Voluntary cut-offs for top list poems

[Unmasked Poet]

Poets, read the "Go ask alice" thread then cast your vote here.

U.P.

 

[REDWAVE]

Gallup would not approve

UP, with all due respect, the way you worded the options, you seriously biassed this poll. The "Yes" option is worded in such a way as to make it seem positive and attractive, while the "No" option is worded in such a way as to make anyone who selects it feel like a jerk. You've predetermined the outcome by the way you've asked the questions.

 

[WickedEve]

Not the best poll! lol But read the other thread. He has a good idea.
Redwave, U.P. is trying. Very trying sometimes. lol

 

[Unmasked Poet]

No why would anyone feel like a jerk

Redwave,

I do have an agenda that is to clear old poems off the list so that newer poems can get some light. The voting is anonymous I put it there to get opinions. I think 90 days is enough attention for a poem. We have 100 slots and 19 poets taking them up. The poem at 88 will stay on the list till the end of time we have poems on the list that were listed in 2000. Biased, darn tootin I am!

As for feeling like a jerk if they select no well too bad! I'm not going to be PC about this. Those who want to make space will and those who don't won't. The wording in the poll won't change their minds about that. Everybody wants and has a right to want their 15 minutes, besides that's why I put the other.

Wicked's chopped off her old ones so has SA Storm. If nothing else it will make room for more of tigerjen's old poems.

Vive La Revolution!

U.P.

 

[Unmasked Poet]

WickedEve

What, you guys want to be famous forever!
I love that poll, it's raw, gritty, insensitive, why its like taking up all the seats on a bus with packages while people are standing.
We'll we got people standing here! Just how many seats do we want to save for the fatcats?

U.P.

Strike! Strike! Strike! Strike!

 

[WickedEve]

Vive La Revolution!

Just listen to you, U.P.! I think I'm aroused! lol

If nothing else it will make room for more of tigerjen's old poems.

Uh... that is possible. lol tj will be in the top 100. tj WILL BE the top 100!

 

[WickedEve]

What, you guys want to be famous forever!

Yes, but not for poetry. I want to be famous for my wickedness. I want to be remembered as being a very naughty girl.
I still have a ways to go.

 

[Jazzy2]

RED, Home slice

Ain't you the kettle callin' the skillet black! LOL

Stop playa hatin'. You know you want your 15 seconds of fame, too. I'm readin' you all the time.

Jazzy2

 

[REDWAVE]

Hey, Jazzy2

Only fifteen seconds? Boo hoo-- Andy Warhol promised me fifteen minutes of fame.

My point here is the idea of posting a poll is supposed to be to find out what other people think. UP is manipulatively using this poll to support a pre-conceived conclusion.

He's a diabolically clever fellow, that Moriarty.

 

[Cyberguy]

I'm a "new poet" and I vote No!

I just posted a long-winded reply on this subject on the Go ask Alice thread, so I won't repeat that here.

I would suggest rephrasing the poll choices as follows:

Yes, I want to ensure that new poets never get on the top list, because to get on the list you have to get votes, and to get votes you have to get read, and to get read you have to be seen, and to be seen you have to be on the top list, and so the only poets that will get on the top list are the well-known ones who get lots of votes as soon as they announce they have posted a new poem.

No, while I think some changes may be needed to foster greater diversity on the top list, the top list should reflect the highest rated poems on lit, regardless of time, and those that want to read new poems should read the new poems list.

 

[Unmasked Poet]

Polls

Cyberguy,

Great to have you aboard.

U.P.

 

[tigerjen]

Biased poll here.......but for your info I did vote
"Other".......

U.P......I sent you a reply via PM and also posted a
response in the "Go Ask Alice" thread.......

tigerjen

 

[KatPurrs]

Instructions Please

I voted to make room for new poems. But, how does one "chop off" a poem on the list. I'd like to get rid of my "The Ties That Bind" that's taken up the 25-28 slot forever.

Do you chop them out of your profile as well or just say "No" (wouldn't Nancy be proud?)in the vote option?

Thanks,

Kat~

P.S. Of course, since it take me 6 months to get 10 votes, I'll never see the list again but who really cares? Not me.

 

[Unmasked Poet]

That darn U.P.

Kat,
Don't do that! I was only addressing the poets who's older multiple listing were taking up a lot of space. Thank you.

Tigerjen,
The poll is not biased. The wording is biased as I meant it to be. The wording cannot affect the votes since the votes are not posted by member name. And while the wording is propaganda of the highest order it is also true.

REDWAVE,
That may be how you use polls, I swing them like a club.

U.P.

 

[REDWAVE]

Let's get down to the "nitty gritty"

Well, UP, your poll has acheieved its preordained results, although I see one person did vote for sending new poets to hell. The thing is, it probably would have achieved the same results, just not quite so lopsided, had you worded the choices neutrally. But obviously, you have your agenda here.

Speaking of which, let's stop just nibbling around the edges here, and get on down to the "nitty gritty" (as we used to say in the quaint '60's). You're talking about clearing old poems off the poetry toplist to make room for new poets. Looking over that toplist, whose name crops up far more than anyone else's? Tigerjen, of course. This is obviously directed toward her-- against her, some might say.

As a poet who's never had a poem on the toplist yet (although I am hopeful about my new poem "Crystal Dreams"-- plug, plug), I wouldn't mind some room being cleared off the toplist. But I also think tigerjen has every right to keep the voting turned on for her poems. Besides keeping her on the toplist, voting gives all authors here valuable information about readers' (at least those who vote) reaction to their stories.

I have heard allegations that tigerjen (or someone working with her) manipulates the voting on her poems to artificially inflate their rating. There's also evidence that someone, presumably a Tigress fan, attacked daughter's poems to drive them off the toplist, when daughter was starting to pose a real challenge to tigerjen. If all that's true, of course it's very reprehensible, but as far as I know, there's no proof that it's true.

Anyway, UP, sure, it's nice to make the toplist. But as you've demonstrated very aptly yourself, #1 doesn't necessarily mean best. It just means the most popular with voters. I watch my numbers-- like I said, they provide valuable information-- but I certainly don't live or die by them. I don't measure the worth of my poems by the number the system here attaches to them.

 

[daughter]

REDWAVE

I don't think U.P. was attacking tigerJen. Not his style. When have you known him to mince his words? I believe he meant what he said--make room. It really is that simple.

I'm pretty vocal. I don't have to be on the list to get read. I don't mince my words either. I'm sick of reading a list that is stagnant. I don't expect tigerjen not to dominate the board. Hell, just let her populate the board with something new.

Cutting off voting was a simple solution to droppng poems off. 15 or 40 poems doesn't make tigerjen anymore popular. If this option isn't desirable, okay. Folks dropped off and we have the same poems that we're there two months ago. So much for that idea. tigerjen rules. So what.

Peace,

daughter

 

[KillerMuffin]

I voted other.

Get rid of the toplists all together. What good do they do? Nada. Foster discussion instead.