VA and the limits of liberalism

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Many have noted, including our own John Fund, that the VA scandal poses an acute threat to the Obama administration because of how much its problems resemble the criticisms of Obamacare itself. But let’s imagine there was no Obamacare. Let’s imagine that Obama had actually followed through on his occasional promises to focus on the economy and jobs first and foremost and didn’t blunder into the huge wasteful distraction that is the Affordable Care Act.

The lessons of the VA would still be a problem for Obama and for liberals generally.

Why? Because the Democratic party simply is the party of government. It is the party that insists on the nobility, efficacy and intellectual superiority of government. The VA is at the intersection of all the things liberals insist are wise and good and just about government. It is government-run healthcare. It is the tangible fulfillment of a sacred obligation the government has with those who’ve sacrificed most for our nation. It is also the one institution and/or constituency that enjoys huge bipartisan support. The VA, rhetorically and politically, is more sacrosanct and less controversial than Medicare, Social Security, road building, the NIH, or public schools. We are constantly told that we could get so many wonderful, super-fantastic things done if only both sides would lay down their ideological blah blah blah blah and work together for yada yada yada. Well, welcome to the VA. How’s that working out for you?

The White House keeps saying these horrible cases of deception and wrongdoing are “isolated incidents” and not “systemic.” As I asked last night on Special Report, how many isolated incidents do you need before they become systemic? Right now, allegations have surfaced in 19 states. That feels systemic to me. But what do I know?

I do know that the VA has had problems of one sort or another for decades. The current allegations are particularly egregious, but the fact that the VA is plagued by bureaucracy and inefficiency is hardly a revelation. It’s certainly not news to Obama, who acknowledged many of the problems as a candidate and was briefed on them after he was elected. Then senator Obama told the VFW in 2007, ”No veteran should have to fill out a 23-page claim to get care, or wait months — even years — to get an appointment at the VA.” He continued, ”When we fail to keep faith with our veterans, the bond between our nation and our nation’s heroes becomes frayed. When a veteran is denied care, we are all dishonored.” And given that in most of his State of the Union addresses Obama has gone on and on about improving government efficiency and cutting red tape generally, you’d think the VA would be near the forefront of that effort.

It is absolutely true that the VA was plagued with problems before Obama came into office and Republicans who talk a lot about how much they love the military are open to criticism as a result. But Democrats talk about how much they love the government. And everything they need to make the VA work is available to them. And yet, it’s a mess and has been a mess for decades. Why? Maybe it’s a mess because such messes come with the territory when you put bureaucrats in charge. Criminality, as alleged, may not be inevitable (though I’m not so sure). But rationing, incompetence, bloat, waste, rent-seeking, and a sort of legal corruption certainly are.

You would think that liberals, out of a desire to protect their brand, would worry more about making sure government handled what is already on its plate better before worrying about adding new responsibilities. This administration, and this president in particular, has insisted that they should be judged by their competence and intelligence. They’ve laid down markers that they will prove that liberalism can go big because they’re just so darn smart and good.

That creates a bind for this president. Was fixing the VA a priority or not? If it was a priority, how come after almost six years, it’s such a godawful mess? Are you just not up to the job of managing it? And, if it wasn’t a priority, why not? Were you just pandering to veterans? Neither answer is good for this president — or for liberalism.


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/378357/va-and-limits-liberalism-jonah-goldberg



Yea. Let's move to single pay HC so the Govt can be in charge of more stuff they can't handle.
 
VA, is just government asshats gone wild. by definition a clusterfuck.

its like little government people, having incest and breeding ... then having sex with those and breeding ... makes you ask if UD & Rob if they get a divorce is their new x-wives still be their sister.

government is wasteful, period.
 
James Q.Wilson wrote, in BUREAUCRACY, that government agencies institutionalize their corruption and cant be reformed, they must be destroyed.
 
Many have noted, including our own John Fund, that the VA scandal poses an acute threat to the Obama administration because of how much its problems resemble the criticisms of Obamacare itself. But let’s imagine there was no Obamacare. Let’s imagine that Obama had actually followed through on his occasional promises to focus on the economy and jobs first and foremost and didn’t blunder into the huge wasteful distraction that is the Affordable Care Act.

The lessons of the VA would still be a problem for Obama and for liberals generally.

Why? Because the Democratic party simply is the party of government. It is the party that insists on the nobility, efficacy and intellectual superiority of government. The VA is at the intersection of all the things liberals insist are wise and good and just about government. It is government-run healthcare. It is the tangible fulfillment of a sacred obligation the government has with those who’ve sacrificed most for our nation. It is also the one institution and/or constituency that enjoys huge bipartisan support. The VA, rhetorically and politically, is more sacrosanct and less controversial than Medicare, Social Security, road building, the NIH, or public schools. We are constantly told that we could get so many wonderful, super-fantastic things done if only both sides would lay down their ideological blah blah blah blah and work together for yada yada yada. Well, welcome to the VA. How’s that working out for you?

The White House keeps saying these horrible cases of deception and wrongdoing are “isolated incidents” and not “systemic.” As I asked last night on Special Report, how many isolated incidents do you need before they become systemic? Right now, allegations have surfaced in 19 states. That feels systemic to me. But what do I know?

I do know that the VA has had problems of one sort or another for decades. The current allegations are particularly egregious, but the fact that the VA is plagued by bureaucracy and inefficiency is hardly a revelation. It’s certainly not news to Obama, who acknowledged many of the problems as a candidate and was briefed on them after he was elected. Then senator Obama told the VFW in 2007, ”No veteran should have to fill out a 23-page claim to get care, or wait months — even years — to get an appointment at the VA.” He continued, ”When we fail to keep faith with our veterans, the bond between our nation and our nation’s heroes becomes frayed. When a veteran is denied care, we are all dishonored.” And given that in most of his State of the Union addresses Obama has gone on and on about improving government efficiency and cutting red tape generally, you’d think the VA would be near the forefront of that effort.

It is absolutely true that the VA was plagued with problems before Obama came into office and Republicans who talk a lot about how much they love the military are open to criticism as a result. But Democrats talk about how much they love the government. And everything they need to make the VA work is available to them. And yet, it’s a mess and has been a mess for decades. Why? Maybe it’s a mess because such messes come with the territory when you put bureaucrats in charge. Criminality, as alleged, may not be inevitable (though I’m not so sure). But rationing, incompetence, bloat, waste, rent-seeking, and a sort of legal corruption certainly are.

You would think that liberals, out of a desire to protect their brand, would worry more about making sure government handled what is already on its plate better before worrying about adding new responsibilities. This administration, and this president in particular, has insisted that they should be judged by their competence and intelligence. They’ve laid down markers that they will prove that liberalism can go big because they’re just so darn smart and good.

That creates a bind for this president. Was fixing the VA a priority or not? If it was a priority, how come after almost six years, it’s such a godawful mess? Are you just not up to the job of managing it? And, if it wasn’t a priority, why not? Were you just pandering to veterans? Neither answer is good for this president — or for liberalism.


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/378357/va-and-limits-liberalism-jonah-goldberg



Yea. Let's move to single pay HC so the Govt can be in charge of more stuff they can't handle.

It is a mess and no it hasn't been taken care of in the last 6 years as it should have been. But they are working on it now, albeit a bit late. That being said, you would like to see the Republicans back in power to handle this? If that's true then explain to me why every single Nay vote on the bill in the link below was from a Republican Senator?

Will they really do any better then the Democrats have, or will they give it a lot of chin music then ignore the problem, as it has been for years by both sides? If you can come up with a rational explanation for this vote, one I can logically accept, I promise to vote a straight Republican ticket come election time.




http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00046
 
Broken link. Probably because it had requirements to increase veteran coverage to non service incurred illnesses or disabilities, which would break the system. Don't forget to vote Republican.

I ask for a real reason, backed up by facts not an opinion of "probably" this or that. Can you or can't you defend this vote? If not say so, if so please do.

I'll post the link again (it works this time) for your edification.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=2&vote=00046


Comshaw
 
Your link was no good so it was a bit hard trying to analyze what wasn't there. I know Pubs voted against it and others with outlandish additions like non service incurred disabilities. This one does the same thing, and it opens up care for veterans that injure themselves in the private sector. The cost of the bill exceeded the agreed upon budget. In addition there was a competing Republican bill that addressed some of these issues, but Harry "Mr. Gridlock" Reid blocked it. Own it.

When I used the link it works. I'm sorry if your machine or technical ability do not allow you to do so. That aside, since you "know" the things you posted above care to supply some backup references or other substantiating documents or links? If not then I will take that as an inability to do so and therefore an admission that you don't have anything other than opinion to base your claims on. I also notice you're getting rather testy. Own it? Own what? The fact that I'm trying to have a civilized conversation on politics? The fact that I'm trying to ascertain why all those senators voted against the bill?That I will own. Anything other that you wish to attribute to me is fantasy and imagination. So I still haven't heard a single bit of fact or seen any backing evidence of your claims. I would love to by the way. And again, I do not accept opinion as fact, so a link to some blogger or news person expounding on their opinion isn't going to sway me. Come on you have a chance to show those here the facts of the matter. And all you've done so far is throw fluff at me. Step up your game.


Comshaw
 
It is a mess and no it hasn't been taken care of in the last 6 years as it should have been. But they are working on it now, albeit a bit late. That being said, you would like to see the Republicans back in power to handle this? If that's true then explain to me why every single Nay vote on the bill in the link below was from a Republican Senator?

Will they really do any better then the Democrats have, or will they give it a lot of chin music then ignore the problem, as it has been for years by both sides? If you can come up with a rational explanation for this vote, one I can logically accept, I promise to vote a straight Republican ticket come election time.




http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00046


I don't want any level of single payer HC.

You want something screwed up? Give it to the Govt.
 
Your link was no good so it was a bit hard trying to analyze what wasn't there. I know Pubs voted against it and others with outlandish additions like non service incurred disabilities. This one does the same thing, and it opens up care for veterans that injure themselves in the private sector. The cost of the bill exceeded the agreed upon budget. In addition there was a competing Republican bill that addressed some of these issues, but Harry "Mr. Gridlock" Reid blocked it. Own it.



When I hit the link it says "page not found "
 
I don't want any level of single payer HC.

You want something screwed up? Give it to the Govt.

That's the problem...YOU don't want it so you don't want ANYONE to have it.

America is moving towards a three-tier system, not unlike our education system:

  • A basic public medical system, open to all
  • For those that can afford it, private care
  • For those religious nuts, access to faith healers/witch doctors/prayer circles.
 
The VA always sucked, just ask a Vet, if they're still alive.
 
Use to visit Lyons, hopefully they've improved.

From what I have come to understand it's a crap shoot....either it's a suck fest or it's about as nice as going to the doc gets. I wonder how much the state they are in effects funding/facilities etc.....or are they totally on a federal level?
 
From what I have come to understand it's a crap shoot....either it's a suck fest or it's about as nice as going to the doc gets. I wonder how much the state they are in effects funding/facilities etc.....or are they totally on a federal level?

I would assume total Federal, but, you know what assume leads to.
 
The VA always sucked, just ask a Vet, if they're still alive.

Are you talking about the VA in general or the VA healthcare system?

If the latter, like someone else said I think it's hit or miss. Anecdotal: I've got two older friends who routinely use the VA medical facilities in Georgia, they swear by it (and get very cheap meds there too). YMMV
 
Are you talking about the VA in general or the VA healthcare system?

If the latter, like someone else said I think it's hit or miss. Anecdotal: I've got two older friends who routinely use the VA medical facilities in Georgia, they swear by it (and get very cheap meds there too). YMMV

It's been a while, as there is no reason to go now, so, hopefully the system has improved for the better.
 
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