Glenn Patton.

There are some exceptions. Almost all states protect employees from being fired for "exercising a right of public policy," such as voting, says Camille Olson, an employment attorney in Chicago. Government employees have special protections, as do many union members and others with contracts.

As of 2003, 29 states and the District of Columbia forbade bosses from firing workers for engaging in certain legal off-duty activities, according to the Society for Human Resource Management. Tobacco use is the most widely protected activity; four states protect employees who do anything legal outside the workplace.

Outside those states, workers can still get pink slips for engaging in private activities.
 
Here is the way I would do it if I was the boss:
Give them a bonus if they comply. Over time it reduces the the cost the same amount. If they chose not to participate then they don't get the bonus.
 
That dudes a Nazi. Being from Michigan Ive heard more than I care to about that asshole who I never ever want to meet for my own freedoms consideration.

What that means is Id kick the fuck out of this guy if given the opportunity.

He's not going just after smokers. Its his employees spouses now as well who must prove they dont smoke either.

Fat people are next.

If youve ever heard or seen this asshat youd see how much of a sanctimonious arrogant fuck he is.

Needs an ass kickin.'
 
Killswitch said:
That dudes a Nazi. Being from Michigan Ive heard more than I care to about that asshole who I never ever want to meet for my own freedoms consideration.

What that means is Id kick the fuck out of this guy if given the opportunity.

He's not going just after smokers. Its his employees spouses now as well who must prove they dont smoke either.

Fat people are next.

If youve ever heard or seen this asshat youd see how much of a sanctimonious arrogant fuck he is.

Needs an ass kickin.'
There are a lot of trees in Michigan.
 
Peregrinator said:
This must be why all the libertarians love him so much.
This is insanely embarrassing for Libertarians.

The "I have a right to hire or fire whoever I wish" argument just hit a nuclear IED.
 
LovingTongue said:
There are a lot of trees in Michigan.

LT, you lost already. You're no good at this. There's no point in debating with you any more. And before you try to say otherwise, yes, it is true, you know absolutely nothing about economics or civics. No, really, you don't know shit.
 
Ham Murabi said:
LT, you lost already. You're no good at this. There's no point in debating with you any more. And before you try to say otherwise, yes, it is true, you know absolutely nothing about economics or civics. No, really, you don't know shit.
You worthless, pathetic copycat.
 
Well, since I don't get medical at work, I'm in the clear! :D
 
Don't like company policy? Then don't work there.
That has always applied and always will. A company can make the rules as they see fit to run their business the way they choose to.
Nobody is forcing anyone to work there.
The whole smoking thing could easily be put right alongside drug testing. A company doesn't want people who do drugs and they don't want someone who smokes. It's their choice.
 
KRCummings said:
Don't like company policy? Then don't work there.
That has always applied and always will. A company can make the rules as they see fit to run their business the way they choose to.
Nobody is forcing anyone to work there.
The whole smoking thing could easily be put right alongside drug testing. A company doesn't want people who do drugs and they don't want someone who smokes. It's their choice.


The smoking thing is a bit more hazy than drug use though. Drug use can cause accidents on the job and such while smoking has more to do with possible health care costs and lost time due to health reasons.
 
KRCummings said:
Don't like company policy? Then don't work there.
That has always applied and always will. A company can make the rules as they see fit to run their business the way they choose to.
Nobody is forcing anyone to work there.
The whole smoking thing could easily be put right alongside drug testing. A company doesn't want people who do drugs and they don't want someone who smokes. It's their choice.
That's stupid. Where will you work if you quit? :rolleyes: What happens if all employers do this? Did you think past the nose on your face while you wrote this?
 
lets see, in my community which is controlled by democrats, city council recently passed legislation prohibiting smoking in restaurants, bars, bowling alleys etc etc. so tell us LT, (which means Limited Thought)how is this "Bush's America"?
 
SleepingWarrior said:
The smoking thing is a bit more hazy than drug use though. Drug use can cause accidents on the job and such while smoking has more to do with possible health care costs and lost time due to health reasons.

Lost time is lost time, no matter what the reason. It costs the company money that they wouldn't lose with someone else. Same with health care costs.
They are in business to make money and if a workers habits are costing them money then of course they'll change things. Why should they pay for someone else's bad habit?
 
LovingTongue said:
That's stupid. Where will you work if you quit? :rolleyes: What happens if all employers do this? Did you think past the nose on your face while you wrote this?

If all employers do it then I guess everybody will have to stop smoking. Pretty simple really. Plenty of nonsmokers out there that would like the job, I'm sure.
Who cares what you do when you quit? It was your choice to continue to break company policy. Why should anyone care what you do?
 
dead.braincells said:
lets see, in my community which is controlled by democrats, city council recently passed legislation prohibiting smoking in restaurants, bars, bowling alleys etc etc. so tell us LT, (which means Limited Thought)how is this "Bush's America"?
Hey dead braincells, do you know what the meaning of the phrase "comparing apples to oranges" means?
 
KRCummings said:
If all employers do it then I guess everybody will have to stop smoking. Pretty simple really. Plenty of nonsmokers out there that would like the job, I'm sure.
Who cares what you do when you quit? It was your choice to continue to break company policy. Why should anyone care what you do?
And then companies can dictate your weight (oops, they're already doing that!), your religious affiliation, your party affiliation, etc.

Where does it stop?

Your life after you leave work is your life - at least it was, until now.

Your employer has no right to dictate what you do in the privacy of your own home, but now they are trying to and this is going to end in blood. I guarantee you, some employer is going to wind up dead for this, and the rest are going to be paying for bodyguards or rethinking their attempts to control what you do when you are not at work.
 
LovingTongue said:
Hey dead braincells, do you know what the meaning of the phrase "comparing apples to oranges" means?
look douche bag, in the words of Nancy Pelosi "its all fruit".
 
dead.jihadist said:
look douche bag, in the words of Nancy Pelosi "its all fruit".
You fucking worthless idiot. You should try stuffing a brain in your skull instead of socks. Your community Democrat leaders did not try to dictate what you do in the privacy of your home. But these corporations are trying to do just that.

Corporations have no right to dictate what people do in the privacy of their own homes. Period. If they push the hands of the citizens we will put them back down in their place.

I'm actually looking forward to lots of corporations trying this so people can stop being so apathetic and realize just how intrusive corporations are trying to be.
 
LovingTongue said:
"lets see, in my community which is controlled by democrats, city council recently passed legislation prohibiting smoking in restaurants, bars, bowling alleys etc, so how is this 'Bush's America'?"
Hey dead braincells, do you know what the meaning of the phrase "comparing apples to oranges" means?
Yeah, dead brain cells! Don't you realize that if you violate a smoking ban imposed by the government on your own restaurant, say, all they can do is can send men with guns to enforce it, and shoot you or put you in prison if you defy them! Whereas employers can do really bad things if you defy them - they can not allow you to work there, and . . . um, actually that's all they can do.

So, dead braincells, you really are comparing apples and oranges! Sheesh.
 
LovingTongue said:
You fucking worthless idiot. You should try stuffing a brain in your skull instead of socks. Your community Democrat leaders did not try to dictate what you do in the privacy of your home. But these corporations are trying to do just that.

Corporations have no right to dictate what people do in the privacy of their own homes. Period. If they push the hands of the citizens we will put them back down in their place.

I'm actually looking forward to lots of corporations trying this so people can stop being so apathetic and realize just how intrusive corporations are trying to be.

LT, you lost already. You're no good at this. There's no point in debating with you any more. And before you try to say otherwise, yes, it is true, you know absolutely nothing about economics or civics. No, really, you don't know shit.
 
Roxanne Appleby said:
Yeah, dead brain cells! Don't you realize that if you violate a smoking ban imposed by the government on your own restaurant, say, all they can do is can send men with guns to enforce it, and shoot you or put you in prison if you defy them! Whereas employers can do really bad things if you defy them - they can not allow you to work there, and . . . um, actually that's all they can do.

So, dead braincells, you really are comparing apples and oranges! Sheesh.
Okay how many people here are smart enough to know the difference between smoking in your own house and smoking in a restaurant?

If this is too far over your head then there isn't much room for discussion until you re-take kindergarten, this time without cheating!
 
Ham Murabi said:
LT, you lost already. You're no good at this. There's no point in debating with you any more. And before you try to say otherwise, yes, it is true, you know absolutely nothing about economics or civics. No, really, you don't know shit.
You're nothing but a stupid copycat, dumbass.
 
LovingTongue said:
Okay how many people here are smart enough to know the difference between smoking in your own house and smoking in a restaurant? If this is too far over your head then there isn't much room for discussion until you re-take kindergarten, this time without cheating!
It's MY fucking restaurant and if you don't like the tobacco smoke no one is making you come in! Now bug off and MYOFB!
 
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