War on Drugs

[kathy stl]

I threatened to do this and now I am. About two beers into the wind (yes, that's all it takes). So kick it off, make it funny, make it true or whatever.

But the topic is "the war on drugs".

Of which I am a KIA. I puke this up today cause offenders like me don't get to vote ever again in "my" country. Hey? I unnerstan, why let the crazies elect the wardon.

So? you guys fighting the war? care? lemme tell ya citizens, ya'll muss be paying a fucking fortune to keep all us druggies in tiny cages. And I know that those white men who gonna get elected today never mentioned a cease fire. The weird thing? I never got one seconds pleasure outa drugs, and the easiest place to score them? so easy ya can't hardly resist? Inside babes, inside.

Ain't that like given A bombs to your POW's?

 

[Unclebill]

Political Crimes define the decay of a legitimate government

The use, possession, manufacture, production and sale of drugs are political crimes, i. e., a personal choice that does not involve the initiation of the use of force.

Politicians get lots of publicity advocating the war on drugs as if it were a good thing because there are many well meaning people who see the harm and destruction people do to themselves and their families resulting from drug usage.

The populace at large has been so dumbed down by the public lack-of-education system that damned few understand the concepts of individual rights and freedoms any longer. The mentality is that laws are going to stop something and make it all better.

I'm not sure if that belongs more under the naive or stupid category but it's in those camps. Laws against murder don't stop murder any more than laws against drugs stop drugs.

And politicians in general seem to have a strong aversion to the idea of personal responsibility. After all, they know they are far more enlightened and thus ar more capable of making appropriate choices for you than are you for yourself.

If I read it right, your statement indicated that you had no trouble getting a fix while incarcerated. This coincides with information I got a few years back from a MD on radio. His point is, the price of drugs for inmates inside penal institutions is about the same as it is for the user on the street.

The lesson to be learned (or ignored if you're stupid) is that drugs are as easily available inside jails and prisons as they are on the street. If you can't keep them out of the hands of the user when they are incarcerated and under constant scrutiny and control, how in the Hell can you possibly expect to keep them from people in a free sciety? The obvious answer is that you cannot!

But politicians will not learn what they do not wish to know, like most people. The War on Drugs is nothing less than a War on Freedom.

For the morons who are going to tell me that people commit robberies to pay for their drugs, get a clue. Because drugs are illegal, the risks in marketing are high, thus the price is high. Because the price is so high, various people who care little for themselves and nothing for anyone else are willing to turn our streets and neighborhoods into war zones to control the drug market and thus make lots of money.

Drop the price of the drug to be more in line with production and manufacturing cost and the market drops because the price drops. The price gets lower, the user no longer has to steal to pay for this fix. The gangs find something more profitable than drugs; simple economics. But that's not politically correct or expedient so it won't happen under any of our principle political parties. It makes way too good a press release that the 'DEA heroes' have stopped another twelve million in cocaine from coming into the country.

Personally, I have never used drugs (except a brief period of 20 or so years with alcohol) and I find it a stupid way of entertaining oneself. I finally decided one morning about 25 years ago that I was spending way too much money to feel that bad the next day and I quit alcohol for all intents and purposes. I still enjoy a good glass of chilled wine with a fine steak or other good meal, but drinking for the sake of drinking or getting drunk I gave up.

Many people seem to use the drug as an excape mechanism. Some achieve the ultimate escape and kill themselves. Some successfully manage their recreational use satisfactorily and lead 'normal lives'.

The bottom line is, in a free society, it is your life and what you do with it is your choice and your responsibility. It is the responsibility of no one other than yourself for your support and maintenance. This is a province into which a legitimate government does not become involved but an opportunity which a tyrannical government readily embraces as another means of exacting control over and intrusion into the lives of free men.

As the Harry Browne (Libertarian Presidential candidate) TV commercial asked, would George W. Bush or Albert A. Gore JUNIOR have been a better person having spent ten or more years in prison for their drug use? Not very likely. Of course in Gore's case, I believe it wouldn't have made him any worse either.

And maybe if we could get rid of these stupid fucking laws, we could get police focused on real crimes like robbery, murder, rape, etc.

 

[kathy stl]

Lighten up, but how?

Well that is a huge blow me away essay. And I think I will agree once I read it again.

The price of drugs inside is the same as on the street? Not quite. I never used inside, not once. The price? jeez, I waz what they called lunch meat, like in a sandwich, figure it out. And somehow, no idea, that earned the queens scores with coke.

And money? I ran with south americans for two years. You got no fuckin idea about money. The gang I ran with owned three jet planes. Jets. Who you know owns three jets except TWA? Pass a law, they'll turn the jets over, right. What will kill those guys is meph cause it's made here in Missouri. The DEA just may be able to slam the lid on the meph fac's because the south american's will rat them out, blow them out, and buy them out. So we can go back to normal. Shit, my gang will buy a F-18, they can afford it, straffing run. So the coke traffic is not interrupted. Pass a law.

Give me another beer and ask me about snake eyes.

 

[kathy stl]

so the republicans win

why do I think my ass is gonna feel like a waffle on the grill for four years?

 

[Nogard]

Kathy,I'm not sure by your post if you are still in jail or not. If you have been released and stay out of trouble for a period of time(usually two years), you can petition the government for the return of voting and other rights. Best of luck getting a handle on your problems

 

[Latina]

I'm confused. kathy_stl has posted she's a former stripper and now bartender, likes to dress sexy, etc., she sounded like a sweet, sexy and fun lady, and now she says she's in jail for drugs and she's in a gang, and she talks so tough that she sounds more like a he. What's the story?

Californians just passed a new law that says new drug offenders get TREATMENT first. The part I don't like is, after they've failed drug treatment 3 times, they DO go to jail, like that's somehow supposed to help. Still it is more humane than automatic jail for all drug possession, it's a first step in the right direction. We've had decades of a failed war on drugs, now at least Californians are starting to try a new approach, and maybe the rest of the nation will eventually follow this example.

-- Latina

 

[Unclebill]

Re: Lighten up, but how?

And money? I ran with south americans for two years. You got no fuckin idea about money. The gang I ran with owned three jet planes. Jets. Who you know owns three jets except TWA? Pass a law, they'll turn the jets over, right. What will kill those guys is meph cause it's made here in Missouri. The DEA just may be able to slam the lid on the meph fac's because the south american's will rat them out, blow them out, and buy them out. So we can go back to normal. Shit, my gang will buy a F-18, they can afford it, straffing run. So the coke traffic is not interrupted. Pass a law.

My point about the money that you've essentially reinforced is that because it's illegal, the profit margin is extremely lucrative. For those willing to risk imprisonment or worse, there's a fortune to be made. And there's no loss of income to the IRS criminals because you're can't be required by the Constitution to self-incriminate. Requiring the reporting of illegal income violates the Fifth Amendment. So the money to be made is phenomenal if you're willing to take the risks.

And if you're high enough up in the hierarchy and willing to forfeit a few million to the politicians, you can launder the money so its source becomes very difficult to trace and, voila!, you're legitimate.

Of course, if you're the progeny of a high-ranking politician (like Albert A. Gore JUNIOR), then you are not punished for the 'crime' of smoking a joint or snorting a few lines or whatever. Like in Soviet Russia, it's a crime only if you're not a member of the elite ruling class.

These laws are only for the minions whose job it is to stay quiet about such things and pay the bills of the enlightened leadership who decry how they are saving us from the perils of illegal drugs.

The truth is, they are contributing more to the detriment of our society by perpetuating this stupid, vicious and evil attack on individual rights and freedoms. They create peril in the streets of America with idiotic laws that make it profitable for armed gangs of thugs to fight over their turf to control the drug trade, prostitution, etc.

These idiot politicians by this moronic effort and pursuit take away valuable law enforcement assets that could pursue real crimes, those involving the initiation of the use of force. But instead of taking an intelligent rational approach, politicians would rather subvert freedom and individual rights than go after real problems.

And I genuinely believe that part of the problem is that politicians NEED highly visible crises to perpetuate their image of usefulness. As a perfect example, look at the Clinton-Gore administration of the past 8 years. They came into office crying about the myriad of problems that America needed to fix.

Now Gore is trying to get elected itemizing the same dirty-laundry list of problems that needs to be fixed. The asshole was there for 8 years and did nothing except violate law after law that his party fought to pass and now wants to be entrusted with the task of solving problems he's ignored for 8 years. And if he gets elected, he will ignore these problems until the next election and use them to justify another four years of his stupidity and lawlessness in the White House.

Societal problems are good campaign material. Societal problems solved are not. Which choice will the career politician make? Look at the history of the Democratic Party mainly but to a significant extent, the Republican Party as well. Both perpetually decry the problems in America. And the solution on both sides is the same: more laws, more government programs, higher taxes and more government intervention into people's private lives and business. The problems never get solved and often the 'solutions' create more and worse problems which require? you guessed it, more government programs and taxes.

The Drug Problem is only a problem for politicians if it's fixed. When solved, they must scurry to find another Problem which requires their superlative problem solving ability to manage and solve as they have so deftly eliminated poverty with Lyndon B. Johnson's War on Poverty of the sixties.

BTW, I didn't get the "Lighten up ..." question.

 

[kathy stl]

In Trouble

I knew I'd get myself in trouble with this thread. Let's see...

Latina, no, I'm not in jail or in a gang now. I was never really "in" a gang, I was whatcha'd call a party favor for some serious importers. They didn't let women, let alone white american women, "in" the gang. I know very little about how the whole thing worked, but I saw stuff that amazed me. Then I was in jail for awhile. And they didn't let me play sexy games on the internet while I was there. I have been a bartender pretty much for three years, but danced for like a month, till the feet hurt too bad. Whew! given all that, can't I still be "a sweet, sexy and fun lady"? or at least try? If I'd known my image was sweet and sexey, I'd a never posted this thread! yikes I blew it! but if you mean that Latina, and I guess you do, thank you. I enjoy playing out here.

And I've never been in treatment, well actually I had to go to CA as part a my probation, but I mostly snoozed. I don't know how I quit. It just happened. I don question it, afraid it will go away. But I sure would push for treatment instead a small cages. Anybody wants to get tough on drug abusers oughta spend at least one night in one a those small cages. They slam that door on you for the first time, I don even know how to describe it.

and Nogard - "you can petition the government for the return of voting and other rights"

I just finished my probation like this summer so maybe I could do this now. But to tell the truth, goin anywhere near the government scares me so bad I wanna pee my panties.

and UncleBill - well you know tons more than me about this stuff, but the "lighten up" was a meaningless joke in my two beer haze.

 

[*Eve*]

Hi UncleBill!!!!

 

[Unclebill]

Geez, *Eve*, a post just to say Hi!

I'm flattered beyond words, you gorgeous vixen! An e-mail would have been fine. Thanks, though, so much for the post. A real ego boost there or here or wherever. Now you got me all flustered with this attention. <blush>

{{{*Eve*}}}

 

[kathy stl]

Hey guys? get a room?