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and homes were selling like crazy. That was when the economic water line was rapidly receding.

Funny, how you can't find him now that he's had to eat all of his words with nothing to wash it down as the tidal crest hits.

LOL, no need to panic, nosireebobski. Now they're injecting billions into the banking system to avert a banking collapse (which would lead to a depression, folks).

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070816/world_markets.html?.v=26&printer=1

AP
Global Markets Keep Tumbling
Thursday August 16, 10:24 am ET
By Toby Anderson, AP Business Writer
Global Markets Tumble Again on Worries About Effects From Bad U.S. Loans

LONDON (AP) -- Global stock markets tumbled again Thursday on persistent worries about U.S. housing loan problems and potential damage to the global economy.

The slides came even as the U.S. Federal Reserve dumped more cash into the U.S. banking system on Wednesday and Thursday, joining other central banks that have tried again and again to shore up investor confidence over the past week.

In London the FTSE 100 Index dropped 2.7 percent to 5,945.50, trading below the 6,000 level for the first time since March. About 108.9 billion pounds ($216.9 billion) has been wiped from the value of Britain's leading stocks since trading closed last Wednesday.

France's CAC-40 declined 2.1 percent to 5,237.34 after earlier dropping to its lowest level this year, and Germany's DAX index fell 1.7 percent to 7,319.56.

"Investors continue to flee from anything that smells of risk, even the tiniest bit," said Jay Bryson, global economist with Wachovia in Charlotte, North Carolina.

"There could be further losses to come," said Scott Scrase, a trader at CMC Markets.

The benchmark Nikkei 225 index closed down nearly 2 percent on the Tokyo Stock Exchange after falling below the key 16,000-point mark the first time since November. South Korea's main benchmark fell 6.9 percent, the greatest point drop ever, to record its lowest close since May. Hong Kong's blue chip Hang Seng Index dropped 3.3 percent to its lowest close in two months.

Brazil's main stock index on Sao Paulo's Bovespa exchange plunged 4 percent after the opening bell to 47,313, adding to a 3.2 percent drop a day earlier.

Before the market opened in the U.S., troubled mortgage lender Countrywide Financial Corp. revealed it would have to draw on an $11.5 billion credit line to fund its operations, with money increasingly hard to come by in tightening credit markets.

Also Thursday, the New York Fed, which carries out the central bank's market operation, injected $17 billion into the banking system in two operations. That infusion comes on the heels of a Wednesday "repo" of $7 billion, in which it buys that amount in securities from dealers, who then deposit the money into commercial banks.

Central banks around the world have been supplying billions of funds to banks in the past week to make cash available for lending and keep interest rates from rising amid signs that credit was drying up.

Repercussions from the U.S. credit crisis rippled across Asia, where at least three markets lost more than 6 percent on the day.

That's because of uncertainty over the size of impact on corporate earnings and the regional economy, said Shinichi Ichikawa, chief strategist at Credit Suisse. He said the weakness of the dollar and the euro also fueled the concerns.

"The issue of the subprime loans is not just the problem of that sector but it also affects many related financial products, (and) the size of a possible damage or other details are not clear, and that's why investors are feeling uneasy," Ichikawa said.

Stocks fell sharply Thursday in the U.S., with the Dow Jones industrial average down 0.6 percent to 12,785.38. The index had fallen more than 100 points within the first few minutes of trading, after closing below 13,000 on Wednesday for the first time since April 24. Broader stock indicators were also lower.

"All of Asia and other European markets are watching the U.S. market," said James Soh, a strategist at Korea Investment & Securities Co. in Seoul. Global investors were focused in particular on the U.S. Federal Reserve, he said.

Some investors have been calling for the U.S. central bank to free up more cash by making an interest rate cut at its Sept. 18 meeting.

The Bank of Japan injected 400 billion yen ($3.4 billion) into money markets Thursday, the third time since last Friday it has acted in a bid to curb rises in a key overnight interest rate.

Despite the move, banking issues took a beating on global credit concerns.

HSBC Holdings PLC, Europe's largest bank by market value, fell 2.2 percent in London. Man Group PLC, the world's largest publicly traded fund manager, dropped 7.9 percent, and Standard Chartered bank, which does much of its business in Asia, declined 6 percent.

Deutsche Bank fell 2.7 percent in Frankfurt while BNP Paribas -- which last week froze three funds that had invested in the U.S. home loan market -- was off 3.8 percent.

Metals futures also traded lower, with Rio Tinto down 4.8 percent, Xstrata off 5 percent, Kazakhmys falling 6.3 percent and Vedanta Resources declining 8 percent.

In Germany's export-driven economy, some big decliners were automaker DaimlerChrysler, down 4.6 percent, gas producer Linde AG falling 4.5 percent and tour package operator TUI AG off 6.3 percent.

Associated Press Writers Mari Yamaguchi in Tokyo and Matt Moore in Frankfurt, Germany, contributed to this report.
 
Regardless of the trigger points, a correction to the bull was inevitable. Why is anybody surprised?
 
flirty_but_nice said:
Regardless of the trigger points, a correction to the bull was inevitable. Why is anybody surprised?
It's surprising because I predicted this particular trigger point a long time ago on Lit, and everyone disagreed with me. Now that it's actually happening, well, you know how it goes.

I said housing was not affordable and houses were far too high priced because of speculators. This whole mess is because of speculators and the mortgage fraud industry that rose up alongside them. I said these run-ups couldn't last. I said there was cause for panic. Now, panic is what investors and banks eat and breathe.

Yeah, there's a correction going on - but what's happening now is they're trying to forestall economic collapse. Best of luck; with the credit market tightening, consumer spending absolutely will be reduced. The fallout from this is like herpes - the gift that just keeps on giving.
 
LovingTongue said:
It's surprising because I predicted this particular trigger point a long time ago on Lit, and everyone disagreed with me. Now that it's actually happening, well, you know how it goes.
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Hmmm, I don't recall posting yay or nay on that one.

I'm not concerned really, though, most of my wealth is not tied up in instruments affected by all of this <yawn> and that that is, well, no biggy. Long term growth won't be affected by short term losses.

This all strikes me as a soon to be good time to buy back into the marke, though. I am sure the panic will subside soon enough.
 
Everyone? Every statement you make is racial? Same sorry song.



I do not see the speculators part of this except in the huge amount of expensive houses being built. That is from my local viewpoint and may not be a national trend. Supply and demand. People wanted a house and were willing to pay the price for it. The ballooning payments are part of the problem here, which should never have been possible in the first place. If you cannot afford it, don't buy it.

I am glad I live in a house located in a working class neighborhood that is paid down. I am glad I did not refinance it for 125% of what 'they said' it was worth. I am glad I do not have over valued cars loans and credit cards added into that mix.

It is some tough medicine, but many of those that are buried can only blame themselves. What happens next to the economy will be shared by many, if not all.
 
The stock market goes up, the stock market goes down.
The housing market goes up, the housing market goes down.
Big deal.
My house is worth $130,000 more than I owe on it, based on an offer from my mortgage company to refinance. Last year the figure was closer to $150,000.
No matter, I'm not moving any time soon.
On the flip side, more people can afford homes here because prices have dropped somewhat. I see that as a good thing.
And too bad for the speculators who were snapping up homes to flip.
 
SaintPeter said:
Everyone? Every statement you make is racial? Same sorry song.
Let's just say when I made that comment about housing being too expensive, there wasn't one person who agreed with me at the time. You know how it goes - LT on one side, all alone and all that.

The truth was, lenders were pretending that housing wasn't as far out of reach as it really was. Now they're paying the price for that lie.

I do not see the speculators part of this except in the huge amount of expensive houses being built. That is from my local viewpoint and may not be a national trend. Supply and demand. People wanted a house and were willing to pay the price for it.
But they really didn't have the money for it. All that creative financing to make it happen, is biting us on the ass now. All of us.

The ballooning payments are part of the problem here, which should never have been possible in the first place. If you cannot afford it, don't buy it.

I am glad I live in a house located in a working class neighborhood that is paid down. I am glad I did not refinance it for 125% of what 'they said' it was worth. I am glad I do not have over valued cars loans and credit cards added into that mix.

It is some tough medicine, but many of those that are buried can only blame themselves. What happens next to the economy will be shared by many, if not all.
All, for sure. At least you get it better than Ham Murabi does.
 
Ham Murabi said:
The stock market goes up, the stock market goes down.
The housing market goes up, the housing market goes down.
Big deal.
My house is worth $130,000 more than I owe on it, based on an offer from my mortgage company to refinance. Last year the figure was closer to $150,000.
No matter, I'm not moving any time soon.
On the flip side, more people can afford homes here because prices have dropped somewhat. I see that as a good thing.
And too bad for the speculators who were snapping up homes to flip.
Too bad for a lot more people than the speculators. Lots of jobs are going poof, and the whole world's markets are in turmoil.
 
LovingTongue said:
Too bad for a lot more people than the speculators. Lots of jobs are going poof, and the whole world's markets are in turmoil.

For a second there I thought maybe this wasn't another "the sky is falling" thread.
Yeah, too bad for people who bought houses they couldn't afford and the lenders who should have known better. But I've got some money in a REIT, and I'm keeping it there.
 
LovingTongue said:
Let's just say when I made that comment about housing being too expensive, there wasn't one person who agreed with me at the time. You know how it goes - LT on one side, all alone and all that.

The truth was, lenders were pretending that housing wasn't as far out of reach as it really was. Now they're paying the price for that lie.


But they really didn't have the money for it. All that creative financing to make it happen, is biting us on the ass now. All of us.


All, for sure. At least you get it better than Ham Murabi does.

You're not alone, brother. Its only that we don't like to mess ourself up in the quagmire. And we don't like to feed the alts and trolls who are always against you. :D


Peace. :rose:
 
vetteman said:
Bullshit, some financials who made bad loans are in trouble, people who can't pay their bills are in trouble, this isn't going to crash the economy, or bring panic as you indicated so many weeks ago.
The panic is happening right now you absolutely flaming retard.

You're so stupid. You totally missed that Mad Money meltdown with Cramer. Guess what? He knows more than you do, and he's throwing a shit fit!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rOVXh4xM-Ww

There is a market correction under way, you can mark my words, the bottom is near.
Not for the housing industry. The stricter lending rules are here to stay, and thus the number of home buyers will shrink. There's a credit crisis building, too. Look out for new fallout from that.

I'll tell you, I got out of my financials some time ago but I'm thinking about buying into them in the next few weeks. There is money to be mad here, and some very good bargains on the horizon. America is not going down the tubes yet. Try waking up in the morning with a positive attitude and some faith in your fellow American, people who make money in the market do this every day.
They made money on the Depression, too. You keep saying I said there'd be a depression; I said there was cause for panic in several industries.

The injection of billions of dollars into the banks counts as a panic on at least one major front.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rOVXh4xM-Ww
 
Cramer: "In the fixed markets, we have armageddon."

Vetteman, do you have your own investment show?
 
vetteman said:
You know LT this is why people don't like you. All you want to do attack and insult anyone who doesn't agree with you.
You're the moron who kept trash talking and saying how strong the stock market was.

You make it difficult for people to carry on an intelligent conversation. You want to call me a retard, go right ahead but I subscribe to Cramers daily newsletter along with many others, do you?
What a crybaby you are. You can dish it out but you can't take it.

I am going to give you a link to Ken Fishers analysis, I hope you read it and then come back and tell me if you see any panic in there:

http://www.fi.com/weballey/thankyou...k Market Outlook&siteid=1450&Sequence=1253020

If you don't have Acrobat Reader you can click for a non PDF format.


BTW, here is Cramers report as of 10:33AM EST, sounds like total panic right? I will receive two more of these today, I'm sure you will too right?

Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:33 a.m. EDT

Dear Action Alerts PLUS Subscriber,

I want to continue putting money to work into this market decline, so I plan on picking away at one of my favorite names in the portfolio, NYSE Euronext (NYX:NYSE).

This stock has taken an absolute beating, despite the fact that the business is doing fantastically. Volumes were way up in July and are even better in August. The company continues to make progress on cutting costs from its Euronext acquisition. In fact, I believe it's possible the company could preannounce earnings to the upside. I expect, at the least, analysts will have to raise their numbers.

After you receive this Alert, I am going to buy 300 shares of NYX, trading $5.11 lower at $65.24 as I write this. This purchase will increase my stake to 3,100 shares, a little more than 5% of the portfolio. Given how cheap this stock is I would consider buying more on a further dip.

Regards,

Jim Cramer
Nope, no panic in there.

The panic is all in the stock market and the Fed injecting billions of dollars into panicked banks. The panic is in the Asian markets and the credit industry.

The panic is not in someone's newsletter; it's happening where it counts.
 
vetteman said:
I can take it just fine, no crying here, just tired of trying to broaden your view of the stock market and markets in general.
You're a crybaby. You started the name calling and trash talking and got it thrown back in your face.

That's why I don't need you, or any other Litster, to like me - you do this shit all the time. You're not a man. You're just a shit starting kid.

The panic is in the media, and among the neophytes worrying about the subprime fiasco. This isn't the first time the Fed has propped up the market, it's their job, it's what they do, and it won't be the last. Did you read Fisher's analysis, the last few pages? So now Cramer's newsletter and opinions don't matter eh? You need to think before you dismiss people so lightly.
Of course they matter. But the stock market ain't soarin' anymore. The panic isn't just in the media. Ask Countrywide if you don't believe me. Cramer and Fisher aren't to be dismissed. You are.

These guys are trying to get people to invest in the market, effectively like the way Lay & Skilling told people to invest in Enron as it's going down, except Enron was utterly doomed. If people keep selling out, then THEIR holdings will lose value.

The market isn't going to collapse but there is a panic going on in the entire lending industry, the stock market is no longer soaring, and the shock waves are spreading across other industries: real estate is going to be a tough sell now that the subprime market is shrinking and home ownership is going to be tougher.

This is a structural contraction. Natural selection. The ones facing elimination are panicking. Countrywide is panicking. Lots of companies have gone under: they're beyond panic. You keep denying this is happening because you can't stop denying this and then still say there's no cause for panic.
 
Aegis filed bankruptcy this week. Linky 1

First Magnus stopped all loans even in the pipeline. Linky 2

American Home Mortgage out as well, and they are not subprime. Linky 3

We were expecting a big fallout, but not this big. My palms get sweaty thinking about it.
 
vetteman said:
There will be some fallout but it isn't the end of the world.
No one said it would be. Good left hook at that straw man, dude.

This is bigger than a fucking wolf ticket. The wolves are having a banquet at the expense of multiple companies across several sectors of the loan industry. You're fucking out of what little mind you had.

I've been right so far. Error free. I told you this day was coming and it has. Now all you've got left is straw man arguments and an "I'm running awayyy" now that others are telling you how wrong you are.
 
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