US Intelligence believes the JV team blew up Russian airliner

[miles]

Once again The Fraud is made to look like a fucking idiot. Big surprise.

 

[Disgustipated]

Miles surfin' teh net for his Master's follies

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[4est_4est_Gump]

Well, we have no real evidence as to the former yet.



The latter, however...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Here come the true defenders of the faith...

 

[miles]

Nah......expect crickets.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Nah......expect crickets.

What do you expect of the scorpion?

 

[miles]

When reality smacks liberals in the face they develop amnesia.

Funny how that works.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well, you know, it could have been a CIA plot to make Islam look bad so that they could engage in illegal wars by getting boots into, say, Syria...

tic​

 

[Disgustipated]

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[Sean]

Right now they don't even know it was a bomb, never mind who planted it. And the list of people that want to blow up a shitload of Russians is fairly extensive.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And if it is them and US intelligence figured it out all we've got is Obama did his job just fine business as usual.

 

[Ishmael]

Once again The Fraud is made to look like a fucking idiot. Big surprise.

Not really, sounds like a Putin problem to me if this turns out to be true. If Putin decides to turn this into the Russian version of 9/11 I wouldn't want to be anywhere in the neighborhood. The Russians have never been overly concerned about collateral damage.

Ishmael

 

[Sean Renaud]

Russia tags in? Well if that were an option but then we'd have Republicans telling us what a pussy Obama is and he won't have any of that.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

It doesn't take a genius to put a bomb in a suitcase. Even the JV team can do that. If they shot it down, that's a whole other kettle of fish but it doesn't appear they did.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I don't think this thread is going the way Miles wanted it to.

Remember, a stronger American president would've saved all those Russian lives on that plane. I don't know how he or she would've done it exactly, but THEY WOULD'VE, MMMKAY???

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

I don't think this thread is going the way Miles wanted it to.

Remember, a stronger American president would've saved all those Russian lives on that plane. I don't know how he or she would've done it exactly, but THEY WOULD'VE, MMMKAY???

Well Obama did call them a JV team and that was really really stupid.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't think this thread is going the way Miles wanted it to.

Remember, a stronger American president would've saved all those Russian lives on that plane. I don't know WHYhe or she would've done it exactly, but THEY WOULD'VE, MMMKAY???

Fixed yer post. Can you imagine the stink miles would be raising if a US agent had prevented this?

Well Obama did call them a JV team and that was really really stupid.

Why, they are a JV team.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

Why, they are a JV team.

They've grown, spread and taken over whole cities. That's not a JV team, that's a starting lineup. They don't have all the tech and they're brash and probably ultimately self destructive but they aint no second tier group.

 

[Sean Renaud]

They seem incapable of actually managing the territory that they gain, unlike say the Taliban which no matter how much we hate them did represent a mostly functional government. Even you expect them to self destruct after having a year to watch them. That is by very definition a JV team.

And they are going to self destruct or get crushed cus the bastards are so dumb they can't manage to make friends instead of pissing off everybody. Honestly Iraqi troops lead by Iranian officers right there should be the defining feature of you dun goofed if this happens. What's next?

If we get a US-Russia Alliance out of this I call conspiracy, Illuminati, Bildaberg Group, Lizard people, whatever you want. Cus clearly shit THAT bizarre can't happen without someone orchestrating it very carefully.

 

[about_average]

If we get a US-Russia Alliance out of this I call conspiracy, Illuminati, Bildaberg Group, Lizard people, whatever you want. Cus clearly shit THAT bizarre can't happen without someone orchestrating it very carefully.

I dunno. We had a US-Soviet-British alliance, of sorts, in WWII and that was pretty crazy considering it had been barely more than 20 years since we'd invaded Russia to stop the Bolshevik Revolution.

 

[Mike_Yates]

Who are the JV?

 

[snugglestruggle]

You can diminish ISIS/ISIL but you can't crush them simply because they are driven by their ideology. All you can do is play whack a mole until they get tired and more on to something else or die.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You can diminish ISIS/ISIL but you can't crush them simply because they are driven by their ideology. All you can do is play whack a mole until they get tired and more on to something else or die.

Popular theory but one Bush/Obama proved to be false. Al Qaeda and the Taliban are/were mostly destroyed. An ideology does not make one invincible, it makes one replacable. Which is an important distinction because as long as the "Brand" ISIS has value someone else will pull on the jacket and claim they were part of that organization no matter how distant they were.

Even this is only true in a sort of "outsiders" way. How long can a group like ISIS/ISIL remain viable if/when the rest of the the Muslim world turns on them? Certainly not forever because they need places to sleep, people who are willing to trade with them. That's what makes it so important we take a step back. As long as we keep whacking things it's easy for them to make us the badguy, at least enough that people will shelter them instead of shooting them.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

And if it is them and US intelligence figured it out all we've got is Obama did his job just fine business as usual.

Obama hasn't done shit. The people in U. S. intelligence who figure this stuff out would have figured it out no matter who was President. That's their job every morning they get up and go to work -- provide information to the government command structure, most particularly POTUS. He didn't and doesn't have to mobilize anything. It was a 24/7/365 operation long before he got here.

Popular theory but one Bush/Obama proved to be false. Al Qaeda and the Taliban are/were mostly destroyed. An ideology does not make one invincible, it makes one replacable. Which is an important distinction because as long as the "Brand" ISIS has value someone else will pull on the jacket and claim they were part of that organization no matter how distant they were.

Even this is only true in a sort of "outsiders" way. How long can a group like ISIS/ISIL remain viable if/when the rest of the the Muslim world turns on them? Certainly not forever because they need places to sleep, people who are willing to trade with them. That's what makes it so important we take a step back. As long as we keep whacking things it's easy for them to make us the badguy, at least enough that people will shelter them instead of shooting them.

Well, you've certainly asked the right question, but you've just as surely come up with the wrong answer. We've already taken "a step back" by failing to oppose ISIS with a massive multi-national coalition invasion force. But as an article in Atlantic earlier this year made crystal clear, the broad long-term goal of ISIS is literally one of world domination -- a borderless theocratic government under an Islamic caliphate -- and by definition, such a goal can only be achieved through force and just as obviously can only be prevented through superior force. As long as that opposition from the "rest of the Muslim world" hinges on your "if/when" nexus, the not-so-theoretical possibility exists that such opposition may not arise at all or that it might occur too little or far, far too late.

If that be the case, then ISIS adherents can count on sleeping quite peacefully in ever larger tracts of territory that they conquer virtually unopposed. One need not be sheltered by anyone and can sleep wherever one wants if no one is trying to kill you before the next morning. This is why continued opposition is critical. The Atlantic article makes the point while weighing the risks of a large scale escalation.

One way to un-cast the Islamic State’s spell over its adherents would be to overpower it militarily and occupy the parts of Syria and Iraq now under caliphate rule. Al-Qaeda is ineradicable because it can survive, cockroach-like, by going underground. The Islamic State cannot. If it loses its grip on its territory in Syria and Iraq, it will cease to be a caliphate. Caliphates cannot exist as underground movements, because territorial authority is a requirement: take away its command of territory, and all those oaths of allegiance are no longer binding. Former pledges could of course attack the West and behead their enemies, as freelancers. But the propaganda value of the caliphate would disappear, and with it the supposed religious duty to immigrate and serve it. If the United States were to invade, the Islamic State’s obsession with battle at Dabiq suggests that it might send vast resources there, as if in a conventional battle. If the state musters at Dabiq in full force, only to be routed, it might never recover.

And yet the risks of escalation are enormous. The biggest proponent of an American invasion is the Islamic State itself. The provocative videos, in which a black-hooded executioner addresses President Obama by name are clearly made to draw America into the fight. An invasion would be a huge propaganda victory for jihadists worldwide: irrespective of whether they have given baya’a to the caliph, they all believe that the United States wants to embark on a modern-day Crusade and kill Muslims. Yet another invasion and occupation would confirm that suspicionand bolster recruitment. Add the incompetence of our previous efforts as occupiers, and we have reason for reluctance. The rise of ISIS, after all, happened only because our previous occupation created space for Zarqawi and his followers. Who knows the consequences of another botched job?

Given everything we know about the Islamic State, continuing to slowly bleed it, through air strikes and proxy warfare, appears to be the best of bad military options.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

That last sentence bears emphasis. For while the article argues for cautious prudence, it does not embrace the fiction that ISIS presents a challenge solely within Islam or that an effective response can ONLY come from within the faith.

"Botching the job" is not a fumble inherently reserved for Western missteps. If "infidel" Muslims prove themselves impotent to repel the very real threat they face, the "rest of the world" (led by you-know-who) will have no choice but to step up to the plate.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You can diminish ISIS/ISIL but you can't crush them simply because they are driven by their ideology. All you can do is play whack a mole until they get tired and more on to something else or die.

They haven't moved on for centuries.