US Marines distinguish themselves once again...

[Sparky Kronkite]

This time it's new threads.

This Jame Jones, the Commandant dude is too cool.

Quoting USA Today he say's, "I don't want my Marines to be confused with anyobody else, especially that "other" ground force, the Army."

Neato - new digital, no-iron (no starch) cammos - and no-polish boots too.

I can still put a spit shine on a boot that's like glass - too bad in a way but hell - I'd take it.

One reason Jones implemented this new uniform was to show up Gen Shinseki, the guy who's puttying the entire Army in black berets.

Fuck those dog boys - let the Marines play for a while.

 

[Siren]

Yea I saw their new uni-formies...

 

[brazenblaze]

Can't resist a "military" thread. lol

LMAO...Sparky dear...all the branches are getting those exact same uniforms! All the branches will be converting to the new BDUs by the year 2005.

The marines just get to go first. As usual, why waste the big boys when you have the "expendable" help.


*running out before the flames start getting hot*

 

[Ian1]

Those new uniforms are another dumb idea. Now all soldiers can be lazy and no longer take pride in presenting a sharp uniform. Coupled with the black berets, it is going to be a huge cluster fuck of idiotic irresponsiblity. Ugly uniforms and meaningless berets, yippie. Good, now maybe EVERYTHING can go to shit.

 

[brazenblaze]

Those new uniforms are another dumb idea. Now all soldiers can be lazy and no longer take pride in presenting a sharp uniform. Coupled with the black berets, it is going to be a huge cluster fuck of idiotic irresponsiblity. Ugly uniforms and meaningless berets, yippie. Good, now maybe EVERYTHING can go to shit.

pssst...haven't you noticed practically already has.

Had a soldier tell me today, "I've decided that I don't want to go to the range next week and I'm not going"

After 45 minutes of chewing her stupid ass and informing her that contrary to popular belief this is NOT a democracy, and I NEVER asked her opinion, she IS going to the range.

Damned NEW military.

 

[Ian1]

THAT IS GREAT!!! I have never heard of anyone with THAT much nerve! Holy shit, I can't imagine what my chain of command would do to such a soldier. OUTSTANDING!!

 

[Endlessly]

A lil' present from my boyo in blue that seemed oddly apropos afer reading about the dumbass subordinate.. THIS is why that doesn't happen in the Air Force:

BY ORDER OF THE AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 22-102 SUBORDINATE OF THE AIR FORCE
Leadership

WALL-TO-WALL COUNSELING OF AF PERSONNEL

COMPLIANCE WITH THIS INSTRUCTION IS MANDATORY

OPR: 99 SFS/SFX (Sgt Rock)
Certified By: 99 SFS/CCE (Capt. America)
Approved by: 99 SFS/CC (Maj. Payne)
Pages: 4
Distribution: F

This instruction details the actions Air Force NCOs must take in order to achieve great success when counseling subordinates. If you are an Airman or Lieutenant stop reading now, this Instruction will be made available to you later in your career. If caught reading this, you will receive an immediate ass whoppin'.

1. GENERAL. Most military leaders area able to accomplish their mission and correct Airman deficiencies with simple verbal counseling. Some Airmen, however, fail to respond to this approach, and a more direct method of corrective action is required. With the Air Force not yet fully recovered from the "Quality Air Force" fuck-up, the need to develop sound, effective wall-to-wall counseling techniques is more important now than ever.

1.1. The higher percentage of liberal, college-educated Airmen enlisting in the Air Force has resulted in not only more intelligent Airmen, but also ones who want to know "why" every time they are told to do something. Until now many leaders, upon being asked "why" have had to control their urges to slap the shit out of the smart-ass Airman. The Air Force has recognized controlling these urges only results not only in elevated blood pressure levels and unexplained nervous twitches for the leader in question, but has denied the Airmen the opportunity to learn the effectiveness of this style of leadership.

2. WHEN TO COUNSEL. There are several different situations that may require a leader to go wall-to-wall with a subordinate. This list is not all-inclusive, and the leader should not hesitate to initiate an ass whoppin' as he/she sees appropriate.

2.1. Minor offenses. Simple infractions of the rules can be dealt with quickly by a simple ass whoppin'. Most Airmen appreciate this in the long run, as it saves them a trip to the Commander in their Service Dress uniform for UCMJ action, and has the added benefit for the leader of saving paperwork. Some examples of minor offenses are:

2.1.1. Lateness. A leader should evaluate this infraction before initiating wall-to-wall counseling actions. For example: conducting an ass whoppin' for the first offense would probably be counter-productive, causing the Airman to lose motivation, and causing you to schedule further corrective actions at later dates. If, however, the Airman is late every day for a month, wall-to wall counseling will not only be effective, but enjoyable.

2.1.2. Incompetence. If an Airman is as fucked-up as a football bat and consistently proves himself/herself incapable of performing duties required in his/her given field, or fails their CDC end-of-course exam, he or she may indeed be a candidate for an ass whoppin'.

2.1.3. Challenging or defying authority. Even though the UCMJ covers this, there are times when a wall-to-wall session will be more effective than a court martial. Airmen who harass or ignore your guidance are prime candidates for an ass whoppin'. This philosophy has two goals: to correct the Airman's deficient behavior and it serves as a deterrent for others who challenge your supreme rule.

2.1.4. Fucking off. Airmen are naturally disposed to fuck off when a supervisor is not around. This is detrimental to the good order and discipline of a military unit, and must be corrected immediately. A quick slap to the back of the head is usually most effective, especially if the offending Airman doesn't know you are in the area, and is caught totally off guard. Of course, Airmen who are repeat offenders may require more extensive counseling.

2.2. Major offenses. Including, but not limited to: rape, murder, arson, burglary, etc. These crimes usually result in court-martial action, and no supervisory intervention is required. However, in certain circumstances a supervisor may want to initiate an ass whoppin' until Law Enforcement/OSI personnel arrive on scene.

2.3. Other offenses. These are simply offenses that may be compounded into major headaches if not nipped in the bud immediately. Most of these apply to flight-level personnel.

2.3.1. Failure to make fresh coffee for the day shift. This only happens on mid-shifts. Experience has shown that day-shift flight chiefs who are submitted to morning caffeine deprivation for this reason will spend their entire duty day in the NCOIC/Operation's Officer's office creating totally fucked-up things for the mid-shift to accomplish.

2.3.2. Excessive errors in reports or blotters. Any NCO who has been called in after a mid-shift or on their day off to fix the administrative errors of their subordinates, knows just how vital it is to correct this activity immediately. It is most effective if you kick the shit out of the offender at the earliest opportunity, preferably in front of other who are prone to commit the same atrocity.

3. WHEN NOT TO COUNSEL. Wise leaders know there is a time and a place for everything. Wall-to-wall counseling is no exception. Some potential circumstances when slapping the shit out of an Airman might not be appropriate are:

3.1. In front of your chain of command. This rule only applies to commissioned officers. Senior NCOs will fully understand and support your need to conduct wall-to-wall counseling in their presence, but a commissioned officer may not be familiar with the contents of this Instruction, and you could find yourself in your Service Dress uniform at your own court martial. This is especially true in the presence of senior leadership (i.e., slapping an Airman in the presence of the Wing Commander).

3.2. In the case of overly large Airmen. Common sense should dictate this. If the Airman is twice your size and can bench press a Volkswagen, wall-to-wall counseling should be postponed until you can obtain the assistance of a partner or two. Also consider the use of specialized tools (baseball bat, 2X4, lead pipe, etc.).

3.3. In consideration of the offending Airman's hobbies. This is not out of respect for his/her feelings, but for your health. For example, if the Airman is a black belt in Karate or the runner-up in the last Ultimate Fighting Championship, you may find yourself looking up at the ceiling tiles of the base Emergency Room wondering what the hell happened.

3.4. When the Airman in question is armed. This applies to both on duty Security Forces personnel and gang member wannabes. In this case, it is imperative you disarm the Airman prior to administering the whoppin'. If the Airman voluntarily surrenders the weapon to you, he is potentially retarded and deserves having his ass kicked. If not, the best thing is to have an associate standing by with a larger caliber weapon than the Airman.

3.5. After consuming alcohol. Wall-to-wall counseling should never be conducted under the influence of alcohol. There are three main reasons for this:

3.5.1. You may be unable to properly articulate the reason for the ass whoppin'. The Airman might come away thinking you just got wasted and kicked the shit out of him/her for no reason.

3.5.2. The Airman may not recognize this as a leadership action and file assault charges against you. This problem is worse if the counseling session occurs off base, say, at a bar.

3.5.3. Most importantly, you may be so drunk that the Airman is able to turn the counseling session around and kick the shit out of you. Your problems will be compounded when medical personnel attending your injuries deem them "alcohol related" and you are enrolled in the Alcohol Rehabilitation Program.

4. PREPARATION FOR COUNSELING. Like any other successful military operation, wall-to-wall counseling relies on proper preparation.

4.1. Find the best location. Location is very important. You do not want to be interrupted during the session; nor do you want any large objects the Airman can use to evade you or use as a weapon against you. Modern construction standards must be taken into consideration, as you could easily put the offending Airman's head through a wall. The real issue here is not the health of the Airman; it's the Report of Survey you'll have to do if you break the wall.

4.1. Informing the Airman. Be careful about what you tell the Airman prior to the session. If you inform an Airman, "you are a total fuck up and I'm going to kick the shit out of you at 1530 today" it may be counterproductive. The Airman will probably not show up for the meeting, causing the leader to schedule a second counseling session. The leader should disguise his/her true intentions by saying something like, "I need you in my office at 1530 today to go over your midterm feedback."

5. SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS. There are several special considerations not previously covered in this Instruction.

5.1. Counseling up your chain of command. The Air Force recognizes that it may sometimes be necessary to counsel individuals who outrank you. The following is some basic guidance should this become necessary:

5.1.1. Commissioned officers. As a general rule of thumb, this activity will land you in jail. With some creative thinking, however, you can effectively correct officer's behavior. Only Senior NCOs who are experienced in the art of covering their tracks should attempt this risky move. NOTE: This does not apply to Second Lieutenants, who usually require a daily ass whoppin'. Don't worry too much about it, as they are trained to expect it as a vital part of their military education.

5.2. Counseling fellow NCOs. There are bound to be times when even fellow NCOs fuck up, and deserve a good ass whoppin'. While this occurrence is rare, you should be prepared for the possibility. In the case of a Senior NCO, you should not try this alone. Senior NCOs have years of experience, and could very well put you in traction. In a case like this, you should enlist the aid of another Senior NCO. If the counseling session is justified, a Senior NCO will be more than happy to help straighten out any problem children. SAFETY TIP: under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you attempt to conduct wall-to-wall counseling with a Chief Master Sergeant. You will probably end up in the base Emergency room with a large, blunt object jammed up your ass. To add insult to injury, when the Chief is done whoppin' the shit out of you, he will probably have you thrown in jail, where you will become the sex toy for an ex-Marine named Brutus.

6. CLOSING COMMENTS. This Instruction should enable you to improve the morale and ability of your Unit to accomplish its mission. Wall-to-wall counseling enables the NCO to establish standards of conduct easily followed by Airmen too full of themselves for their own good. It also provides a clear example of the penalty for violating those standards. It also has the added benefit of giving you an outlet for your frustration, leading to lower blood pressure, and fewer visits to the commander's office in your Service Dress uniform when one of your bonehead subordinates fucks up.

 

[brazenblaze]

Funny you should mention "wall to wall counseling".
I have a "reg" on that exact thing on my desk.

This soldier is one of my pet projects. She obviously thought that since I'd been off for 5 days and that my husband was home that the rules had changed somehow. NOT a mistake she'll be making again in the near future.
Stupid child obviously thought that I was just a bitch because of lack of sex. Now she knows the truth. I'm always a bitch at work.

 

[Endlessly]

Texas.. Where are you, Lackland? If so I'd imagine there are quite a few dumbass subordinates you have to deal with. *LOL*

 

[Expertise]

Havent seen the new "uni's" yet.

But on the boots, wasn't the idea behind it the lowering of visual and IR (infra-red) visability in combat situations?

Personaly, if it means that the current USMC combat boot ( that dandy Kevlar and Gore-tex number) is going to become more readily available not to mention cheap, in the surplus stores I am all for it.

 

[Andra_Jenny]

The new uniforms do not make then lazier. It all started when the dropped the green uniforms with their military starch and sharp, razor creases. I loved spit-shining those boots and I loved polishing brass! But that was when they kept us way too busy to get into any trouble and so pissed off all the time that we would fight anybody at the drop of a hat. Especially the dog faces! Why would the best branch of the navy have to look like the army unless it was to keep the dummies from shootin' their own forces!

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Man! You all are harsh.... one at a time.

Gen. Jones and the Marines engineered these new camos - exclusively for the Marines, the design and mechanism for the design (digital, fratal math shit) are patented or patent pending. Jones did this to prevent any other armed force from using them.

Now the Marines don't "want to" work with any other armed force - just ask Jones - they simply have to on occasion.

And - all their dress uniforms stay the same - the best and the sharpest, distinguishable from the rest - only combat camos will change. Generally - at least when I was in - you could not wear camos off base unless you where driving to or from work on the base. To "parade around in public" you had to wear the class A uniform or the dress.

And - no duh - polish boots for combat is stupid - these boots are made for kicking ass - I'm certain that any "presentation to the public, like parade duty, you know H Street stuff" that includes camos - will include spit shinned boots.

Da Spark has spoke.