We must restore tariffs or we are DOOMED

[renard_ruse]

As the homosexual extremists and their friends in the media and politics continue to divert Americans attention away from our real problems to focus on their narrow selfish agenda, our economy continues to stagnate. In fact, our industrial base has been systematically decimated over the past thirty years because of "free" trade and our economy WILL NEVER RECOVER to the levels it was at a half century ago unless we start to address the problem of "free" trade.

 

[JackLuis]

It's not just the homo's it's the abortion, voter fraud and all the other bullshit that the media and politicians flap their gums about that's diverting the attention from our real problems.

Why can't one of our highly paid talking heads, do a Cronkite and just say that our government is owned by the Corptocracy? If the news would hire journalists, instead of political lap dogs, we'd be a lot better off.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Ruse, you espouse political views the diametrical opposite of those of the ruling class, who are cosmopolitan, sophisticated, tolerant and neoliberal with regards to trade.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

WALLY WORLD wants to create dominion across the planet, and to do that they conspire to do exactly what the OP asserts.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

As the homosexual extremists and their friends in the media and politics continue to divert Americans attention away from our real problems to focus on their narrow selfish agenda, our economy continues to stagnate. In fact, our industrial base has been systematically decimated over the past thirty years because of "free" trade and our economy WILL NEVER RECOVER to the levels it was at a half century ago unless we start to address the problem of "free" trade.

You've got that turned around.

The CORPORATE STATE has us distracted with the evil homosexuals, distracted from the real issue which is the shipping of our jobs out of the country.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

As the homosexual extremists and their friends in the media and politics continue to divert Americans attention away from our real problems to focus on their narrow selfish agenda, our economy continues to stagnate. In fact, our industrial base has been systematically decimated over the past thirty years because of "free" trade and our economy WILL NEVER RECOVER to the levels it was at a half century ago unless we start to address the problem of "free" trade.

You seriously need to download a free copy of Bastiat's "Sophisms" and read it.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You've got that turned around.

The CORPORATE STATE has us distracted with the evil homosexuals, distracted from the real issue which is the shipping of our jobs out of the country.

You are simply looney tunes.

 

[rosco rathbone]

You seriously need to download a free copy of Bastiat's "Sophisms" and read it.

An Objectivist schooling a modern Strasserite in rhetoric and argumentation. I love this place.

Morning AJ.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Still got your head stuffed up the Sophism of MMT?



Mises and Hayek both should have cured you of historical models and "math-model" based economics...

 

[rosco rathbone]

Still got your head stuffed up the Sophism of MMT?



Mises and Hayek both should have cured you of historical models and "math-model" based economics...

Mises dislikes empirical "economics" because he'd prefer for people to behave like the imaginary rational actors that make the classical theories work out so nicely.

These days I am considering myself something of a non-racist Strasserite (possibly a contradiction in terms, I know) which is why I have a soft spot for ruse despite his antics.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Those theories do not care if he is rational or irrational.

Your overview of the material has left some gaps in understanding.

 

[Ishmael]

You can start a trade war if you want, but manufacturing as we once knew it is not coming back to the shores of the US and starting that war isn't going to do anything for the US industries that are exporting. If we don't get our own economy squared away, and soon, nothing is going to save us from reaping the crop we've sown.

Ishmael

 

[rosco rathbone]

Those theories do not care if he is rational or irrational.

Your overview of the material has left some gaps in understand.

No doubt.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You can start a trade war if you want, but manufacturing as we once knew it is not coming back to the shores of the US and starting that war isn't going to do anything for the US industries that are exporting. If we don't get our own economy squared away, and soon, nothing is going to save us from reaping the crop we've sown.

Ishmael

Robotic factories are then next great wave, so we had better learn to adapt.

It is too late to stop the economic death spiral.

We made "promises."

I'm Hungary for some French-fried Cypriotic €PIIGS!
A_J, the Incredulous

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You can start a trade war if you want, but manufacturing as we once knew it is not coming back to the shores of the US and starting that war isn't going to do anything for the US industries that are exporting. If we don't get our own economy squared away, and soon, nothing is going to save us from reaping the crop we've sown.

Ishmael

Maybe automated manufacturing and automated services.

As it is, the logical end will come when regular folks revolt against the elites, but by then the elites will be moved to Maui with the gold and the Marines.

 

[rosco rathbone]

You can start a trade war if you want, but manufacturing as we once knew it is not coming back to the shores of the US and starting that war isn't going to do anything for the US industries that are exporting. If we don't get our own economy squared away, and soon, nothing is going to save us from reaping the crop we've sown.

Ishmael

Meanwhile we've got a huge and expanding useless prole class, that used to be employed in manufacturing, now spending their SSI, SSDI, unemployment insurance, food stamp money on oxies and Walmart snack foods and watching TV on their diabetic asses in section 8 homes. These people will never develop apps or learn to run high tech machine tools that require an Engineering degree to operate. At best they will fill the ranks of box store greeters. Offshoring and automation will continue apace. Populist movements of the type represented by ruse will flare up and fade away without leaving a trace. The urban areas will continue to grow in wealth and influence, and finally the de facto guaranteed minimum income represented by our social services will be made official by law and named as such.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Robotic factories are then next great wave, so we had better learn to adapt.

It is too late to stop the economic death spiral.

We made "promises."

I'm Hungary for some French-fried Cypriotic €PIIGS!
A_J, the Incredulous

Agreed. Its over.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Meanwhile we've got a huge and expanding useless prole class, that used to be employed in manufacturing, now spending their SSI, SSDI, unemployment insurance, food stamp money on oxies and Walmart snack foods and watching TV on their diabetic asses in section 8 homes. These people will never develop apps or learn to run high tech machine tools that require an Engineering degree to operate. At best they will fill the ranks of box store greeters. Offshoring and automation will continue apace. Populist movements of the type represented by ruse will flare up and fade away without leaving a trace. The urban areas will continue to grow in wealth and influence, and finally the de facto guaranteed minimum income represented by our social services will be made official by law and named as such.

Let them pick fruit.

Like Hoffer did...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I keep counseling my dummy grandkids to learn medicine and pharmacy and plumbing and agriculture , and whatevers useful to most people, and they keep thinking I'm senile cuz the world REALLY wants all the Gay Studies PhDs we can mint.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Every great leap in technology has led to the same conclusion, that it will put most of the people out of work.

Every single time it has proven to be fallacy/system/sophism and yet we still run to it during the Ordeal of Change...



No great change comes from stagnation.

Turmoil is good.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Every great leap in technology has led to the same conclusion, that it will put most of the people out of work.

Every single time it has proven to be fallacy/system/sophism and yet we still run to it during the Ordeal of Change...



No great change comes from stagnation.

Turmoil is good.

Its why God made affirmative action. If all youre capable of is rolling cigars maybe you can be a public school teacher.

 

[mercury14]

You can start a trade war if you want, but manufacturing as we once knew it is not coming back to the shores of the US and starting that war isn't going to do anything for the US industries that are exporting. If we don't get our own economy squared away, and soon, nothing is going to save us from reaping the crop we've sown.

Ishmael

Just institute a 9,785% tariff on goods imported from Asia to even out the foreign production and labor differential. Problem solved. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Meanwhile we've got a huge and expanding useless prole class, that used to be employed in manufacturing, now spending their SSI, SSDI, unemployment insurance, food stamp money on oxies and Walmart snack foods and watching TV on their diabetic asses in section 8 homes. These people will never develop apps or learn to run high tech machine tools that require an Engineering degree to operate. At best they will fill the ranks of box store greeters. Offshoring and automation will continue apace. Populist movements of the type represented by ruse will flare up and fade away without leaving a trace. The urban areas will continue to grow in wealth and influence, and finally the de facto guaranteed minimum income represented by our social services will be made official by law and named as such.

I think that this sums it up nicely.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Just institute a 9,785% tariff on goods imported from Asia to even out the foreign production and labor differential. Problem solved. What could possibly go wrong?

Dude, that'll start a trade war.

Totally not like the trade war that China, India, etc. started with us, of course.

 

[Ishmael]

Robotic factories are then next great wave, so we had better learn to adapt.

It is too late to stop the economic death spiral.

We made "promises."

I'm Hungary for some French-fried Cypriotic €PIIGS!
A_J, the Incredulous

Precisely. US manufacturers have learned their lesson re. ever escalating labor costs. (Something the Chinese and Indians are going to learn about soon enough.) Technology sector jobs, those that can maintain and program the robots, are going to thrive. The traditional 'insert tab A in slot A' jobs are going to be going the way of the Dodo. Even if one were to start levying punitive tariffs, those jobs aren't coming back.

The tax code is broken beyond any means of 'diddling around' repair and let's not even go into punitive over regulation.

Ishmael