butters
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it's possible one misheard the other or a reply was misconstrued
it's possible one is lying
it's possible they both believe they are telling the truth
it's possible warren is deliberately misconstruing a conversation because it will hurt sanders' votes
warren is no fool. i like a lot of what she has to say, same as i do bernie. do i think either of them are right to take on trump (if he's still there)? not really, but then i'm not a voter.
but she's savvy: sanders is hot in the polls in iowa; they're both running on similar 'tickets'. she's smart enough to know this will hurt him by making some people who may have voted for him wary now, and can win votes for herself over this 'women can be presidents, too' thing. of course they can; you only have to look around the world to see it.
she's smart enough to know the cameras were following here, that she and bernie were both mic'd up still. she's smart enough to realise this question (raised a little while before the last debate) would likely be brought up at the debate and people would be all over the two of them watching for something. she may have been rightfully pissed off (as would i if i believed what i'd said and he'd denied it happened) but she's not foolish enough to be utterly unaware of the optics and sounds-bites she's generated.
i think it's a sad state of affairs that some people will choose to vote for a nominee JUST because they are white, or black, or a man, or a woman, or gay, or mixed race, or trans... y'all should be voting for the person you feel best represents how you'd like to see your country move forward, the best person for the job; you might be uber-keen to see a woman as president, great, but don't dismiss a man who might be able to do the job better -- and vice-versa.
IF bernie really believes a woman can't be president as a general concept (and i don't believe he does but may feel this time around--given swing-voters and who she'd need to attract to her 'side'--a man stands a better chance of winning against trump, which is the ultimate goal right now), then he's deserving of losing votes. BUT this unprovable accusation (true OR not true) will serve more damage up to him than to her, and i'm positive she realises this completely.
she's a tough politician; i'd not personally choose her if i were voting because i find something about her a bit unsettling to watch. i'd not choose bernie, either, despite thinking they both have an awful lot to offer the chosen nominee in way of passion, knowledge, insight. Does anyone think that she has just deliberately politically assassinated bernie's chances in iowa?
it's possible one is lying
it's possible they both believe they are telling the truth
it's possible warren is deliberately misconstruing a conversation because it will hurt sanders' votes
warren is no fool. i like a lot of what she has to say, same as i do bernie. do i think either of them are right to take on trump (if he's still there)? not really, but then i'm not a voter.
but she's savvy: sanders is hot in the polls in iowa; they're both running on similar 'tickets'. she's smart enough to know this will hurt him by making some people who may have voted for him wary now, and can win votes for herself over this 'women can be presidents, too' thing. of course they can; you only have to look around the world to see it.
she's smart enough to know the cameras were following here, that she and bernie were both mic'd up still. she's smart enough to realise this question (raised a little while before the last debate) would likely be brought up at the debate and people would be all over the two of them watching for something. she may have been rightfully pissed off (as would i if i believed what i'd said and he'd denied it happened) but she's not foolish enough to be utterly unaware of the optics and sounds-bites she's generated.
i think it's a sad state of affairs that some people will choose to vote for a nominee JUST because they are white, or black, or a man, or a woman, or gay, or mixed race, or trans... y'all should be voting for the person you feel best represents how you'd like to see your country move forward, the best person for the job; you might be uber-keen to see a woman as president, great, but don't dismiss a man who might be able to do the job better -- and vice-versa.
IF bernie really believes a woman can't be president as a general concept (and i don't believe he does but may feel this time around--given swing-voters and who she'd need to attract to her 'side'--a man stands a better chance of winning against trump, which is the ultimate goal right now), then he's deserving of losing votes. BUT this unprovable accusation (true OR not true) will serve more damage up to him than to her, and i'm positive she realises this completely.
she's a tough politician; i'd not personally choose her if i were voting because i find something about her a bit unsettling to watch. i'd not choose bernie, either, despite thinking they both have an awful lot to offer the chosen nominee in way of passion, knowledge, insight. Does anyone think that she has just deliberately politically assassinated bernie's chances in iowa?