Violent Black Youths - I blame their lack of fatherhood & direction

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/GabrielShoo/status/1455951589760503817

oooops, my bad, wrong video!

still ginger homie in the blue shirt took two full-on face shots to the dome and still wilded out on everyone...I'm never fucking with redhead motherfuckers with a grudge, meng....

 

[AlterErgo]

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while we can show 1,0903,837

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of NIGGER SHIT

fuck off LOSER NIGGER

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK, such an issue has been identified mainly with sons of Afro-Caribbean fathers. It doesn't seem to be so prevalent among other black people. But those boys often outperform poor white boys from the same area.

It isn't only missing fathers. The fathers that are present can be poor role models on the fringes of criminality.

But as with all generalisations, it isn't wholly true. There are many Afro-Caribbean fathers who are as good as any father, but yes, those kids with absent fathers can lack direction and fail to achieve.

Schools can only do so much; potential employers ditto. What is needed is for the community to change so absent fathers are not so common, and those fathers that are present are positive role models.

There are signs in the UK at least that some improvements are happening, as generation follows generation, each one doing better than the previous one.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

In the UK, such an issue has been identified mainly with sons of Afro-Caribbean fathers. It doesn't seem to be so prevalent among other black people. But those boys often outperform poor white boys from the same area.

It isn't only missing fathers. The fathers that are present can be poor role models on the fringes of criminality.

But as with all generalisations, it isn't wholly true. There are many Afro-Caribbean fathers who are as good as any father, but yes, those kids with absent fathers can lack direction and fail to achieve.

Schools can only do so much; potential employers ditto. What is needed is for the community to change so absent fathers are not so common, and those fathers that are present are positive role models.

There are signs in the UK at least that some improvements are happening, as generation follows generation, each one doing better than the previous one.

Theodore Dalrymple has written a lot about the phenomenon, no?

In the US, about 3/4 of all black babies are born to and raised by single mothers. The pathologies that attend this status are legion, and we see the fruits of it in our cities.

 

[coati]

oooops, my bad, wrong video!

It appears that the British whitey and the Yank whitey and the Whitey supremacist don't want to talk about the "wrong video", but would prefer to talk about the thread title instead.

Oh, well, any excuse will do...

 

[pecksniff]

Why do absent fathers matter so much? What do fathers do that mothers can't?

 

[wallstreetguy]

Why do absent fathers matter so much? What do fathers do that mothers can't?

Is this a joke?

 

[CornusKousa]

Why do absent fathers matter so much?

IDK... but the data is clear.

Having a father or father figure in the home is one of the biggest "privileges" a kid can have.

What do fathers do that mothers can't?

Not can't.... overwhelmingly don't.

The consensus seems to be structure, guidance and discipline.

 

[CornusKousa]

Is this a joke?

He's big on being as backwards as possible.

A legit peace is war and ignorance is strength kinda guy.

So don't be shocked if he's along shortly to try and convince you that single motherhood is the BEST way to raise children, the younger and less stable the mother, the better it is for the child and that it's the federal governments responsibility to raise these garden tools little bastards at your expense.

He's that kinda crazy.

 

[oggbashan]

Theodore Dalrymple has written a lot about the phenomenon, no?

In the US, about 3/4 of all black babies are born to and raised by single mothers. The pathologies that attend this status are legion, and we see the fruits of it in our cities.

In the UK, it is usually only seen with Afro-Caribbean fathers, and only some of them so the proportion of blacks is much lower, possibly 10% but enough to be a known problem.

 

[wallstreetguy]

He's big on being as backwards as possible.

A legit peace is war and ignorance is strength kinda guy.

So don't be shocked if he's along shortly to try and convince you that single motherhood is the BEST way to raise children, the younger and less stable the mother, the better it is for the child and that it's the federal governments responsibility to raise these garden tools little bastards at your expense.

He's that kinda crazy.

Ah, the ignorant contrarian. Got it.

 

[phrodeau]

Theodore Dalrymple has written a lot about the phenomenon, no?

In the US, about 3/4 of all black babies are born to and raised by single mothers. The pathologies that attend this status are legion, and we see the fruits of it in our cities.

Probably shouldn’t have sent all those black fathers to Vietnam to be killed or mentally damaged.

 

[rae121452]

https://twitter.com/GabrielShoo/status/1455951589760503817

oooops, my bad, wrong video!

still ginger homie in the blue shirt took two full-on face shots to the dome and still wilded out on everyone...I'm never fucking with redhead motherfuckers with a grudge, meng....

what you don't understand is that it isn't violent UNLESS there is a black involved. hell, even if it's a brother being lynched, police will still claim he was violent. white folks just get 'upset'.

 

[coati]

In the UK, it is usually only seen with Afro-Caribbean fathers, and only some of them so the proportion of blacks is much lower, possibly 10% but enough to be a known problem.

What are your citations for these statements?

 

[oggbashan]

What are your citations for these statements?

None, except that my daughter was a teacher in an inner London school and observed it at first hand, as did my friend's wife who was the Head Teacher of a London school whose catchment was a crime-ridden estate of social housing.

EDited for PS: I did some digging an found this:

From here:

https://hurt2healingmag.com/scandal-of-the-absent-black-fathers-in-the-uk/

The statistics in the UK show that 59% of black Caribbean children live in lone-parent households compared with 22% of white children. In London the population of the black Caribbean community is 321,300 (4.3% of the city’s population). Britain’s Prime Minister, David Cameron echoed President Barack Obama in 2008 by calling for absent black fathers to take more responsibility for their children. The Prime Minister called for a ‘responsibility revolution’ to change patterns of behavior. Many British MP’s who have researched this problem say that in the absence of a male role model, many young black men choose to emulate negative, violent lifestyles popularized by gangster rappers and celebrities. The British government will introduce powers to compel fathers to look after their children, Prime Minister said a new culture of respecting those in authority will also be drawn in.


And UK Government stats from Census:

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...y/demographics/families-and-households/latest

Both tend to show that it is a much smaller problem in the UK but that it is still a problem.

 

[coati]

Anyway, back to the video in the opening post, it reminds me of the Kubrick film A Clockwork Orange.

 

[coati]

None, except that my daughter was a teacher in an inner London school and observed it at first hand, as did my friend's wife who was the Head Teacher of a London school whose catchment was a crime-ridden estate of social housing.

^^^OK then, just anecdotal bullshit about "the blacks" on a thread about violence affecting youth of all racial backgrounds to one degree or another.

 

[oggbashan]

^^^OK then, just anecdotal bullshit about "the blacks" on a thread about violence affecting youth of all racial backgrounds to one degree or another.

No. I have added links to stats that prove my contention.

 

[oggbashan]

Another Anecdote - believe it if you want to, or not.

At one time my teacher daughter's boyfriend was a black, very black Caribbean.

They met at some evening classes they were both attended and for some years lived together.

His family had an absent father and he had three older brothers who were local gang leaders and drug dealers. He didn't want to become like them. He wanted to be a cricketer and was good at it, but unfortunately, his talents weren't spotted until it was too late for him to join a youth academy. But he played for a local London club.

He was big - six feet inches and weighed about 300 lbs. He was never in trouble because others were frightened of his size, or if not, were scared stiff of his elder brothers and their gangs.

My daughter was offered a post in rural Suffolk that was an outpost of the stockbroking firm she worked for (before becoming a teacher). Her employer offered cheap mortgages so she and her boyfriend were able to start to buy a modern house in the town. At first people in the town were very wary of him. He was the only resident black person that rural town had ever seen. He was happy to get far away from his older brothers and took a job as a doorman at the only nightclub in the nearby larger town. With his size, and the few blacks in that town, the local troublemakers took one look and calmed down. He was soon promoted until he was number two in the local security guard company.

But he still loved cricket. He asked the town cricket club if he could join them. They were reluctant. they had never had and had never even seen a black cricketer except on TV but they agreed he could come along when they were practising and they would see what he was like as a bowler, as that is what he claimed to be.

At first, they asked him to bowl at their lower-order batsmen. He clean-bowled all five in seven balls. They tried again with the opening batsmen. It took him two overs, 12 balls, to bowl the four. They wanted to see him in action even more but their batsmen wouldn't face any more balls from him. He had scared then stiff. Not only was he was accurate, but by the town's standards, he was an incredibly fast bowler. They didn't want 300lbs of a very large and very black bowler hurling hard balls at them at over 100mph.

He joined their cricket team. At the first match playing for the town, he took eight of the opposing team's wickets for 27 runs and seven wickets in their second innings. His team won by 75 runs and an innings. At the next match, his team were first to bat. He came on as the last batsman and scored sixty before the other cricketer was out. That sixty included four sixes.

He played for the town for ten years and became a local celebrity. When my daughter and he split up by mutual agreement, he stayed on in the town, still worked for the security company and played cricket so well that his town team moved up two leagues. He is still their youth coach. He had changed his life by moving away from his toxic family.

It is possible to break the pattern, but not easy.

 

[glamorilla]

if this was ever optioned for a movie they'd make the red headed guy black.

 

[coati]

No. I have added links to stats that prove my contention.

Glad you found those 2013 statistics in the Muslim magazine-- much better than espousing an opinion from anecdotes alone.

Now, what do you think about the premise of this thread? Should we assume that the lack of fatherhood and direction also was the cause of violent behavior in the video that Zumi presented?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Glad you found those 2013 statistics in the Muslim magazine-- much better than espousing an opinion from anecdotes alone.

Now, what do you think about the premise of this thread? Should we assume that the lack of fatherhood and direction also was the cause of violent behavior in the video that Zumi presented?

Was the ginger raised in a home sans father?

 

[oggbashan]

Glad you found those 2013 statistics in the Muslim magazine-- much better than espousing an opinion from anecdotes alone.

Now, what do you think about the premise of this thread? Should we assume that the lack of fatherhood and direction also was the cause of violent behavior in the video that Zumi presented?

The video is irrelevant to the title of the thread. But the difficulties some Caribbean youths have when no father is present can be real. It doesn't apply to all but it is a known problem.

As I said earlier, it is nothing like the frequency occurring in the US because it applies to a minority of a small minority in the UK.

Another anecdote. My eldest aunt, then 80 years old, started a youth club for Caribbean black teenagers who had problems with the law. She ran it for ten years, and none of the youths referred to her offended again during that time.

When she died, aged 90, four of her 'graduates' carried her coffin into the church and almost all of the members past and present were there. The club continues to run, led by former members. It is an example of what can be done if someone is prepared to gain their confidence, trust, and show them a better way.

 

[coati]

Ogg, I think you may be missing my point, and I'm not sure why you are telling me these anecdotes. All troubled kids might benefit from getting a break through an opportunity to play Cricket or from the acts of your kindly aunt, not just black kids. So I'm not sure where you are going with that.

I think Zumi's point was that some people immediately cite lack of fatherhood as the main reason why black youths turn violent, so he set up this thread make people question whether they would draw the same immediate conclusion about violent white kids. Black kids in ghetto-type situations are subject to a lot of factors that could cause them to go violent. Lack of a father figure is one of those factors, but not the only one.

 

[oggbashan]

Ogg, I think you may be missing my point, and I'm not sure why you are telling me these anecdotes. All troubled kids might benefit from getting a break through an opportunity to play Cricket or from the acts of your kindly aunt, not just black kids. So I'm not sure where you are going with that.

I think Zumi's point was that some people immediately cite lack of fatherhood as the main reason why black youths turn violent, so he set up this thread make people question whether they would draw the same immediate conclusion about violent white kids. Black kids in ghetto-type situations are subject to a lot of factors that could cause them to go violent. Lack of a father figure is one of those factors, but not the only one.

And you are right. It can be a factor with white kids in poorer neighbourhoods too.

But I think a larger cause, although not the only one, is the lack of job opportunities that pay more than a living wage. If your elder brothers are rich dealing drugs, and the only job you could possibly get, although you would have to compete against hundreds of other applicants, is burger-flipping, your choices are very limited. Why try to achieve at school if no matter how many exams you pass, you have no prospect of employment?

I can see the effect in regional disparities as I drive around the country stopping at motorway service stations. In areas of high skilled employment, the employees at the service areas are incompetent and barely able to perform their duties effectively. In more deprived areas, the service station employees are intelligent, helpful, and try hard to make the customer welcome. That is nice to experience except I feel sorry that those people can't get better jobs for which they would be qualified.

Edited for PS. In larger French towns, by local government mandate, certain areas become ghettos for immigrants, and if you live in one of those areas your chances of being considered for employment are low. In Paris, certain districts or postcodes on your address will mean your application is binned before even being read.

Edited for PPS: Back in the 1990s, I and others raised money for an intervention centre for our local NEETS - those Not in Education Employment of Training. In a town of 40,000 we had 18 NEETS. I got to know all of them and every one of them had multiple issues - illness, addiction and mental health are only some of the things against them. It was run in a room at our local jobcentre and we were pleased if any of them got even a basic part-time job. After three years we were down to 12, even though five more had been added. But the jobcentre closed and moved to the city. We now have 24 NEETS and some cannot afford to travel to the city to go to the NEETS facility there.

Yet another PS: We are very proud of one woman, who had been a NEET, and her eldest daughter. None of the extended family could read or write when that daughter started school at the same time as our eldest. The daughter was struggling at infants school and my daughter wanted to help her friend. They both came home to our large house while mother was still working as a cleaner. We had a massive children's library. The woman's daughter would spend an hour with us every evening Monday to Friday, and seeing our younger daughters, not yet of school age, reading, she tried hard. By the time she was 11 years old, she could read at the level of an eight-year-old.

But her mother was ashamed that she couldn't read and couldn't help her daughter. We found a class for adults who couldn't read and she started learning, also using our libraries. Sometimes up to a dozen of our books would be in their house - a tiny proportion of our 25,000 books but far more than had ever been in their house.

Fast forward twenty years. The daughter is employed as a cashier in our local ASDA (Walmart) and has been since leaving school. She is still slightly fragile and if she runs into difficulties she has to call a supervisor, but neighbouring colleagues will rush to assist. They know she is slow, but everyone, staff and customers like her. The mother can now read and write fluently and is a community activist, helping out with the reading class she used to attend and being an advocate for those who have difficulty, for whatever reason, in expressing themselves. Her husband, and her wider family, still cannot read, and rely on her. But her son? He went through school successfully, coached by his elder sister and is now a qualified electrican.