Underage or not

[Tribade]

Okay,a serious question here.Literotica has a strict policy of not featuring underage sex in any published story,fine.But when is underage not underage ? I have a story roughed out and ready to polish which would probably fit in the " Erotic Horror " section although it is not actually horror but does involve a supernatural being.Central to it is a sexual encounter between my woman character and ( in the form of a child ) my unhuman being.The woman is well aware that the " child " is not a child,is not even human and is perhaps hundreds or even thousands of years old.Obviously any reader is well aware from the start that this character is not a human child and during a brief spell in the tale appears in three different adult forms being a " shapeshifter ".The sexual encounter is essential to the woman to break a mental block which is preventing her forming the relationships she desperately wants and needs ( not with children ) and if it did not feature the story cannot be told.What I need to know is,under the circumstances I have detailed,would the brief sex scene ban my story from Literotica ?

 

[drksideofthemoon]

Okay,a serious question here.Literotica has a strict policy of not featuring underage sex in any published story,fine.But when is underage not underage ? I have a story roughed out and ready to polish which would probably fit in the " Erotic Horror " section although it is not actually horror but does involve a supernatural being.Central to it is a sexual encounter between my woman character and ( in the form of a child ) my unhuman being.The woman is well aware that the " child " is not a child,is not even human and is perhaps hundreds or even thousands of years old.Obviously any reader is well aware from the start that this character is not a human child and during a brief spell in the tale appears in three different adult forms being a " shapeshifter ".The sexual encounter is essential to the woman to break a mental block which is preventing her forming the relationships she desperately wants and needs ( not with children ) and if it did not feature the story cannot be told.What I need to know is,under the circumstances I have detailed,would the brief sex scene ban my story from Literotica ?

My guess is it definitely would be rejected.

 

[WhiteWave48]

A policy is a policy

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[snooper]

My guess is it definitely would be rejected.

A policy is just that - a policy, and it's not worth a crumpet if it's allegedly strict, as you say, but overlooked in practice as you hope. A child alien is still a child in anyone's terms.

It would depend how you worded it, and how lucky you were.
After all I can describe a woman with a 32A bust, completely hairless below the neck, endlessly prattling about horses, drinking milk shakes, and that's OK as long as I also say she's 18 years old.
As to aliens, who's to say that a man having sex with a 300 year old pre-pubescent alien isn't child abuse?

On the other hand you could do the decent thing and post it somewhere else. There are plenty of good sites who accept this sort of thing.

There you are - another dose of sterile philosophical argument about a rule.

 

[Tribade]

Underage or not ?

Thanks for all your replies,just maybe I can tweak things a bit.After all if my character is a long lived shape shifter it can do almost anything so maybe ,as a budding author,I can age my seductress enough to get her through the needles eye and into heaven.Don't want to throw this concept away I'm having a lot of fun working with it.By the way I'm new to this,unemployed now and time to toy with writing that I never had before.Please a post to tell me what other sites will accept offers of my type of short erotica,anybody.

 

[WhiteWave48]

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[yevkassem72]

I'm still trying to get used to the 18 minimum age, but that is the rule, so I follow it. No sense in raging against it. There's just no logic for it, since we're not talking pics. This is fiction.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

I'm still trying to get used to the 18 minimum age, but that is the rule, so I follow it. No sense in raging against it. There's just no logic for it, since we're not talking pics. This is fiction.

I think the logic is that the operators of the site want nothing to do with anything that can be even remotely construed as child pornography.

 

[cloudy]

Good luck with your writing. And please, before you go - a little editing tip - the little space following each item of punctuation really is necessary. It opens up the print, separates the sentences and gives the reader time to breathe.

Thank you. And the usual practice is 2 spaces after a period. There were some commas missed, as well as some sentence fragments:

"Thanks for all your replies; just maybe I can tweak things a bit. After all, if my character is a long-lived shape-shifter, it can do almost anything, so maybe, as a budding author, I can age my seductress enough to get her through the needle's eye and into heaven. I don't want to throw this concept away because I'm having a lot of fun working with it. By the way, I'm new to this - unemployed now and I have time to toy with writing that I've never had before. Could someone please direct me (by PM, of course) to other sites that will accept short erotica without the age limits?"

 

[WhiteWave48]

It's all good

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[snooper]

... Please a post to tell me what other sites will accept offers of my type of short erotica,anybody.

Click on User CP top left of this page. On the resulting page click Edit Options in the left hand column. On the resulting page some way down tick Enable Private Messaging. Then people can send you information like this which Lit does not allow in postings. Private messages do not come to your computer, you look at them on the forum like postings, but only you can see the ones you receive.

 

[Weird Harold]

Okay,a serious question here.Literotica has a strict policy of not featuring underage sex in any published story,fine. But when is underage not underage ? ... The woman is well aware that the " child " is not a child,is not even human and is perhaps hundreds or even thousands of years old.

I don't think you'd have much of a problem with posting your story here at Lit given the scenario you describe.

The key would be the attitude of your characters since it should be clear that the ages are above Lit's minimum. If your characters act/think like they are the age the shapeshifter appears to be you'll get rejected. You have to keep the fact that a least one of the characters is aware that they are essentially "role-playing" in the readers' consciousness.

Another way of looking at the problem is to consider whether the sexual description can be lifted out of context and recognised as "role-playing" rather than "underage sex," then it's probably acceptable.

 

[Tribade]

Thanks to everyone !

Thanks,and I do mean thanks to everyone who has given me input.I am not a proponent of underage sex by any means although what is underage depends on where you reside.Until I began serious research I was amazed to find that in Holland the age of consent for lesbian sex is " 12 under certain circumstances and 14 under any circumstances ".The idea that my inhuman character,because she looks for a brief period,under 18,is a paedophiles dream never occured to me.I believe I have have sorted out the question of how I can present my story without offending either Literotica or potential readers and so all I have to do is post it to the authorities and see how they receive it.All being well, if it appears on Literotica, you can figure out what I was trying to depict.

 

[Tribade]

Thanks to my messenger

Thanks to whoever sent me the site that WILL accept my story unedited as to age so I can attempt to publish it twice,once here tweaked and adapted and once as written.

 

[midwestscribe]

Until I began serious research I was amazed to find that in Holland the age of consent for lesbian sex is " 12 under certain circumstances and 14 under any circumstances ".

LOL! Just out of curiosity, please tell us what the "certain circumstances" are. And, did you learn what the age of consent is for hetero and for gay guy activities?

With fifty different states legislating these sorts of things, we Americans certainly have a lot of diversity in laws and definitely a lot of variance on what is moral and immoral. So, I suppose I'm not surprised that Holland, or any other nation, might have some incomprehensible bases for some of their laws too.

 

[Boxlicker101]

LOL! Just out of curiosity, please tell us what the "certain circumstances" are. And, did you learn what the age of consent is for hetero and for gay guy activities?

With fifty different states legislating these sorts of things, we Americans certainly have a lot of diversity in laws and definitely a lot of variance on what is moral and immoral. So, I suppose I'm not surprised that Holland, or any other nation, might have some incomprehensible bases for some of their laws too.

Maybe I shouldn't be butting in her because I'm not an editor, except for my own stories. First, here is a link to ages of consent worldwide:
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

Second, Lit. is quite rigid about the minimum age, even rejecting a story I submitted that included the very non-erotic deflowering of a 16 year old by her husband.

However, as to the query that originated this thread: I have a story about a woman who role-plays a Girl Scout who comes to my door pretending to sell cookies. I mention her age and make sure that readers know she is of legal age, but is pretending to be very young. I have another where a thirty year old woman is pretending to be a 12 year old, and I am the horny vice-principal who is making her serve detention, and doing unspeakable things to her. Perhaps if it is mentioned the shape-shifter is an adult in his or her own world, but is pretending to be a child, it might be acceptable.

 

[snooper]

... First, here is a link to ages of consent worldwide:
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm ...

That is a considerable over-simplification, and in some cases it is wrong.

For example in the mainland UK the law says it's legal for you to consent to have sex from the age of 16. In Northern Ireland, you have to be 17. But it's not quite as simple as it sounds. Although a girl under 16 isn't committing a criminal offence if she has sex, the boy she's having sex with is breaking the law — even if she has agreed to have sex with him and irrespective of his age. So a precocious 15 year old girl seducing a 12 year old boy means he can be prosecuted, but she cannot, yet if she does it on her 16th birthday that is child abuse and she can be prosecuted, but he cannot; four years later when she is 20 and he is 16 they can legally start again, or even marry.

Another example is Holland where the age of consent is 16 for marriage, but sexual intercourse with minors is a criminal offence only if the minor is under age 12. On the other hand the Dutch Public Morality Act also allows for the prosecution of sexual abusers of children between the ages of 12 and 16 without requiring that affected parties file a complaint. So a young girl can agree to sex with an over-16 and the courts will decide if that constitutes abuse on a case by case basis.

Irrespective of the law, I think that Lit were wise to lay down rules which are immutable, because that way everone knows where they stand. If only the law were that clear, about anything, anywhere.

 

[WRJames]

This hits a sore spot

I just came accross this thread -- I'm new to Literotica so I realize I'm a little late getting my opinion in. When I was looking for a place to submit A Worm in Eden, one of the limitations I had was that it was a novel of discovery -- sexual, among other things -- a coming of age story, and naturally the characters were conceived as being in their early teens, not their late teens. There were other problems. Most of the so-called erotic sites had guidelines that prohibited rape, incest, etc. I was more or less out of the running by the middle of the second chapter. One of the reasons that I chose Club Lighthouse Publishing was that they were less restrictive in their description of what they would accept. And in fact, they did publish the novel, but since they are Canadian, without the constitutional protections we take for granted in the US, I had to raise the ages. Of course, this would not be inconsistent with my own experience. I entered college with about as much innocence as the typical fourth grader today. The shock of going from that to Columbia in the late sixties was a rather amazing experience. But now the idea of an 18 year old innocent seems rather absurd. Of course, my novels are set in a future that might be more like my personal past -- but still.

And there are places where I may still not be in conformance with Literotica policy. In the excerpt for A Birth In Eden available at the CLHP site, you will see that one of the characters is discussing her childhood, which included a lot of abuse. Is that out of bounds? I have expanded one excerpt (from A Queen From Eden) and submitted here (that one involves middle aged cahracters) -- but I don't know if the one for ABIE would be accepted.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I just came accross this thread -- I'm new to Literotica so I realize I'm a little late getting my opinion in. When I was looking for a place to submit A Worm in Eden, one of the limitations I had was that it was a novel of discovery -- sexual, among other things -- a coming of age story, and naturally the characters were conceived as being in their early teens, not their late teens. There were other problems. Most of the so-called erotic sites had guidelines that prohibited rape, incest, etc. I was more or less out of the running by the middle of the second chapter. One of the reasons that I chose Club Lighthouse Publishing was that they were less restrictive in their description of what they would accept. And in fact, they did publish the novel, but since they are Canadian, without the constitutional protections we take for granted in the US, I had to raise the ages. Of course, this would not be inconsistent with my own experience. I entered college with about as much innocence as the typical fourth grader today. The shock of going from that to Columbia in the late sixties was a rather amazing experience. But now the idea of an 18 year old innocent seems rather absurd. Of course, my novels are set in a future that might be more like my personal past -- but still.

And there are places where I may still not be in conformance with Literotica policy. In the excerpt for A Birth In Eden available at the CLHP site, you will see that one of the characters is discussing her childhood, which included a lot of abuse. Is that out of bounds? I have expanded one excerpt (from A Queen From Eden) and submitted here (that one involves middle aged cahracters) -- but I don't know if the one for ABIE would be accepted.

Generally speaking, you can get away with a comment something like: "My father abused me sexually when I was 12," as long as you don't go into any detail about the abuse. You can then add, in narrative, something like "She went into the abuse in extensive while Dr. Shrink clucked sympathetically and made entries in his notebook.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I think the logic is that the operators of the site want nothing to do with anything that can be even remotely construed as child pornography.

In fact, they want nothing to do with children at all. I posted an illustrated poem with pictures of me and my grandson. It was alright at the time, but the pics have since been deleted, and they won't accept any more pics like it. There was nothing even the tiniest bit erotic about the poem, by the way.

 

[snooper]

In fact, they want nothing to do with children at all. ...

Wasn't it W.C.Fields who said that "Anyone who hates children can't be all bad"?

Seriously this fear of being accused of Paedophilia is getting so bad in the UK that it's dangerous.

A two year old wandered out of her day nursery and along a road. A man saw her and did nothing for fear of being accused of abducting her. She wandered into another garden, fell in an ornamental pond and drowned.

The fear is a valid one. Some youngsters were trashing an old man's garden. He performed a citizen arrest on a fourteen year old and took the vandal to the Police station. The old man was charged with kidnapping, and the Police took the child home without any charges. A police spokesperson said this was normal because they always assumed the worst, lest they be sued for negligence.

 

[snooper]

... Most of the so-called erotic sites had guidelines that prohibited rape, incest, etc. ...

There are a number of quite respectable (in terms of size, readership and organisation) ones which do not.

 

[WRJames]

There are a number of quite respectable (in terms of size, readership and organisation) ones which do not.

I was using Piers Anthony's list of ebook publishers, and most of them are quite restrictive on what they will accept -- to quote what he has to say at the start of that rather extensive list of publishers

I am also getting tired of typing similar lists of no-nos for erotic fiction, so am starting to say "the usual restrictions." That means no rape, bestiality, pedophilia, incest, brutality or excretory functions. In general, sex should be between consenting adults. Within that framework, just about anything goes, though check individual publishers with respect to homosexuality, sex toys, anal penetration and such.

In the second chapter of A Worm in Eden, Sarah's sister goes after her with a vibrator, so I was already in violation of the rape, incest, and sex toys restrtictions. And later on there is an incident with transexual lizards that probably covers most of the other ones. So I was very relieved to find that there was a publisher that was not quite so narrow minded.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I was using Piers Anthony's list of ebook publishers, and most of them are quite restrictive on what they will accept -- to quote what he has to say at the start of that rather extensive list of publishers

I am also getting tired of typing similar lists of no-nos for erotic fiction, so am starting to say "the usual restrictions." That means no rape, bestiality, pedophilia, incest, brutality or excretory functions. In general, sex should be between consenting adults. Within that framework, just about anything goes, though check individual publishers with respect to homosexuality, sex toys, anal penetration and such.

In the second chapter of A Worm in Eden, Sarah's sister goes after her with a vibrator, so I was already in violation of the rape, incest, and sex toys restrtictions. And later on there is an incident with transexual lizards that probably covers most of the other ones. So I was very relieved to find that there was a publisher that was not quite so narrow minded.

On Lit. you can get away with rape, within limits, sex toys with no limits and incest involving adults. However, if the lizards were to be used as sex toys, that would be a no-no.

 

[WRJames]

On Lit. you can get away with rape, within limits, sex toys with no limits and incest involving adults. However, if the lizards were to be used as sex toys, that would be a no-no.

What about sex with aliens? The lizards are actually intelligent (sort of).