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Silverlily
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I looked too, Skibum, not interested either. Why in heaven's name would someone tout a site dedicated to the Bible's view of sex and why pre-marital sex is wrong on a PORN site is beyond me.
Probably trying to save all the sinners.
No thanks hon, Bobert's got us covered.
Probably trying to save all the sinners.
No thanks hon, Bobert's got us covered.
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Hmmmm...
Must be a "banned" site here...I can't get it to load. It'd probably just piss me off anyway.
Must be a "banned" site here...I can't get it to load. It'd probably just piss me off anyway.
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For those who looked at the site, does this post seem out of place? lol
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*shaking my head* yep....
I checked it out...nothing like non-scholars touting doctrine. Anyone can get the letter of the Word...few seem to understand the spirit of the Word.
I checked it out...nothing like non-scholars touting doctrine. Anyone can get the letter of the Word...few seem to understand the spirit of the Word.
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Good! Nice to know that I'm not the only one who saw the irony. Not that a Bible thumper wouldn't be welcome here, but I'm sure they'd feel out of place.
Not that a Bible thumper wouldn't be welcome here, but I'm sure they'd feel out of place.
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Ah, yes. I do thank you for that warm welcome. Now if you will all open your Bible to the Book of Revelation, Psalm 69, I would like to read a little to start this glorious service.
Amen.
Amen.
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A little knowledge...
...is a dangerous thing indeed.
Finally loaded the site. Guess he/she takes sending the sheep amongst the wolves to heart.
I deeply respect, accomodate, honour, and tolerate anyone's personally held beliefs, but I draw the line at someone who draws their sword...or pen...and bears it toward others.
Petra seems to overlook the fact that the version he/she is quoting (KJV) was created in large part so royalty could divorce. He/she also overlooks the plain fact that it represents a religion which never actually "belonged" to European culture (and hence American) but was modified to suit it nonetheless. That isn't a crime because I think virtually all religions manifest this dynamic response to changes in the realities of day-to-day life. Of course, the Catholics had a small problem with the solar system but nothing a few executions couldn't deal with. The Church of England found similar solutions for pagans and witches. Well, okay, it wasn't a good long term solution.
As for sex before marriage...Petra seems a bit confused about this. Being pledged to marry isn't the same as being married. No man would marry a woman until he was sure she could conceive. It's not really a big surprise that Mary was pregnant now is it?
When things like this come up I'm always reminded of the Monty Python gang (Life of Brian...bless those Oxford educated comedians) when they ponder the question: "What did the Romans ever do for us?" Roads, running water, education, etc. etc.
Historically speaking the "Christians" managed to destroy virtually all knowledge acquired in history and plunge mankind into an age of intellectual, creative, and scientific darkness that lasted until the Renaissance. This isn't a dig at Christians, just an observable blip in history.
Which leaves me to ponder further...why is it that the largest collection of erotica in the world (including sculpture, art, and literature) is safely locked away in the Vatican? And...why is the Pope always smiling?
I hope I haven't offended anyone because that would be my last intention. Petra can believe anything he/she wants to, but don't come peddling it to me.
Oh...yeah...told ya it'd piss me off!
...is a dangerous thing indeed.
Finally loaded the site. Guess he/she takes sending the sheep amongst the wolves to heart.
I deeply respect, accomodate, honour, and tolerate anyone's personally held beliefs, but I draw the line at someone who draws their sword...or pen...and bears it toward others.
Petra seems to overlook the fact that the version he/she is quoting (KJV) was created in large part so royalty could divorce. He/she also overlooks the plain fact that it represents a religion which never actually "belonged" to European culture (and hence American) but was modified to suit it nonetheless. That isn't a crime because I think virtually all religions manifest this dynamic response to changes in the realities of day-to-day life. Of course, the Catholics had a small problem with the solar system but nothing a few executions couldn't deal with. The Church of England found similar solutions for pagans and witches. Well, okay, it wasn't a good long term solution.
As for sex before marriage...Petra seems a bit confused about this. Being pledged to marry isn't the same as being married. No man would marry a woman until he was sure she could conceive. It's not really a big surprise that Mary was pregnant now is it?
When things like this come up I'm always reminded of the Monty Python gang (Life of Brian...bless those Oxford educated comedians) when they ponder the question: "What did the Romans ever do for us?" Roads, running water, education, etc. etc.
Historically speaking the "Christians" managed to destroy virtually all knowledge acquired in history and plunge mankind into an age of intellectual, creative, and scientific darkness that lasted until the Renaissance. This isn't a dig at Christians, just an observable blip in history.
Which leaves me to ponder further...why is it that the largest collection of erotica in the world (including sculpture, art, and literature) is safely locked away in the Vatican? And...why is the Pope always smiling?
I hope I haven't offended anyone because that would be my last intention. Petra can believe anything he/she wants to, but don't come peddling it to me.
Oh...yeah...told ya it'd piss me off!
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Well I've read all the replies. So far I'm impressed. Well let me give you a little insight into my charachter. I am a Christian. I am also married. I have struggled for years with sex and lust. Later I ran into this website. http://www.libchrist.com/
I realized that this web site spoke to me. I realized there is a lot of freedom that God had in store for me.
Any ways, I have very few qualms with porn, One of the books in the Bible is essentially an erotic story.
First off the perfumed garden or the anangaranga <sp?> was written and circulated during the time period the Bible was being composed. If God had a problem with erotic literature surely He would have said so.
I have very little acceptance from my peers so far. I peruse these web sites to gain experience, I'm only 21 and hope to one day be a good lover. I respect a lot of your advice as I have been trolling for some time.
Just my two cents worth
Well I've read all the replies. So far I'm impressed. Well let me give you a little insight into my charachter. I am a Christian. I am also married. I have struggled for years with sex and lust. Later I ran into this website. http://www.libchrist.com/
I realized that this web site spoke to me. I realized there is a lot of freedom that God had in store for me.
Any ways, I have very few qualms with porn, One of the books in the Bible is essentially an erotic story.
First off the perfumed garden or the anangaranga <sp?> was written and circulated during the time period the Bible was being composed. If God had a problem with erotic literature surely He would have said so.
I have very little acceptance from my peers so far. I peruse these web sites to gain experience, I'm only 21 and hope to one day be a good lover. I respect a lot of your advice as I have been trolling for some time.
Just my two cents worth
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Kitten Eyes said:I looked too, Skibum, not interested either. Why in heaven's name would someone tout a site dedicated to the Bible's view of sex and why pre-marital sex is wrong on a PORN site is beyond me.
Probably trying to save all the sinners.
Now I know how much I am loved here
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Re: A little knowledge...
I agree with your right to say everything that you have said here and support your right to say it. Even thouhg I disagree with the thought behind it , I will never seek to censur such thoughts.
though I really wish that people would check out the "christians" that did all this in the name of God you would find that they were mainly sick twisted individuals using christianity to get there own means.
Closet Desire said:...is a dangerous thing indeed.
Finally loaded the site. Guess he/she takes sending the sheep amongst the wolves to heart.
I deeply respect, accomodate, honour, and tolerate anyone's personally held beliefs, but I draw the line at someone who draws their sword...or pen...and bears it toward others.
Petra seems to overlook the fact that the version he/she is quoting (KJV) was created in large part so royalty could divorce. He/she also overlooks the plain fact that it represents a religion which never actually "belonged" to European culture (and hence American) but was modified to suit it nonetheless. That isn't a crime because I think virtually all religions manifest this dynamic response to changes in the realities of day-to-day life. Of course, the Catholics had a small problem with the solar system but nothing a few executions couldn't deal with. The Church of England found similar solutions for pagans and witches. Well, okay, it wasn't a good long term solution.
As for sex before marriage...Petra seems a bit confused about this. Being pledged to marry isn't the same as being married. No man would marry a woman until he was sure she could conceive. It's not really a big surprise that Mary was pregnant now is it?
When things like this come up I'm always reminded of the Monty Python gang (Life of Brian...bless those Oxford educated comedians) when they ponder the question: "What did the Romans ever do for us?" Roads, running water, education, etc. etc.
Historically speaking the "Christians" managed to destroy virtually all knowledge acquired in history and plunge mankind into an age of intellectual, creative, and scientific darkness that lasted until the Renaissance. This isn't a dig at Christians, just an observable blip in history.
Which leaves me to ponder further...why is it that the largest collection of erotica in the world (including sculpture, art, and literature) is safely locked away in the Vatican? And...why is the Pope always smiling?
I hope I haven't offended anyone because that would be my last intention. Petra can believe anything he/she wants to, but don't come peddling it to me.
Oh...yeah...told ya it'd piss me off!
I agree with your right to say everything that you have said here and support your right to say it. Even thouhg I disagree with the thought behind it , I will never seek to censur such thoughts.
though I really wish that people would check out the "christians" that did all this in the name of God you would find that they were mainly sick twisted individuals using christianity to get there own means.
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All I gotta say is,
I don't read sites made in Front Page.
Sorry, but it hurts my eyes. Something to do with the microsoft radiation/horrible coding that leaks through...
And, they make me want to barf. But other than that, I respect your opinion. Of course, I don't know what that is, because I didn't read about it. But I really gotta get some sleap.
I spent 45 frickin minutes just getting a stupid preloader to work right, then had to go back and scrap it because I forgot one stupid thing. Ahhh, the life of a programmer...
I don't read sites made in Front Page.
Sorry, but it hurts my eyes. Something to do with the microsoft radiation/horrible coding that leaks through...
And, they make me want to barf. But other than that, I respect your opinion. Of course, I don't know what that is, because I didn't read about it. But I really gotta get some sleap.
I spent 45 frickin minutes just getting a stupid preloader to work right, then had to go back and scrap it because I forgot one stupid thing. Ahhh, the life of a programmer...
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Checking out the Christians...
Sorry...the activities of Christians were not the work of a few, twisted individuals. They were endorsed by majorities of the population affected. Religion, culture, government, and society have always been inextricably woven together. It is convenient to want to revise history, pull out the painful bits like splinters from a finger, just because one happens to be a Christian, but it doesn't change what happened. The crusades and the witch hunts took place directly because of a fundamental difference in belief. The witch hunts, in fact, had nothing to do with witches, but with an agenda by the church to convert pagans over to Christianity and fear remains the best tool of tyrants, no matter what they choose to call themselves.
It carries on today and I doubt you would choose to refer to most Americans as sick and twisted individuals (except in the privacy of their homes!). Nearly every president of my lifetime has stood behind that great seal proudly proclaiming "In God We Trust", his finger poised on the nuclear trigger, ready to obliterate an entire nation, and referred to Russians as Godless communists and their nation as an "evil empire". Change the names and you have a good plot for a Bond movie. Now we are building space stations and Pizza Huts together? Has Russian culture, one of the most coherent cultures in history, so dramatically changed in a decade? Did they all suddenly find a God? Incidentally my source for much of this came from a friend I served with in the US Navy who moved to Moscow to serve as a missionary. He was welcomed and well treated even during the Cold War.
Even men and women widely admired and supported by Christians fall prey to self-rightiousness. Pat Roberston just this year stood before his millions of followers and declared Scotland a "dark land" seething with homosexuals. Behind the scenes, at the very same time, he was trying to negotiate a multi-million dollar deal on behalf of his followers with the Royal Bank of Scotland. The deal was nixed when Scots, who apparently didn't identify with his proclamation, began withdrawing their investments from the bank.
The more things change the more they stay the same. These are the very same mechanisms that led to atrocities in the past and, certainly, many actions taken by large, influential groups of Christians in American would be considered terrorism if they took place in another country. One only needs to take a deep breath and two steps back to see it. It's simply a fact of life, but I don't think it's what any prophet had in mind.
This is all a point of history, recorded in the doctrine of the Church itself (in my cases by the Church of England and the Vatican ie. Mallius Malficarum) and not really open to conjecture. It doesn't make Christians, then or now, bad people any more than Nazis made Germans bad people. In fact, there were remarkable similarities in their rationing and methods.
I believe it was Marx who called religion the opiate of the people and in a sense he was right. People will do almost anything, commit almost any act, and believe themselve rightious, if it will get them into heaven. Now that's a powerful drug. A British student just proved it by blowing himself and three others up in the name of God over Christmas.
Does it really matter whose God it was?
[Edited by Closet Desire on 12-28-2000 at 11:55 PM]
Sorry...the activities of Christians were not the work of a few, twisted individuals. They were endorsed by majorities of the population affected. Religion, culture, government, and society have always been inextricably woven together. It is convenient to want to revise history, pull out the painful bits like splinters from a finger, just because one happens to be a Christian, but it doesn't change what happened. The crusades and the witch hunts took place directly because of a fundamental difference in belief. The witch hunts, in fact, had nothing to do with witches, but with an agenda by the church to convert pagans over to Christianity and fear remains the best tool of tyrants, no matter what they choose to call themselves.
It carries on today and I doubt you would choose to refer to most Americans as sick and twisted individuals (except in the privacy of their homes!). Nearly every president of my lifetime has stood behind that great seal proudly proclaiming "In God We Trust", his finger poised on the nuclear trigger, ready to obliterate an entire nation, and referred to Russians as Godless communists and their nation as an "evil empire". Change the names and you have a good plot for a Bond movie. Now we are building space stations and Pizza Huts together? Has Russian culture, one of the most coherent cultures in history, so dramatically changed in a decade? Did they all suddenly find a God? Incidentally my source for much of this came from a friend I served with in the US Navy who moved to Moscow to serve as a missionary. He was welcomed and well treated even during the Cold War.
Even men and women widely admired and supported by Christians fall prey to self-rightiousness. Pat Roberston just this year stood before his millions of followers and declared Scotland a "dark land" seething with homosexuals. Behind the scenes, at the very same time, he was trying to negotiate a multi-million dollar deal on behalf of his followers with the Royal Bank of Scotland. The deal was nixed when Scots, who apparently didn't identify with his proclamation, began withdrawing their investments from the bank.
The more things change the more they stay the same. These are the very same mechanisms that led to atrocities in the past and, certainly, many actions taken by large, influential groups of Christians in American would be considered terrorism if they took place in another country. One only needs to take a deep breath and two steps back to see it. It's simply a fact of life, but I don't think it's what any prophet had in mind.
This is all a point of history, recorded in the doctrine of the Church itself (in my cases by the Church of England and the Vatican ie. Mallius Malficarum) and not really open to conjecture. It doesn't make Christians, then or now, bad people any more than Nazis made Germans bad people. In fact, there were remarkable similarities in their rationing and methods.
I believe it was Marx who called religion the opiate of the people and in a sense he was right. People will do almost anything, commit almost any act, and believe themselve rightious, if it will get them into heaven. Now that's a powerful drug. A British student just proved it by blowing himself and three others up in the name of God over Christmas.
Does it really matter whose God it was?
[Edited by Closet Desire on 12-28-2000 at 11:55 PM]
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Well, it's official. I've got writer's (or is that poster's) block in a bad way. This is one of my favorite topics, and I just can't think of a damned thing to say, except that I do love Closet Desire's posts.
I love God, but I hate religion. Huh.
I love God, but I hate religion. Huh.
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I think...
...that's the way God intended it.
(thanks for your kind note...did you see the movie Stigmata? Sure made me think about a few things.)
...that's the way God intended it.
(thanks for your kind note...did you see the movie Stigmata? Sure made me think about a few things.)
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Stigmata
Saw it twice. Will probably buy the vid. The second time I saw it was in Pittsburgh. I was with two friends and the theater was otherwise utterly abandoned. That was great. We were spread out over three rows, chatting back and forth like we were watching a huge TV in someone's living room. Irrelevant to the thread, but a fond memory all the same.
I also got a chance to glance at a copy of the Gospel of St. Thomas, which is the source the movie quotes from. Interesting stuff, I thought.
Saw it twice. Will probably buy the vid. The second time I saw it was in Pittsburgh. I was with two friends and the theater was otherwise utterly abandoned. That was great. We were spread out over three rows, chatting back and forth like we were watching a huge TV in someone's living room. Irrelevant to the thread, but a fond memory all the same.
I also got a chance to glance at a copy of the Gospel of St. Thomas, which is the source the movie quotes from. Interesting stuff, I thought.
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Interesting stuff...
I should have known! Hah!
I've always told myself that one day I should cast aside my prejudice acquired from years of Baptist Sunday school, bible camps, and revivals (my family is pretty extreme) and read the Gospel the way I learned to read other literature. Most of the early literature I studied was derived in part or in whole from scripture in the first place as it was the only proper thing to write about until the mid 1700's. Alas, I have not yet done so.
I'd love to say I knew what the stigmata was all about when I saw the movie, but it was CD-able who had to enlighten me...she's the big history buff although in the end she chose to pursue psychology instead of history. I was fascinated. Truth is stranger than fiction...or religion. I have learned quite a lot since moving here because the perspective on religion, even by the clergy, is so different from what I experienced in the states. Heck, I didn't even know the basis for Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. I will admit acquiring a great interest in it all when I stood in the centre of York Minster and looked up at the vaulted ceiling. Religion was serious business then. I saw Notre Dame for the first time a couple of years ago. It's all sort of a "missing link" for our culture in the US to come to Europe and see where it started for European culture. I did spent quite a bit of time in Isreal on duty...stayed with a local family and an air force colonel. A real eye opener for such a young lad.
I almost forgot how this thread started out!
I should have known! Hah!
I've always told myself that one day I should cast aside my prejudice acquired from years of Baptist Sunday school, bible camps, and revivals (my family is pretty extreme) and read the Gospel the way I learned to read other literature. Most of the early literature I studied was derived in part or in whole from scripture in the first place as it was the only proper thing to write about until the mid 1700's. Alas, I have not yet done so.
I'd love to say I knew what the stigmata was all about when I saw the movie, but it was CD-able who had to enlighten me...she's the big history buff although in the end she chose to pursue psychology instead of history. I was fascinated. Truth is stranger than fiction...or religion. I have learned quite a lot since moving here because the perspective on religion, even by the clergy, is so different from what I experienced in the states. Heck, I didn't even know the basis for Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. I will admit acquiring a great interest in it all when I stood in the centre of York Minster and looked up at the vaulted ceiling. Religion was serious business then. I saw Notre Dame for the first time a couple of years ago. It's all sort of a "missing link" for our culture in the US to come to Europe and see where it started for European culture. I did spent quite a bit of time in Isreal on duty...stayed with a local family and an air force colonel. A real eye opener for such a young lad.
I almost forgot how this thread started out!
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like i said before these"christians" were not christian. The "religious" take overs were not over religion. BUT they were all done in the name of Christianity and Religion.
I do not excuse one thing that was done in the name of religion or christianity becuase it was done regardless of how much I want to say it isn't true.
The KKK is done in the name of Christainity. Does that mean that all Christians hate blacks? Adolf Hitler routes from a babptist/catholic family and did things in the name of his God. Does that mean all Christians hate Jew?
Things done in the name of religion are begun by sick twisted individuals who want to shape the world thier way and they use religion and christianity as a tool to convince a lot of people that what they are doing is right and for the Glory of God.
Should what has been done in the name of religion and christianity be forgiven or over looked. Hell's no. It should be looked into and studied and hopefully learned from to watch that those types of people do not get into those positions of power and trust and lead up another uprising.
CLoset Desire in no way am I attacking you or am I trying to justify what has happened in history. Just trying to put the third spin on it.
I do not excuse one thing that was done in the name of religion or christianity becuase it was done regardless of how much I want to say it isn't true.
The KKK is done in the name of Christainity. Does that mean that all Christians hate blacks? Adolf Hitler routes from a babptist/catholic family and did things in the name of his God. Does that mean all Christians hate Jew?
Things done in the name of religion are begun by sick twisted individuals who want to shape the world thier way and they use religion and christianity as a tool to convince a lot of people that what they are doing is right and for the Glory of God.
Should what has been done in the name of religion and christianity be forgiven or over looked. Hell's no. It should be looked into and studied and hopefully learned from to watch that those types of people do not get into those positions of power and trust and lead up another uprising.
CLoset Desire in no way am I attacking you or am I trying to justify what has happened in history. Just trying to put the third spin on it.
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Ohhhhh...
...don't worry...I don't feel attacked. It's those third "spins" that make the world go 'round...and keep it interesting!
...don't worry...I don't feel attacked. It's those third "spins" that make the world go 'round...and keep it interesting!
