war draft

[HARDKOREBJ]

what do think of it?

 

[SoftPeaches]

I doubt that it will have to be implemented.

 

[HARDKOREBJ]

draft

if we went to war and lost lots of men.it may have to come to that.

 

[Guest]

Well...

Being a fat woman with slight asthma, I know I won't ever get drafted.

 

[HARDKOREBJ]

yes

true

 

[A_Jacks]

There will be no war.

Eventually some mid-level Afgan diplomat will approach his American counter part and say, "You know, we could work with you, if you could just see it to [grant us, give us, sell us on credit, pick one] and the we'll send bin bin baby packing.

We'll cut a deal, pick him up, try him, give him the death sentence and he will die in jail of old age while awaiting appeal on numerous technicalities. Johhy Cochran will probably defend. "If the Turban don't fit, you must aquit."

 

[Gilly Bean]

Reguardless of what tiny itty bitty country we may go to war with over this, it's not like it will be a huge all out war comparable to Veitnam, or WW1, or WW2. When is the last time the draft was enacted? Veitnam. Compare Veitnam with Desert Storm.


"More than two million Americans - one percent of the population - took part in the Vietnam war during the ten years it affected our lives... either in Vietnam itself, from neighboring nations, or on the seas near it."

Do you honestly think it will take us 10 years to deal with this?

Then, look at the amount of people who are enlisted in the armed services now, plus reserves, as compared to then.

In Desert Storm, there were just over 200 US casualties. Which meant, most of them men who went, served, and did the time. We didn't need to draft for more, because A: there was no need to be comstintly replacing those who died, and B: it was a small country, who had little, or no support. Which sounds identical to this war in that aspect.

This is only my opinion, but I honsetly doubt this is going to be a huge all out war. We are strong enough to defeat anyone of a small nation nearly hands down. Top that with the fact that we have nearly every large country, and most of the rest of the world, supporting us in this.

If you are scared of being drafted, why not wait a while till it gets to be a long dragged out event before doing so.

And as one reservist recently said to me:

"This is a free country, but everyone has to be able to help out, and give a hand. If it comes to a draft, then it does, but don't dodge it, and expect to be living in a free country anymore."

In other words, if it comes down to it, be proud to serve your country if you are called upon.

 

[Chuckus]

Do you honestly think it will take us 10 years to deal with this?

Unfortunately Gilly Bean I do. I am prepared for it to take longer. I am an eternal optimist, but I also realize that it may be worst case we have to work with. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

We might have to go in and occupy a country to rid this planet of wasted human space.

I hope it doesn't come to that but if it does, I will be one of the first to sign up, no doubt about it.

 

[Gilly Bean]

Do you honestly think it will take us 10 years to deal with this?

Unfortunately Gilly Bean I do. I am prepared for it to take longer. I am an eternal optimist, but I also realize that it may be worst case we have to work with. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

We might have to go in and occupy a country to rid this planet of wasted human space.

I hope it doesn't come to that but if it does, I will be one of the first to sign up, no doubt about it.

Honestly though, with as many people in so many people backing us, and with little, or no backing for them, it will not take 10 years to weed one guy out. We have the man power, the weapon power, and more determination then they could have ever thought possible.

If they had more supporters, or even bigger supporters, then I would be inclined to agree that it will take time. They just don't though. i know, it may sound very egotistical, but I doubt this thing lasts more then a year. The after effects will last forever, but the actual war could be done and over with before someone at McDonalds has time to ask if we want Fries with that.

 

[Wizard]

I have a son 12 and have thought about that...............18 isn't to far away...................

As for the draft I myself am 34 but would gladly go if my country needed me too......................................

 

[Chuckus]

Honestly though, with as many people in so many people backing us, and with little, or no backing for them, it will not take 10 years to weed one guy out. We have the man power, the weapon power, and more determination then they could have ever thought possible.

If they had more supporters, or even bigger supporters, then I would be inclined to agree that it will take time. They just don't though. i know, it may sound very egotistical, but I doubt this thing lasts more then a year. The after effects will last forever, but the actual war could be done and over with before someone at McDonalds has time to ask if we want Fries with that.

I disagree totally with you. This is going to be a much different type of war. We are not only after ONE guy we are after an entire Genre of people who are terrorist. Maybe 10 years is a little on the high side, but who knows.

If you think this will be quick and decisive, IMHO you are wrong. This will not be "Watch CNN" and see us bomb Bagdhad. Sure we will have other nations helping us, but WE as the US and also as the Police Force of the World will, once again, be placing the majority of our Military in Harms way. I don't mean to take away from other nations but that is just the way I see it. I do think other nations will be involved heavily but time will tell.

If you think that this will last less than a year, you are wrong IMHO. I just don't see it being so quick and decisive. It is NOT a nation, city or state we are fighting. We are hiding cowards who hide, sneak attack and are chicken shits unless they can unexpectedly blow something up.

Gilly, I hope you are right but I am personally prepared if you are wrong.

 

[morninggirl5]

Honestly though, with as many people in so many people backing us, and with little, or no backing for them, it will not take 10 years to weed one guy out. We have the man power, the weapon power, and more determination then they could have ever thought possible.

If they had more supporters, or even bigger supporters, then I would be inclined to agree that it will take time. They just don't though. i know, it may sound very egotistical, but I doubt this thing lasts more then a year. The after effects will last forever, but the actual war could be done and over with before someone at McDonalds has time to ask if we want Fries with that.

Weeding one guy out isn't all that we have to accomplish to end attacks like we saw Tuesday.

We have to end those regimes that harbor and sponsor Bin Laden and other groups that have no nation but seek to destroy others.

Chuckus is closer to the true time frame. I hope it only lasts a year or so, but we have to be prepared for it to be much longer.

As for a draft, I hope we don't have to institute one. My brother is 17 and I know he would be called in for duty. Of course, he may volunteer to go long before any draft number would come up. My father and uncles did just as my grandfather and his brothers went to WWII.

 

[Chuckus]

and before others flame me.............I said "but WE as the US and also as the Police Force of the World will, once again, be placing the majority of our Military in Harms way. I don't mean to take away from other nations but that is just the way I see it. I do think other nations will be involved heavily but time will tell. "

That is just the way I see it. Maybe that is wrong and maybe dead wrong but just the nature of the beast. I think other nations will be involved, quite heavily in fact early on, but after awhile when the interest fades, that is when it will change. I hope I am wrong.........and I do not mean an ill feelings towards any other nations, as I am thankful for all the support and the support yet to come.

 

[morninggirl5]

and before others flame me.............I said "but WE as the US and also as the Police Force of the World will, once again, be placing the majority of our Military in Harms way. I don't mean to take away from other nations but that is just the way I see it. I do think other nations will be involved heavily but time will tell. "

That is just the way I see it. Maybe that is wrong and maybe dead wrong but just the nature of the beast. I think other nations will be involved, quite heavily in fact early on, but after awhile when the interest fades, that is when it will change. I hope I am wrong.........and I do not mean an ill feelings towards any other nations, as I am thankful for all the support and the support yet to come.

Once again, I think you are right. I believe that the military actions taken will be us alone from the beginning. Based on the remarks of Colin Powell this week, we are asking for support from our allies, but not their military involvement directly. The men and women putting their lives on the line will be American under American leadership with American objectives and targets.

 

[p_p_man]

Maybe 10 years is a little on the high side, but who knows.

The UK has been fighting terrorism in the UK for 40 years, and they're home grown so to speak.

Even now that the IRA is taking part in Government a new terrorist organisation, the Real IRA, has sprung up to take its place.

The longer the battle, the more the casualties.

If we all go ahead with this plan to seek and destroy terrorism on a global basis then there is no end in sight.

10 years? A blink of an eye!

 

[Eve_of_destruction]

I have 2 children, the love of my life: A 17-year old son, and a 20-year old son. The youngest just fought and won his own battle for life (cancer), and my oldest has panic attacks that disable him from doing even the simplest of tasks. Do I want to see them, or any young men, put into the position of defending their country by giving their lives? NO. Do I want to see more innocent people from faraway lands, many of them women and children, being murdered by our young men in the name of freedom? NO.

But do we have any other choice? Someone, anyone... answers, please! I don't want this to be another Vietnam.

 

[Chuckus]

Eve of Destruction

I do not want to see innocent people die.

However, we do nothing. Attacks escalate.
We do nothing. Your town could be next.

We must do something. We must eradicate this disease from the face of this earth. It will not be easy, nor fun. But for the sake of everyone on this planet to stop the innocent bloodshed by a few people on the fringes of society we must obliterate them. We must be very decisive and very accurate. Unfortunately some innocent people will die, many already have throughout the world.

I do not want this type of action/crime to go unchecked. If we do nothing, then they have won.

For me it actually runs much deeper than that but I do not see that we have a choice other than to serve Justice for all of mankind. Of course this is IMHO.

 

[HARDKOREBJ]

WELL

it would be the american thing to do and serve our country.

 

[morninggirl5]

Do I want to see them, or any young men, put into the position of defending their country by giving their lives? NO. Do I want to see more innocent people from faraway lands, many of them women and children, being murdered by our young men in the name of freedom? NO.

But do we have any other choice? Someone, anyone... answers, please! I don't want this to be another Vietnam.

Eve,

The time has come that we either defend our freedom or surrender it. We as a nation have to decide whether we are willing to pay the price to coninue to live in liberty and security. If we don't take action and send a loud, clear, forceful message that America will not be a victim, then the attacks will only increase in intensity and frequency.

If you don't want this to become another Vietnam, then you take the power in your hands and support our leaders and our military. Do you honestly believe that President Bush, Secretary (General) Powell and Vice President Cheney want to see any of our military men lose their lives or learn what it means to take another life? They're compassionate men, and were there any other way to combat this enemy they would take it.

The truth is there is NO other way. These radical factions respect no response other than equal barbarity. We can force them to respect our might or we can watch many more Americans die.

Members of Bin Laden's groups have been interviewed and called all Americans cowards because they say we're not willing to suffer and fight for what we believe in. It's time to answer that claim. Do we prove them wrong or right?

 

[DarlingBri]

I think some people are missing a few important points here.

If we indescriminately bomb/attack/declare war on Afghanistan, other Islamic nations are politically and religiously obligated to rise to the occasion. It's much like the Bush rhetoric that an attack on America is an attack on democracy itself, the very same rhetoric he is using to call other countries to this battle.

Essentially, we will enter a Holy War.

Now, lest we forget, there are millions of Islamic people in the US and across the Western world. A number of these will be fundamentalists, and we will be inviting domestic terrorism. America is a melting pot, but there are as many Islamic nuts in the mix as there are Christian nuts, Jewish nuts, etc. They're just a little differently motivated.

Trust me, anyone living in the UK/Ireland region knows all too well exactly what domestic terrorism in the name of religion means. So do people in countries torn by all-out civil war. It's unrelenting, because a side religiously motivated knows theirs is the righteous path to glory.

So, shall we round up everyone with an Islamic affliation and inter them as we shamefully did Japanese Americans in WW II?

As to this being a quick war in which we can surely kick the ass out of Afghanistan, well, that's what everyone said about Vietnam. Let's not forget how painfully unprepared we were for ground warfare in that country. And how committed we were when we found that out.

If Bush is smart (which he is not), he'll take his closest ally in this crusade, Britain (others are dropping like flies) and ask the UK Special Forces to do a ground operation out of Parkistan to pull out Bin Laden if Afghanistan won't hand him over. It's not a matter of who's flag flies, it's a matter of getting the job done, and the Brit's are best at this.

No war. No draft. No thousands of needlessly lost American boys. And no glory.

So, sadly, an unlikely solution.

 

[christo]

This is a war quite unlike any we've fought before, unless you count Thomas Jefferson sending ships to fight the Barbary pirates about 200 years ago. Our military is set up to fight big battles against armies in the field. We might not be fighting that kind of war. I don't know what type of military action we're planning to take, but I don't think it's going to be the Marines landing in Afghanistan and then sweeping across the Middle East. Instead of fighting one or two big battles over the course of a few weeks, it might be hundreds of little battles over years.

We have forces well-equiped to do the job, but a lot of our military might not be much use. We have these heavy armored divisions that smashed Iraq, but what good are they in chasing bin Laden through the ravines of Afghanistan?

If we send small, elite units after terrorists, quick hits to kill them and then get out, it's going to be a long, bloody war, because in a fight between men on the ground our technological advantages are much more limited.

A scary book to read right now would be "Black Hawk Down", the story of the fight our soldiers fought in Somalia. It's horrible. Some of the most highly trained soliders on Earth ended up in a desperate firefight against a mob armed with automatic rifles.

If we get help from the other nations of the world. even the ones like Iran and Pakistan that may have been helping terrorists, it will make a huge difference. Without help from these nations the terrorists will be far more vulnerable, and easier for us to find and kill. And if the governments of these iffy nations know that we'll obliterate them, without warning, if they try this crap again, that helps too. The rules of the game have changed on their end as well. We're not going to wait to get hit anymore. We'll hit first.

More Americans are going to die. It's inevitable. The Gulf War convinced a lot of people that you fought wars by remote control, at a safe distance. It's a horrible, messy business. Hopefully our casualties will be kept to an absolute minimum. But it's not going to be easy, or quick.

Evil thrives when good men do nothing. It's time for good men to do what needs to be done.

 

[Cheyenne]

If Bush is smart (which he is not), he'll take his closest ally in this crusade, Britain (others are dropping like flies) and ask the UK Special Forces to do a ground operation out of Parkistan to pull out Bin Laden if Afghanistan won't hand him over. It's not a matter of who's flag flies, it's a matter of getting the job done, and the Brit's are best at this.

No war. No draft. No thousands of needlessly lost American boys. And no glory.

So, sadly, an unlikely solution.

Let me understand what you are saying:

You say the Brit's Special Forces are best at doing ground operations. As opposed to who- America?

And you say Bush isn't smart, so he won't let the Brits do the work for us. Because there won't be any glory in it for America if we did?

Is that what you are telling all of us you really believe?

 

[Samuari]

Trust me, anyone living in the UK/Ireland region knows all too well exactly what domestic terrorism in the name of religion means. So do people in countries torn by all-out civil war. It's unrelenting, because a side religiously motivated knows theirs is the righteous path to glory.

Does this follow? The Brits are going get this SOB when they have been rather less than succesful in thier own backyard over the last forty years?

If Bush is smart (which he is not), which Ivy league school did you convice to give you an MBA? he'll take his closest ally in this crusade, Britain (others are dropping like flies) and ask the UK Special Forces to do a ground operation out of Parkistan to pull out Bin Laden if Afghanistan won't hand him over. It's not a matter of who's flag flies, it's a matter of getting the job done, and the Brit's are best at this.

No war. No draft. No thousands of needlessly lost American boys. And no glory.

So, sadly, an unlikely solution.

Or is this yet another example of your famed British understated humor?

 

[Samuari]

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[Guest]

Let me understand what you are saying:

You say the Brit's Special Forces are best at doing ground operations. As opposed to who- America?

And you say Bush isn't smart, so he won't let the Brits do the work for us. Because there won't be any glory in it for America if we did?

Is that what you are telling all of us you really believe?

Brits are free to kill who they wish without a trial. We use them often for dirty work. Yet they cry about our death penalty. But if push comes to shove I say send in the SEALs