very sad day in UK

[Gord]

dont know any of you over there have been following the news but it is just depressing that we live in a world where bastards prey on our young

two little 10 year old girls were abducted and killed

they have arrested the local caretaker and assistant teacher of their school - which makes me absolutely sick - THEIR SCHOOL!!

anyway the girls bodies have been found and the forensic evidence is now being gathered

RIP Holly and Jessica

 

[SINthysist]

It's weekly here...

 

[SINthysist]

...but preying on school girls is one of the popular fantasy scenarios for many porn pieces...

Like DCL's work.

Thoughts like that are protected by our first amendment!

 

[wizbit9]

its appauling what has unfolded in soham

what i am dreading the results of the investigation. because it is taking so long and the police having to resort to DNA tests. it implies that the childrens bodys have been tampered with.

SICK!!!!

thoughts to all concerned on this day

 

[Gord]

...but preying on school girls is one of the popular fantasy scenarios for many porn pieces...

Like DCL's work.

Thoughts like that are protected by our first amendment!

well when things like this happen you tend to say screw rights - but the people who comitted this crime are evil and I hope they get their moment in jail - I give them 6 months inside before they are got - hope so

it is a huge issue I suppose - the rights of indiviuals to think and commit to paper - but the rights of these girls were taken away in a cruel fashion

It is becomming a regular occurrence though what is happening to us as a society - was it always thus or is it just becomng more reported

 

[SINthysist]

I caught something on television, in passing, where someone was pointing out that the rate was indeed the same, pretty much, but the reporting has become a priority.

I keep telling people that the censors are coming...

 

[Lovepotion69]

It is a terrible thing what has happened. I can't believe it myself, and it makes me wonder at times if people who don't want to put children to this world are right. The agonies one has to go through as a parent,the constant fears.

I do not believe the number of abductions or missing people have changed THAT much. It is the reporting that during various periods increases. It all goes in waves.

I know we all feel as if the police and forensics are taking ages to come up with the final results, but truth is, the family couldn't have made a better move than going to the press. The pressure on them has been terrible, but that was their best move. Go to the press, it may be a slow news day, let them write about it, then the other papers will follow. It's a human interest story. Readers will feel compassion, the police will work harder.

Fact is, if they hadn't gone to the press, the police's work would have gone a lot slower. Their case has had priority before many other cases, all equally tragic. They knew how to get the attention, they will receive the final answer faster than other parents. It's the not knowing part that's the hardest to take.

What I feel is that I'm more sorry for all the parents who do NOT go to the press and manage to get the public's compassion, and that way speed up the investigation.

 

[weed]

It is very sad. I saw their pictures...pretty li'l girls.

I think this kind of thing has always happened. It does make you wonder if the extreme kind of content now available so easily through the net doesn't incite people to commit more of these heinous acts than they would otherwise.

While I believe in our freedom of speech as a good thing I also think people should be more responsible. Indulging in fantasy is one thing but a responsible person would make it very plain it is only fantasy or keep it to his or herself.

 

[bluespoke]

It is becomming a regular occurrence though what is happening to us as a society - was it always thus or is it just becomng more reported

Despicable though the act is, it is a less common crime than thirty years ago.

Figures on child murders and attacks by paedophiles are actually decreasing slightly.

But,


One is too many.

 

[Gord]

Despicable though the act is, it is a less common crime than thirty years ago.

Figures on child murders and attacks by paedophiles are actually decreasing slightly.

But,


One is too many.

well if that is the case then hopefully the coverage and the way the country as a whole has reacted might act in a strange sort of way as a deterrent to any other sick minds who are thinking about it.

ie you will not get away with it and you will get caught

I actually feel very medieval about the whole thing - shit I would bring back stoning, the rack , and any other device for these two

 

[crysede]

...but preying on school girls is one of the popular fantasy scenarios for many porn pieces...

Like DCL's work.

Thoughts like that are protected by our first amendment!

Ya know, I found out from a friend of mine, whose studying forensic psychology, that sexual predators rarely indulge in looking at pornography - so the whole 'porn inciting crime' argument is quite baseless.

Also, the sick bastards that attack children, on the rare occasions when they do get off on porn, rarely show any interest in kiddie porn - they like stuff featuring adult women. Penile response tests have demonstrated the same thing: people who commit sex crimes against kids generally show no sexual response to kiddie porn in any form, they like adult heterosexual porn.


I think the extremely high rate of recidivism suggests that the only effective way to deal with sexual predators is to either keep them locked up permanently, or castrate them (and I don't mean that chemical castration that depends on them voluntarily taking meds).

 

[bored1]

Molesters of children forfeit their right to exist in the outside world..........Molesters and murderers of children forfeit their "right to life"

 

[hornylady]

It is a terrible thing what has happened. I can't believe it myself, and it makes me wonder at times if people who don't want to put children to this world are right. The agonies one has to go through as a parent,the constant fears.

I do not believe the number of abductions or missing people have changed THAT much. It is the reporting that during various periods increases. It all goes in waves.

I know we all feel as if the police and forensics are taking ages to come up with the final results, but truth is, the family couldn't have made a better move than going to the press. The pressure on them has been terrible, but that was their best move. Go to the press, it may be a slow news day, let them write about it, then the other papers will follow. It's a human interest story. Readers will feel compassion, the police will work harder.

Fact is, if they hadn't gone to the press, the police's work would have gone a lot slower. Their case has had priority before many other cases, all equally tragic. They knew how to get the attention, they will receive the final answer faster than other parents. It's the not knowing part that's the hardest to take.

What I feel is that I'm more sorry for all the parents who do NOT go to the press and manage to get the public's compassion, and that way speed up the investigation.

From what I read, and having 3 young children I've followed it fairly closely, it was the police that got the media so heavily involved, not the police? I have 2 uncles who are CID detectives, and where children are involved, they wouldn't need any outside pressure to make them do everything in their power to resolve matters.

 

[hornylady]

Molesters of children forfeit their right to exist in the outside world..........Molesters and murderers of children forfeit their "right to life"

That's quite a sweeping pronouncement!

 

[Gord]

Molesters of children forfeit their right to exist in the outside world..........Molesters and murderers of children forfeit their "right to life"

Cant see much wrong with that - except the death penalty is to quick and easy for them - A life of hard labour is about right - never to be allowed back into society - dont give a flying how much education and how much they have " changed "

Myra Hynley is still bleating on about her rights and how she should be let out - no way - as bored said you harm/molest/kill children then you forfeit your rights to live in society for ever

 

[hornylady]

Cant see much wrong with that - except the death penalty is to quick and easy for them - A life of hard labour is about right - never to be allowed back into society - dont give a flying how much education and how much they have " changed "

Myra Hynley is still bleating on about her rights and how she should be let out - no way - as bored said you harm/molest/kill children then you forfeit your rights to live in society for ever

I actually agree with the first part, it was the second part I was really commenting on. I think it is a much greater punishment for a true life sentence to be imposed, where the person spends the rest of their life behind bars, not being let out in 10 or so years. I don't think Myra Hindley should ever be allowed out, and I cheered when Ian Brady was denied permission to starve himself to death - like you said, Gord, it's a quick and easy way out.

 

[lobito]

people who commit such crimes, deserve only one thing, and that is to die or whatever the way that they did to the victims. Nothing else is good enough.

Oh, and waiting YEARS in prison is bullshit, especially for those who confess to killing. They should be put to death the moment they are sentenced.

 

[bluespoke]

That someone else kills does not give us the right to take life.

Exclude them from society permanently.

We are supposedly civilised. There is no need for us to descend to the level of the barbarian.

 

[hornylady]

people who commit such crimes, deserve only one thing, and that is to die or whatever the way that they did to the victims. Nothing else is good enough.

Oh, and waiting YEARS in prison is bullshit, especially for those who confess to killing. They should be put to death the moment they are sentenced.

About 30 years ago, a little girl called Lesley Molseed was raped and murdered and her body dumped. A man called Stefan Kiszko was tried and convicted of her rape and murder, although he always protested his innocence. He was released from prison a couple of years ago when DNA proved he couldn't have committed the crime. You still think he should have been put to death as soon as he was sentenced?

 

[crysede]

Cant see much wrong with that - except the death penalty is to quick and easy for them - A life of hard labour is about right - never to be allowed back into society - dont give a flying how much education and how much they have " changed "

Myra Hynley is still bleating on about her rights and how she should be let out - no way - as bored said you harm/molest/kill children then you forfeit your rights to live in society for ever

But abuse begets abuse: most child abusers were abused as children, often horrifically - it seems unfair, to me, to punish them vindictively, when most of them would not have become abusers if society had not failed to protect them when they were children.

The fact is that the majority of abusers have already received the sort of just-deserts punishment, you want to see inflicted on them, when they were kids - you can think of it as self-fulfilling eye-for-an-eye punishment.

I agree that we need to protect children - but we can achieve that by taking away the freedom of abusers, we don't need to add hard labour or death to mix.

 

[lobito]

if a person confesses to a crime, that they knowingly didn't commit, then they are stupid for confessing, and YES, I think they should die still.

DNA testing is "the norm" now, or should be anyway, so the wrong people aren't sent to prison in the first place.

As for people who were abused as children ending up as abusers, that proves those people to be VERY VERY weak if they carry that out with someone else many years down the road.

Someone can be abused and not even think of EVER harming another person in the same ways that he or she were harmed when they were a child. They were hurt so much that they'd never dream of doing those things to a child as it was done to them.

It seems the U.S. does NOT protect the "victim" as they should, but rather you are guilty until proven innocent anymore.

 

[Gord]

It is a very emotive subject - especialy when dealing with kids - if it was my daughter then shit - you want blood and will kill -

I dont agree with death penalty - I agree with bluespoke that we are not all barbaric and permanent exclusion from society and a tough sentence - no TV no day trips no cushy life watching videos and doing a degree with Open Uni.

The justice systems is fucked up though - single mums are going to the same jail as rapists and murderers just for non payement of fines / or other mundane reasons.

We should send less people to prison - but you kill/molest kids then it should be a living hell - make a real deterent - maybe the sick bastards who commit these crimes will think twice if they know what awaits them

 

[hornylady]

if a person confesses to a crime, that they knowingly didn't commit, then they are stupid for confessing, and YES, I think they should die still.

DNA testing is "the norm" now, or should be anyway, so the wrong people aren't sent to prison in the first place.

As for people who were abused as children ending up as abusers, that proves those people to be VERY VERY weak if they carry that out with someone else many years down the road.

Someone can be abused and not even think of EVER harming another person in the same ways that he or she were harmed when they were a child. They were hurt so much that they'd never dream of doing those things to a child as it was done to them.

It seems the U.S. does NOT protect the "victim" as they should, but rather you are guilty until proven innocent anymore.

We're not talking just about the US attitude, and my question wasn't about people confessing to crimes they didn't commit, but people who were wrongly convicted of a crime.

 

[crysede]

if a person confesses to a crime, that they knowingly didn't commit, then they are stupid for confessing, and YES, I think they should die still.

Stupid people should die? Anyway, I think stupidity plays little role in cases when innocent people plead guilty. A man who was convicted of the brutal sexual assault of a 12 year-old her in Canada, and was proven innocent 20 years later, did confess. He did it because that was the only way he could get parole - after 10 years of professing his innocence - 10 years of his protests of innocence being ignored - 10 years of not seeing his wife and children - he finally gave up and confessed so that he could be 'rehabilitated' and become eligible for parole.

DNA testing is "the norm" now, or should be anyway, so the wrong people aren't sent to prison in the first place.

Sadly, most crime scenes do not allow for DNA testing - there simply is not DNA found. In the absence of such evidence, history shows that innocent people can be falsely convicted. Since most convictions occur in the absence of such evidence, it stands to reason that innocent people can be convicted.

As for people who were abused as children ending up as abusers, that proves those people to be VERY VERY weak if they carry that out with someone else many years down the road.

So now weak people should be killed? And I'd argue that the evidence shows that humans are VERY, VERY weak: sever abuse generally results in sever mental dysfunctions, particularly in young children, where exposure to sever physical, sexual, and/or emotional abuse will prevent normal development of empathy - leading to an adult that has little or no ability to empathize with others, and is accustomed to abuse being used a means of expression.

Someone can be abused and not even think of EVER harming another person in the same ways that he or she were harmed when they were a child. They were hurt so much that they'd never dream of doing those things to a child as it was done to them.

Yes there are moral hero's - people with the incredible strength of self to endure such suffering without letting it warp their minds, people who have survived something that many, many others do not.

Does this mean we should punish those who were not strong enough to endure? It is true that not everyone is strong, but I doubt anyone actually chooses to be weak.

 

[tigerjen]

Real sick world we live in!

Not only it happened more recently in the US, but
now also across the "big pond" in the UK! Really sad!


Is there a pattern, folks, of what's been happening
lately? Kidnapping/abductions.......that whole thing?
Think about it......