US to blame for worlds poor

[Ishmael]

This is an article from the London Times regariding the summit that is taking place in Johannesburg, SA.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-394826,00.html

It seems that the US is not doing it's 'fair share' for the worlds poor. In spite of the billions of dollars sent abroad annually from both public and private sources, we just aren't carrying the load in some eyes it seems.

Regardless that the ruthless leaders of the poorer nations are more interested in padding their private Swiss accounts, we should send more money. After all, these leaders need a pension plan too I suppose.

Ishmael

 

[Guest]

Silly boy. The Times is just called The Times. It's not the London Times, because it doesn't just circulate in London; it's a national paper.

 

[Guest]

We saved your @$$es in Dubya Dubya 2

 

[Guest]

A rich man walked into the church and put 2 pennies into the collection plate. Then a very poor woman entered the church and also put two pennies into the plate. Who gave more?

Count your blessings. It's a lot less shallow than bitching about how little credit you get for your "generosity".

 

[Ishmael]

Silly boy. The Times is just called The Times. It's not the London Times, because it doesn't just circulate in London; it's a national paper.

Point taken. Kinda like USA Today.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

A rich man walked into the church and put 2 pennies into the collection plate. Then a very poor woman entered the church and also put two pennies into the plate. Who gave more?

Count your blessings. It's a lot less shallow than bitching about how little credit you get for your "generosity".

But not as shallow as bitching about what you do recieve out of the goodness of other peoples hearts.

Ishmael

 

[Guest]

We saved your @$$es in Dubya Dubya 2

Only after we were attacked ourselves. If that had not happened I am sure we would have been glad to let Hitler have Britain. We could have made a stand much sooner and maybe saved millions of lives. Only when it involved our own interests did we get concerned.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

The USA put several proposals on the table today at the summit..One dealing with the goal of increasing access to clean water, one for food relief and another for health and infectuous diseases.

http://www.state.gov/g/oes/sus/wssd/

 

[Guest]

But not as shallow as bitching about what you do recieve out of the goodness of other peoples hearts.

Ishmael

As I thought. You are too dense to grasp the true meaning. I don't here those receiving the aid bitching...only thise enlightened enough to see how good we have it and how we continuosly pat ourselves on the back. Very unseemly. Tacky.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

80% of the food relief in Africa RIGHT NOW is from the United States.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

I don't like when people try to make points without facts at hand.

 

[Guest]

Maybe in the next life you will actually get a soul.

 

[Guest]

thats right. and cos we bailed you europeons out fifty years ago (TWICE!), that means we can shit on everyone's head and defend ourselves with the very fact that if your German asses hadn't been saved all Germans would still be speaking German now.

(Kinda like how pro-Israelies cry "The Holocaust, the Holocaust" every two seconds in a debate about Israel/Palestine. As if their suffrage under nazi dictatorship is an excuse to bomb houses (and as if that was an excuse for Palestinians to suicide bomb buses (and if that was an excuse to retaliate with tanks killing stone-throwing children (and as if that was an excuse to sell Israel tons of military equipment.).).).)

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

We have the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, there's even the Centerville Times... it can cause confusion...even though the paper published in London is "The Times" it needs to be differentiated somehow....We can call it "The Times, the English one".

 

[Ishmael]

Only after we were attacked ourselves. If that had not happened I am sure we would have been glad to let Hitler have Britain. We could have made a stand much sooner and maybe saved millions of lives. Only when it involved our own interests did we get concerned.

Bullshit.

After the first World War the American people had no stomach to get involved with European affairs again. Roosevelt (and I have to give him credit for this) did recognize the need to stop the Nazi's. He didn't have the will of the people behind him to take that step. Pearl Harbor changed all of that.

Roosevelt spent considerable political capital prior to Pearl Harbor to prepare the American people for the inevitability of war. There really are times when the political leadership is able to see the consequences of doing nothing.

Ishmael

 

[Guest]

The American people aren't at fault here. It's big business multinational companies (the vast majority of whom are American-based) who care only for profits. Their line is they are providing a service people need and they're making a buck out of it; the reality is they care far more about their stock holders than the people they dig wells for in Outer fucking Mongilia.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

thats right. and cos we bailed you europeons out fifty years ago (TWICE!), that means we can shit on everyone's head and defend ourselves with the very fact that if your German asses hadn't been saved all Germans would still be speaking German now.

(Kinda like how pro-Israelies cry "The Holocaust, the Holocaust" every two seconds in a debate about Israel/Palestine. As if their suffrage under nazi dictatorship is an excuse to bomb houses (and as if that was an excuse for Palestinians to suicide bomb buses (and if that was an excuse to retaliate with tanks killing stone-throwing children (and as if that was an excuse to sell Israel tons of military equipment.).).).)

It's boorish to talk about it in this context. The Nazi's were a threat to all of us and we all acted appropriately.

 

[Guest]

80% of the food relief in Africa RIGHT NOW is from the United States.

Your point being?

Who gives more. More being a percentage of GDP.

80% may be a trivial amount considering what we squander. Lokk to the original post. Who gave more the poor old woman or the rich man. They each gave two pennies. I suppose that makes them equal in your eyes.

 

[Ishmael]

As I thought. You are too dense to grasp the true meaning. I don't here those receiving the aid bitching...only thise enlightened enough to see how good we have it and how we continuosly pat ourselves on the back. Very unseemly. Tacky.

The fact that you live in an insular world of your own making is not my problem. Or anyone else's for that matter.

Ishmael

 

[Guest]

It's boorish to talk about it in this context. The Nazi's were a threat to all of us and we all acted appropriately.

The Palestinians are hardly Nazis.

 

[Ishmael]

Maybe in the next life you will actually get a soul.

And maybe the "Great and All Powerfull Oz" will be as kind to you as he was the scarecrow.

Ishmael

 

[Guest]

Bullshit.

After the first World War the American people had no stomach to get involved with European affairs again. Roosevelt (and I have to give him credit for this) did recognize the need to stop the Nazi's. He didn't have the will of the people behind him to take that step. Pearl Harbor changed all of that.

Roosevelt spent considerable political capital prior to Pearl Harbor to prepare the American people for the inevitability of war. There really are times when the political leadership is able to see the consequences of doing nothing.

Ishmael

Are you saying we didn't have the guts? If it wasn't for Pearl Harbor we would have let Hitler have Europe. Roosevelt was right but without Pearl Harbor he could do nothing. Congress didn't care about Europe or the Jews. All it would have taken to stop Hitler would have been a preemptive strike by the French across the Maginot line. With British and American supoort.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Many of the proposals on the table to bring clean water to poor parts of Africa are as part of a "partnership" with business. There are several businesses that will run water systems for cities and or countries and try to do it efficiently and to make a buck at it. They do a superior job compared to most ill-equipted "national" or "government" managers outside of the western world. One of the primary water companies is based out of France, I forget where the other one is from.

Part of the problem though, is that if a company establishes a water system, it has to recoup it's investment and can't survive by adding to taxes or increasing the money supply (printing more money) to pay the bills. Therefore, the water systems tend to work a lot better, but the consumers have to pay the "true" cost of getting clean water plus a minor profit (investors need to be paid too). Trade-offs. Is it evil for these people to make a profit?

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Your point being?

Who gives more. More being a percentage of GDP.

80% may be a trivial amount considering what we squander. Lokk to the original post. Who gave more the poor old woman or the rich man. They each gave two pennies. I suppose that makes them equal in your eyes.

Piss off punk. It seems the only pennies in the jar are from us.

Howdy Ish. Hope you're having a good evening.

 

[Guest]

Are you saying we didn't have the guts? If it wasn't for Pearl Harbor we would have let Hitler have Europe. Roosevelt was right but without Pearl Harbor he could do nothing. Congress didn't care about Europe or the Jews. All it would have taken to stop Hitler would have been a preemptive strike by the French across the Maginot line. With British and American supoort.

Not exactly premptive. After the invasion of Poland. Hitler's true intent must have been clear by then.