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From the Epitaph newsletter, Last week and today:

THE PUNK ROCK EDITORIAL

Now, this is a new slant on this thing...kind of. It's a socioeconomic commentary on "big businesses" that is written by a person with a first-hand account. We (Epitaph) and I (Mike Oxsmall, Epitaph Web Monkey) have no particular contempt, hatred, dislike and/or scorn for the said companies in this particular editorial. This is his opinion and we are just providing a forum for discussion. I say this because I don't want people getting all pissed and saying we are "Walmart" haters and bullshit like that. Okay, now on with it!


I'm sick of the "what's punk" editorials. Here's something new.

There I was, just down the road from the Super Walmart, across the street from Home Deopt and Petsmart, next to Shopko and Staples, staring at asign. Its red, white and blue letters brought tears to my eyes, and as I read I fell to my knees and praised
God for finding us humble Loganites worthy of such a sacred message: "COMING SOON SAM'S CLUB." That's right folks, the Jesus of discount stores is coming to Logan. And make no mistake, "It's a Big Deal!" Cheap prices and plenty of parking, must be the American dream! Not to mention all those deals on disposable plastic crap you don't really need. But before you start polishing up those credit cards, before you succumb to the temptations of the biggest of big box stores, take another look at the Wallyworld empire.

According to the standards of capitalism, Walmart (who owns Sam's Club, duh) is the ultimate example of a good thing. It has almost a million employees, making it the largest private employer in the country. The company owns 3,500 stores on 4 continents, and a new one opens every 2 days. It netted profits last year of 4 billion dollars, and is well on the way to becoming the first company to gross 400 billion in a single year.

Big profits, but at what cost? The pattern is well established: Wally builds a gigantic cinder block warehouse at the edge of town and sells most everything imaginable at a discount. Soon the masses are driving in from miles around, taking advantage of the convenient one-stop shopping and avoiding the downtown businesses completely. The locally owned shops just con't compete with Wally's low prices, especially when business has dropped so much. One by one they go out of business, and Main Street U.S.A. becomes a ghetto of empty store fronts and "for rent" signs.

A study in Iowa revealed that after 5 years of Walmart, the state lost 25 percent of its local businesses. 10 years after Wally entered the state, over 7,000 businesses had closed, mostly specialty shops like optometrists and photo studios, but also grocery stores and pharmacies. Fact is, 87 percent of the average Walmart's profits are captured from other merchants, especially small business owners. A Dartmouth University study suggests that while the typical Walmart creates 140 mostly minimum wage jobs, it destroys 230 higher paying jobs in the process. Sure, Wally pays the most in sales tax, but overall tax revenues actually decline after Walmart moves into town. Local businesses tend to "recycle" profits in their own community, spending their hard earned dollars at other locally owned stores and generally sharing the wealth. Compare this to Walmart, which funnels its billions in profits to a distant corporate headquarters where no one cares what happens to the folks in Cache County.

Even worse, many local governments (like Logan's) offer big tax breaks to Wally as an incentive for him to build in their town. Five years later, when the downtown business district is ruined, the same local government will use our tax dollars to embark on "downtown revitalization" schemes to try and fix what Walmart has destroyed.
Wally likes to tout the rags to riches story of Sam Walton. It likes to hide behind those smiling yellow happy faces and patriotic flags, even going so far as to come up with a "Buy American" campaign. (They also have "Buy Mexican" and "Buy Canadian" campaigns in those countries). Ironically, Walmart is the largest seller of Chinese goods on earth, and over 80 percent of its garments are made outside of America, usually in places where 75 hour work weeks and wages of 50 cents per day aren't uncommon. No wonder those bras are so cheap!

In short, Walmart sucks. They bleed a town dry, then use the profits to do the same thing somewhere else. Do you really want to support this? Sure, you might get a cheap hairdryer, but in the long run you're harming the community in which you live. My suggestion: Spend your money elsewhere. Not at another big box store either, but at one of the many small businesses here in Logan. Prices may seem higher, but this will be offset by the reduction in impulse purchases of Wally's garbage. This isn't a boycott of Walmart, it's an investment in the future of your community.

Now this weeks

THE PUNK ROCK EDITORIAL
Okay, okay...you really liked last week's editorial about the whole "big business" thing; well, here is another person with a similar perspective on the situation-

Here's an interesting continuation to your Wal-mart editorial.

Note: If you haven't noticed, there is even a difference in prices at
Wal-Marts from community to community. Once Wal-Mart has driven the competition out of business, (some after generations of local service) they inch prices up into their "regular" range. Locally for instance, the Hanover, Pa. Wal-Mart, which has quite a bit of competition from K-Mart, Giant, Weis Markets, Kohl's and some other larger "chain" retailers, offers lower prices on many items, than the Gettysburg, Pa. Wal-Mart, which is only 15- 20 minutes away. The difference; there is far less competition in
Gettysburg. When Wal-Mart came to town around 10 years ago, Gettysburg's
"downtown" merchants were slowly but surely, "wiped out" for the most part.
Luckily, for Gettysburg, with the tourist trade, the "conventional" stores that were forced out of business, (Zerfing's hardware, Wogan's drugstore, clothing stores, shoe stores) were at least eventually replaced by more "unconventional" stores (art galleries, antique shops and "touristy" gift shops) so the downtown wasn't reduced to just streets full of abandoned buildings.

Then, there is the issue of Wal-Mart's censorship of music. Go to Wal-Mart and try to buy any cd with a "parental advisory" sticker on it. You can't!
Wal-Mart will not sell it. While many record stores have a policy of not selling p.a. cd's to anyone under 16, (this varies depending on the store)
Wal-Mart refuses to sell anything with a p.a. sticker. So by not editing their albums, artists must accept that Wal-Mart won't sell their music. Try to find Marilyn Manson, or Slayer, or hell almost any punk band...you can't because they won't dillute their music, so Wal-Mart won't sell it.

Don't forget the issue of customer service. Their floor service SUCKS! Wal-Mart can run all the commercials they want showing all their friendly, happy, smiling "associates" dancing through the aisles kissing babies, sending every "white-bread" kid in America to college, curing the sick and raising the dead. But, if you've ever walked around Wal-Mart for 45 minutes looking for something, and been ignored or worse, avoided, by all their shiny, happy, lazy salespeople, you know what I mean. If I had a dollar for
everytime I've heard "sorry, this isn't my department." and then had the sales associate walk away, I could put a down-payment on a house somewhere where they don't have a Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is the EVIL EMPIRE!
 
Sucks, but this is the way of the world, my friend. Walmart does well because lotso people shop there. Same reason Hollywood makes a gazzillion movies like the Scorpion King and Scooby Doo every year. Incredibly, its what people want.


Get used to it.
 
Funny, but the Wal-Mart thats been here for 13-14 years hasn't brought down the competition. Still scores of locally owned shops, Shop-Ko's, K-Mart, Kohls, Target's and our mall are open and doing quite well. Of course Wal-Mart and the nearby Sam's Club do most of the business but the other stores have stayed open and show profits. Maybe the Wal-Mart causing the closure of other businesses only happens in smaller cities?
 
SleepingWarrior said:
Funny, but the Wal-Mart thats been here for 13-14 years hasn't brought down the competition. Still scores of locally owned shops, Shop-Ko's, K-Mart, Kohls, Target's and our mall are open and doing quite well. Of course Wal-Mart and the nearby Sam's Club do most of the business but the other stores have stayed open and show profits. Maybe the Wal-Mart causing the closure of other businesses only happens in smaller cities?


It's happened in Richmond and it's a medium size city...

Best, Woolworth, K-Mart and tons of other places I can't remember have gone out of buisness because of them...
 
i used to work at a Target

at least we had customer service AND A CLEAN FUCKING STORE!

compared to a Target or a ShopKo, Wal-Mart is one dirty-ass store! going from Target or ShopKo to a Wal-Mart is like going from Hillside to Mountain View (for anybody who is familiar with Anchorage) or Beverly Hills to Compton! not only that, but have you looked at the average Wal-Mart customer in places where there are other, nicer, chain retail stores? in the city where i worked at Target, Sioux Falls, SD, the average Wally-Hell customer can be seen wearing a wifebeater and an inch-thick layer of grime (male) or clothes that are 10 years out of date and were bought from some second-hand store or hand-me-downs from spiteful in-laws.
 
Just had a funny thought.

My grandmother and mom both live in a bo-dunk town out in east Texas. They have a Wal-mart.

Would you like to know what my grandmother calls it?



Neiman's on the Lake

Anywho...


I think it's past my bed time....
 
In a town of a population of under 5000 and a Wal Mart one the outskirts, go downtown and try, just try, to find an open store.

My dad says if Wal Mart gave away "get out of hell" passes he wouldn't shop there. And he doesn't.
He's as stubborn as a mule but ya have to love his ability to stick to his convictions. :cool:
 
It's hard to point the finger at just Walmart.

Rural America has been dying up for some time. Most of the small towns where I live are less than half their former size and many are literally no more than highway signs that say 6 miles to X_____, but when you get there, all you find is a few long-abandoned homes and maybe a church still open serving the elderly population.

With the death of family farming, there are no opportunities here for the young, so they move to the city.

Walmart did come up with a brilliant strategy of developing a rural base before entering the cities and using it's voluminous buying power to cut great deals with suppliers. Plus they were very aggressive with loss leaders, price espionage, value goods (i.e., before you bought crap at these volume places like K-mart, but Walmart had tough quality standards for it's products and took the time to find innovative items.), a modern inventory system that worked directly with suppliers, and a superior distribution center.

You can say what you want about them, but they are indespensable in some ways to our way of life now. And many businesses have sprung up or continue to exist because they provide goods and services which Walmart does not. For example, ALL Walmarts used to have extensive pet stores. Now they just sell pet supplies because they could not effectively maintain live stock unlike the local pet store which is devoted to its animals. Similarly, I would not take my auto to the Walmart mechanics for work...

Walmart is not the disease, but a symptom, and a model for all businesses that seek to be successful.
 
How much individuality and culture are you willing to sacrifice for low prices?

I hate how people "my age" dress. I really do. It helps that I hate most of the people my age because there's a high level of jerkdom in them.

So I don't want to dress like them. Try going to a mall, try going anywhere. It's hard. The homoginization of society is so wide that it's hard to be different.
 
I'm not the most accomplished of world travelers, but I've never seen a town with just a Wal-Mart. In my city, there's a Wal-Mart SuperCenter/Sam's Club, a Meijer (same idea, just in the Great Lakes area only), they're building a SuperTarget a block away from there, and there's a Big K-Mart less than two miles away. So sticking small-town America's problems only on Sam Walton's shoulders seems a bit wrong to me.

My preference is Meijer only because I worked there for two years. :)

TB4p
 
SD,

“How much individuality and culture are you willing to sacrifice for low prices?”

How much individuality and cultural differences do you think there are in rural America?



TB4P,

Again, you see the culmination of the strategy. Try Fort Scott, KS.
 
sd412 said:
How much individuality and culture are you willing to sacrifice for low prices?

I hate how people "my age" dress. I really do. It helps that I hate most of the people my age because there's a high level of jerkdom in them.

So I don't want to dress like them. Try going to a mall, try going anywhere. It's hard. The homoginization of society is so wide that it's hard to be different.


Boy this sure is a controversial subject.

You know, it's tough trying to look different just like everyone else.
 
SINthysist said:
Walmart is not the disease, but a symptom, and a model for all businesses that seek to be successful.
well put, but I still hate the bastards for accusing me of shoplifting..not been back since even though they gave me a $25 gift card for the fact the clerkette simply had a bone to pick with me. :D
 
Hmmmmmmmm.......

sd412 said:
How much individuality and culture are you willing to sacrifice for low prices?

I hate how people "my age" dress. I really do. It helps that I hate most of the people my age because there's a high level of jerkdom in them.

So I don't want to dress like them. Try going to a mall, try going anywhere. It's hard. The homoginization of society is so wide that it's hard to be different.


Do any of you guys remember when malls first started to be developed out in the near 'burbs of cities? Weren't the "Main Street" merchants the ones who led the parade to stop every one of them?:confused:

Rhumb:cool:
 
Yes.

Main street has gone the way of the front porch.

Besides, who wants to make thirty stops, stand in thirty lines, look for thirty parking spaces...

WHEN YOU CAN SHOP ON THE WEB!

How long before Walmart shareholders start screaming bloody murder about the next cutting-edge company or marketing technology?
 
SINthysist said:
Yes.

Main street has gone the way of the front porch.

Besides, who wants to make thirty stops, stand in thirty lines, look for thirty parking spaces...

WHEN YOU CAN SHOP ON THE WEB!

How long before Walmart shareholders start screaming bloody murder about the next cutting-edge company or marketing technology?

Actually, Wal-Mart is one of the more renegade online buisness, if you believe it.
They sell OS-less PCs and PCs with Mandrake Linux and Lindows.

They're one of the few ones to do it. Actually, they're the only one I can name off hand who does it.
 
Still onthe cutting edge. Better products. Better delivery. No wonder Martha has to cheat...
 
Wow, a thread on Wally World, im impressed.

Let me throw my two cents in on this little debate. I live in the Columbia SC area, and we have 6 Supper Wal-Marts in a the area, as well as 2 Sam Clubs, and a half dozzen or so Wal-Marts.

The South is like Wal-Mart crazy, hence forth the name Wally World. I have gone in there from time to time, but mostly stay away because its like a mad house. Ya have to park like 2 miles from the damn store because thats the closest parking spot you can find. Then you spend a few months walking around trying to find out where you can find the damn hardware section, witch you come to find out is only a small section in the back of the store.

Then to top it off you go to check out and see that they have 150 checkout lanes but only 5 of the bastards are open, with 200 people in each line. Then to piss you off further you see 10-20 Wal-Mart emploies standing around talking, knowing that theres only 5 lanes open and 200 people in each line, and they give ya that" I dont give a shit look"

Now that I have vented, let me put a lighter side to this debate. Wal-mart is the only place I know where you can see the weirdest people. I have seen circus freak material in there. You can always see a kid get his ass whooped at Wal-Mart, or see a child scream and yell, while spining around on the floor because he didnt get the damn toy he wanted. Wal-Mart is also a big place for Trailer park people to show off the fashion cents they dont have.

Also got to love the greeters at Wal-Mart, damn people are fit for retirement but Wal-Mart hires then to piss you off. Also if you go in there late at night, like 2-3 am you can really see some weird people, the kind ya only hear about on like the Art Bell show, lol

So I look at Wal-mart as a source of entertainment, while some here in Columbia see it as a posable place to pick up a date, I kid you not.

Case in point. A couple meet in our Forest Acres Supper Wal-Mart a year ago, fall in love and got married. Ok, so you say thats normal. . . . is it?? How many of you would get married in Wally World? They did, thats right they had the wedding in Wal-Mart, with the reception in the snack bar. Now if that isn't funny what is.

Well, I've said my peace, so ya all have a great day. :)
 
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