US Harbors International Fugitive

pdx39

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I posted this yesterday as a response, but thought it deserved a thread of it's own.

Remember Warren Anderson?

Around midnight on the night of 2-3 December 1984, two tanks of
chemicals at a Union Carbide pesticide factory in Bhopal, India
ruptured, releasing 40-45 tons of poison gases over the next hour.

In accordance with company policy ("to avoid causing panic"), no
alarm was sounded and no evacuation was ordered, although the
factory was surrounded by residential areas of the city of more
than a million people. Although the gas cloud lingered and continued
to cause permanent injuries for days, Union Carbide told neighbors
of the factory that the danger was past.

Between 3,000 and 6,000 people died within days, and perhaps
another
10,000 have died since from the effects of the poison gas. Between
100,000 and 500,000 people suffered permanent injuries.

Evidence was presented to the Indian courts -- which operate under
procedures largely inherited from the British, and which are
generally considered fair and independent -- sufficient to warrant
charges of criminal negligence against Union Carbide and its
corporate officers.

When Warren Anderson, president of Union Carbide, arrived in
Bhopal
to express his condolences to those who had "accidentally" been
killed and crippled, he was duly arrested on charges of culpable
homicide.

He posted bail, and promised to appear in court for trial. He
jumped bail, and snuck out of India (and back to the USA). When
representatives of the victims sued for damages in the USA,
Anderson
and Union Carbide got the lawsuits dismissed by arguing that the
proper venue for lawsuits was in India. They (again) promised --
this time to courts in the USA -- that they would appear in court
to face charges in India. But they didn't.

The Indian courts ordered Anderson's bail forfeited, declared him
a fugitive, and sent a warrant for his arrest to the USA through
Interpol.

Anderson -- now a fugitive from international justice, wanted for
mass murder and under indictment by the courts of a friendly country
with which the USA maintains diplomatic relations - - has since
retired as CEO of Union Carbide, and has never returned to India.

When attorneys for the Bhopal victims attempted to serve Union
Carbide with a summons for Anderson, Union Carbide claimed they
didn't know where he is (although they continue to pay him his
pension).

The USA has, of course, neither arrested nor extradited Anderson
on the basis of the Interpol warrants.

Union Carbide has since been acquired by Dow Chemical as a
wholly-owned
subsidiary of Dow.

But Union Carbide's headquarters remains in the same place: an
isolated complex outside Danbury, Connecticut, in the middle of
over 100 acres of company-owned private forest. No trace of the
outside world or human presence (not even the entrance road itself)
can be seen from the office windows, and no trace of the building
-- nothing but the guardhouse on the road -- can be seen from any
publicly-accessible land.

So what if a team of Indian commandos were to descend on
Anderson's
last reported address in Florida, kidnap him, and take him back to
India to stand trial?

Or what if India's aircraft carrier (yes, they have one) were to
be positioned in Long Island Sound, and some Indian bombers
were
sent to suitable locations in neighboring countries:

Toronto and the Bahamas, say. And what if an ultimatum were to be
given: "You are harboring a criminal, and you know where he is.

No innocent people will be harmed if we destroy your Union Carbide
compound -- no one but your employees and contractors is allowed
within sight. Hand him over in three days, or else."

Of course, these are purely hypothetical questions. Nothing like
that would ever happen, would it?
:confused:
 
Yes I remember it well...

Two cousins of friends of mine died very slow, painful deaths from that negligence.

Thanks for reminding me. How quickly we forget...

And many, many thanks for raising the question of what if...

Sometimes these things need to be said.


:mad:
 
Dosen't India have two aircarft carriers?????

They are little ones like the Brits and fly Harriers.
 
Azwed said:
Dosen't India have two aircarft carriers?????

They are little ones like the Brits and fly Harriers.

No, no...

Our Harriers carry the aircraft carriers...

:D
 
CelestialBody...

you've lost me. Why the link? Are you on the right thread?

:)
 
LOL

CelestialBody said:
I think they actually have more than two, but that is the minimum. Air India and at least one more. I know I flew the other on a flight from Dehli to Patna, I just can't for the life of me remember what it is.

Oh god sorry honey we were being a little vague. We meant aircaft carriers as in ships. The ships that carry planes around and not carriers as in commercial airlines.
 
Re: CelestialBody...

p_p_man said:
you've lost me. Why the link? Are you on the right thread?

:)

Yeah, she's there, but I'm not sure if she's kidding, or didn't quite understand what you meant by aircraft carriers. She's referring to airlines, and India has two of them. :)
 
Yes ma'am honey.

I got on a kick sometime last year where i was calling everyone babe. Even like guy friends. Very scary.
 
pdx39 said:
I posted this yesterday as a response, but thought it deserved a thread of it's own.

Remember Warren Anderson?

Around midnight on the night of 2-3 December 1984, two tanks of
chemicals at a Union Carbide pesticide factory in Bhopal, India
ruptured, releasing 40-45 tons of poison gases over the next hour.

In accordance with company policy ("to avoid causing panic"), no
alarm was sounded and no evacuation was ordered, although the
factory was surrounded by residential areas of the city of more
than a million people. Although the gas cloud lingered and continued
to cause permanent injuries for days, Union Carbide told neighbors
of the factory that the danger was past.

Between 3,000 and 6,000 people died within days, and perhaps
another
10,000 have died since from the effects of the poison gas. Between
100,000 and 500,000 people suffered permanent injuries.

Evidence was presented to the Indian courts -- which operate under
procedures largely inherited from the British, and which are
generally considered fair and independent -- sufficient to warrant
charges of criminal negligence against Union Carbide and its
corporate officers.

When Warren Anderson, president of Union Carbide, arrived in
Bhopal
to express his condolences to those who had "accidentally" been
killed and crippled, he was duly arrested on charges of culpable
homicide.

He posted bail, and promised to appear in court for trial. He
jumped bail, and snuck out of India (and back to the USA). When
representatives of the victims sued for damages in the USA,
Anderson
and Union Carbide got the lawsuits dismissed by arguing that the
proper venue for lawsuits was in India. They (again) promised --
this time to courts in the USA -- that they would appear in court
to face charges in India. But they didn't.

The Indian courts ordered Anderson's bail forfeited, declared him
a fugitive, and sent a warrant for his arrest to the USA through
Interpol.

Anderson -- now a fugitive from international justice, wanted for
mass murder and under indictment by the courts of a friendly country
with which the USA maintains diplomatic relations - - has since
retired as CEO of Union Carbide, and has never returned to India.

When attorneys for the Bhopal victims attempted to serve Union
Carbide with a summons for Anderson, Union Carbide claimed they
didn't know where he is (although they continue to pay him his
pension).

The USA has, of course, neither arrested nor extradited Anderson
on the basis of the Interpol warrants.

Union Carbide has since been acquired by Dow Chemical as a
wholly-owned
subsidiary of Dow.

But Union Carbide's headquarters remains in the same place: an
isolated complex outside Danbury, Connecticut, in the middle of
over 100 acres of company-owned private forest. No trace of the
outside world or human presence (not even the entrance road itself)
can be seen from the office windows, and no trace of the building
-- nothing but the guardhouse on the road -- can be seen from any
publicly-accessible land.

So what if a team of Indian commandos were to descend on
Anderson's
last reported address in Florida, kidnap him, and take him back to
India to stand trial?

Or what if India's aircraft carrier (yes, they have one) were to
be positioned in Long Island Sound, and some Indian bombers
were
sent to suitable locations in neighboring countries:

Toronto and the Bahamas, say. And what if an ultimatum were to be
given: "You are harboring a criminal, and you know where he is.

No innocent people will be harmed if we destroy your Union Carbide
compound -- no one but your employees and contractors is allowed
within sight. Hand him over in three days, or else."

Of course, these are purely hypothetical questions. Nothing like
that would ever happen, would it?
:confused:


This is not news.......how many did those same chemical companies kill in viet nam spraying agent orange, and they were are own soldeirs. The number has passed i million now.
 
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registered "^^" said:
This is not news


It's certainly news to me that the US is openly protecting Warren Anderson. As I said above it's worth being reminded of things like this then things like the excuse for attacking Afghanistan become a little less credible don't they?

"When attorneys for the Bhopal victims attempted to serve Union Carbide with a summons for Anderson, Union Carbide claimed they didn't know where he is (although they continue to pay him his pension)."

sound familiar?


:(
 
Does India have a price on his head?

If they do I know people in Florida. hehe

I could use some money to pay for college.
 
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p_p_man said:



It's certainly news to me that the US is openly protecting Warren Anderson. As I said above it's worth being reminded of things like this then things like the excuse for attacking Afghanistan become a little less credible don't they?

"When attorneys for the Bhopal victims attempted to serve Union Carbide with a summons for Anderson, Union Carbide claimed they didn't know where he is (although they continue to pay him his pension)."

sound familiar?


:(

It shouldn't be, chemical companies are among the biggest defense contractors. That pretty much gives them license to do as they please. Sad but true.
 
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registered "^^" said:


It shouldn't be, chemical companies are among the biggest defense contractors. That pretty much gives them license to do as they please. Sad but true.


I meant specifically the Bhopal atrocity. At the time it was headline news for weeks, being given wide coverage on TV daily. I shouldn't be I suppose, but I am surprised that Warren Anderson has never been brought to trial for the crime, openly being protected by Union Carbide and the US Government.

It's these "incidents" that should be closely monitored or else anything America attempts to do of a similar nature. to wit the bin Laden escapade, loses all credibility.

I'd forgotten about Bhopal myself although I was on one of the many marches through London protesting at the sheer criminality of everyone involved. I suppose in the end that's what Governments and Corporates hope we all do. Forget.

So it's all power to pdx39 for raising the subject.

:)
 
I think I did good

I'm pleased to see the hits and responses this thread is getting. I was a little worried about posting it at first after how poorly my "The War Prayer" thread did.

Expect to see a few more thought provoking social justice threads from me in the future. :)
 
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