under 18 memory of adult character

[Panty Wrangler]

Hi,

This might be answered elsewhere but if so I didn't find it through searching, so here goes.

I'm working on a story where all the characters are 18 or older. One of the characters is just 18, and part of the story involves him at age 18 recalling a solitary experience he had masturbating at a younger age. I do fully realize there's a hard limit on characters not being under 18, and while this is just one part of the story I nevertheless feel it's an important part that sets the stage for what follows in the story.

Is it OK to have an adult character recall something from their pre-18 youth? I'm not trying to dodge the age limit. The vast majority of the story takes place when he's 18 or older, but that early solitary experience plays an important role in what brings the rest of the story about.

So far, I've removed any specification of his age in the memory - all the reader would know is that on his 18th birthday he's recalling something from the past - which clearly places that ambiguous point at a pre-18 part of his life.

I've looked at the story for other ways I might change it to not run into this issue; but so far all I've come up with is the highly improbable change that this young man has somehow arrived at age 18 never having masturbated before. That seems unlikely to say the least, and so I feel like such a change would tend to kill the verisimilitude.

Is recounting a memory like this going to make my story unpublishable on Literotica?

 

[jaF0]

Hi,

This might be answered elsewhere but if so I didn't find it through searching, so here goes.

Is it OK to have an adult character recall something from their pre-18 youth?

As has been discussed in the other 87,000 threads, No.

 

[TadOverdon]

I haven't been here long, but I've figured out as well as been told that you can't make that fly.

I'm posting a lot of stuff right now that was written over a period of years for other places than literotica. To avoid getting any segment bounced back I've taken to revising the text to somehow explicitly identify any character who's not obviously an adult as eighteen or older, and specify that any sexual memory or flashback in the story depicts events when they were eighteen or older.

(In the original versions, I thought it was enough to say that they were, oh, in their senior year of high school. That has not always been deemed sufficiently unambiguous)

 

[KeithD]

Hi,



I'm working on a story where all the characters are 18 or older. One of the characters is just 18, and part of the story involves him at age 18 recalling a solitary experience he had masturbating at a younger age.

Nope. That's underage sex at this site.

 

[NotWise]

I've looked at the story for other ways I might change it to not run into this issue; but so far all I've come up with is the highly improbable change that this young man has somehow arrived at age 18 never having masturbated before. That seems unlikely to say the least, and so I feel like such a change would tend to kill the verisimilitude.

Is recounting a memory like this going to make my story unpublishable on Literotica?

Yes, it will be nonpunishable. You need to think about it harder.

Among other things, it would be totally normal for the young man to masturbate before he was eighteen. Describing it doesn't add anything to your back story that the readers couldn't just assume.

 

[Panty Wrangler]

Yes, it will be nonpunishable. You need to think about it harder.

Among other things, it would be totally normal for the young man to masturbate before he was eighteen. Describing it doesn't add anything to your back story that the readers couldn't just assume.

Actually I think it does. The story is about a panty fetish and that part describes his discovery of it. I could make him older, but then it requires explaining why he's still living with his mom.

I do get why we need the rule. It's unfortunately this has a side effect of excluding such a sexually normal thing as pre-18 masturbation. I'll keep thinking for how I can alter this story to conform.

Thanks.

 

[Panty Wrangler]

As has been discussed in the other 87,000 threads, No.

Perhaps this particular question has been discussed in 87,000 threads. It's a shame that searching for terms like under 18 masturbation on this forum turned up zero hits if this has in fact been specifically discussed so frequently.

All the same, thanks for such an overwhelmingly helpful reply!

Cheers!

 

[NotWise]

Actually I think it does. The story is about a panty fetish and that part describes his discovery of it. I could make him older, but then it requires explaining why he's still living with his mom.

I do get why we need the rule. It's unfortunately this has a side effect of excluding such a sexually normal thing as pre-18 masturbation. I'll keep thinking for how I can alter this story to conform.

Thanks.

Then don't describe him discovering the panty fetish. Just let him be eighteen or older with a panty fetish.

 

[Panty Wrangler]

Then don't describe him discovering the panty fetish. Just let him be eighteen or older with a panty fetish.

Yeah, I'd come to that conclusion too. It seems obvious in hindsight, but I was so wrapped up in the work I'd done that it was hard for me to get there.

I think I just need to delete the one scene. His mom confronts him anyway, I'll just have him refuse to answer and the reader can use their imagination without the story every actually going there.

Thanks!

 

[ElectricBlue]

Yeah, I'd come to that conclusion too. It seems obvious in hindsight, but I was so wrapped up in the work I'd done that it was hard for me to get there.

I think I just need to delete the one scene. His mom confronts him anyway, I'll just have him refuse to answer and the reader can use their imagination without the story every actually going there.

Thanks!

That's all it takes, sometimes. One subtle change to a sentence, and you get over the line.

 

[lovecraft68]

In another thread Gordo mentioned Ground Hog's day...here we are again.

 

[oggbashan]

Refer to this sticky:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1545753

 

[MelissaBaby]

Perhaps this particular question has been discussed in 87,000 threads. It's a shame that searching for terms like under 18 masturbation on this forum turned up zero hits if this has in fact been specifically discussed so frequently.

Well, that’s not a coincidence, is it?

 

[XerXesXu]

In another thread Gordo mentioned Ground Hog's day...here we are again.

The guy is new, he did a search and found nothing. He asked a question to which there's a simple reply, which was given.

There will always be newbies, but no-one needs to be a Groundhog.

 

[oggbashan]

Years ago, in the bad old days of the Author's (sic) Hangout, we used to be cruel to newbies answering The Question.

At least now we tend to give an answer before poking fun at the thread.

The AH is better now than it was.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Perhaps this particular question has been discussed in 87,000 threads. It's a shame that searching for terms like under 18 masturbation on this forum turned up zero hits if this has in fact been specifically discussed so frequently.

How are you searching?

Searching this forum for "under eighteen masturbation" pulls up a bunch of relevant posts: https://forum.literotica.com/search.php?searchid=109935297

In particular, it finds this thread, which makes the answer pretty clear in the first post: https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1544592&highlight=eighteen

"under 18 masturbation" works less well (the forum doesn't index short words, annoyingly) but it still produces that thread in the first page of results.

 

[TadOverdon]

Okay, the newbie OP asked a question, maybe a naive or obvious one to some of us, but asked it straight out and got an answer and has adjusted their plan in response.

Maybe let's get on past the hazing now and just say "Welcome."

 

[Handley_Page]

Yes, but not in any detail - at all.

 

[SimonDoom]

It's a perfectly reasonable question, even though, yes, it's been asked before in a variety of different ways.

The under-18 rule at Literotica is not intuitively obvious or morally or legally compelled. It excludes material of the sort that a child can watch by turning on network television at 8 pm on a weeknight, or by checking out a book at the public library. But there is a certain logic to it.

I think you're going to have a difficult time with this one. You probably could get away with having an 18 year old say something like, "I was 18 and I'd had a panty fetish for as long as I could remember." But you couldn't go into any detail about the underage fantasy. You could not describe masturbating under 18.

Good luck figuring out the solution!

 

[Comshaw]

Years ago, in the bad old days of the Author's (sic) Hangout, we used to be cruel to newbies answering The Question.

At least now we tend to give an answer before poking fun at the thread.

The AH is better now than it was.

Perhaps all the noobs should be required to spend the first few months here on the GB or PB? Jumping from shark infested waters to a goldfish pond would make the AH seem like heaven. Come to think of it, maybe not. We wouldn't get many noobs to stay around and that would be a damned shame. A fresh view on things is always a good thing.

Comshaw

 

[Comshaw]

Hi,

This might be answered elsewhere but if so I didn't find it through searching, so here goes.

I'm working on a story where all the characters are 18 or older. One of the characters is just 18, and part of the story involves him at age 18 recalling a solitary experience he had masturbating at a younger age. I do fully realize there's a hard limit on characters not being under 18, and while this is just one part of the story I nevertheless feel it's an important part that sets the stage for what follows in the story.

Is it OK to have an adult character recall something from their pre-18 youth? I'm not trying to dodge the age limit. The vast majority of the story takes place when he's 18 or older, but that early solitary experience plays an important role in what brings the rest of the story about.

So far, I've removed any specification of his age in the memory - all the reader would know is that on his 18th birthday he's recalling something from the past - which clearly places that ambiguous point at a pre-18 part of his life.

I've looked at the story for other ways I might change it to not run into this issue; but so far all I've come up with is the highly improbable change that this young man has somehow arrived at age 18 never having masturbated before. That seems unlikely to say the least, and so I feel like such a change would tend to kill the verisimilitude.

Is recounting a memory like this going to make my story unpublishable on Literotica?

The rule seems harsh and unyielding, it is. But for someone trying to run a website, it makes sense. I'm sure legally there are gray areas that could be allowed, lines that could be pushed, but it takes time to make such calls, time the admins don't have or don't want to invest. It's much easier and safer for them (and the authors) to draw a line well within the acceptable range and enforce it without exception.

I've run into that particular wall too trying to flesh out a backstory. And no matter how much I understand and agree with the premise of their actions, it's still frustrating. I always find a way around it, not the rule, but how to present my story without breaking the rules. I hope you can find a personally acceptable way to do so. Luck to you.

Comshaw

 

[NotWise]

It's a perfectly reasonable question, even though, yes, it's been asked before in a variety of different ways.

The under-18 rule at Literotica is not intuitively obvious or morally or legally compelled. It excludes material of the sort that a child can watch by turning on network television at 8 pm on a weeknight, or by checking out a book at the public library. But there is a certain logic to it.

I think you're going to have a difficult time with this one. You probably could get away with having an 18 year old say something like, "I was 18 and I'd had a panty fetish for as long as I could remember." But you couldn't go into any detail about the underage fantasy. You could not describe masturbating under 18.

Good luck figuring out the solution!

The problem with those descriptions is to make them good story telling. They can be pretty dry.

I don't know if schlosrat is still reading, but here goes a suggestion ...

If Mom isn't supposed to know about his fetish, then he could say something like, "I used to get up early on Wednesdays to make sure that I got Mom's stuff out from under my bed and back in the laundry." You can't say why her underwear is under his bed. The readers have to use their imagination.

If Mom does know, then she could say in dialogue, "It used to annoy me when I found less underwear in the hamper than I put into it. I got over that when I found the rest under his bed." Same caution as before. You can't say why her underwear is under his bed.

And the most interesting would probably be to imply that she knew where to find her underwear, and never let on to him.

In the first story I wrote with a pre-existing Mom/Son relationship, I let the readers know it was ongoing when he recalled in conversation that she gave him a cock strap as a high school graduation present.

So yes, you can't describe the underage event in any way, but implying its existence is possible and it doesn't have to be real dry.

 

[Comshaw]

The problem with those descriptions is to make them good story telling. They can be pretty dry.

I don't know if schlosrat is still reading, but here goes a suggestion ...

If Mom isn't supposed to know about his fetish, then he could say something like, "I used to get up early on Wednesdays to make sure that I got Mom's stuff out from under my bed and back in the laundry." You can't say why her underwear is under his bed. The readers have to use their imagination.

If Mom does know, then she could say in dialogue, "It used to annoy me when I found less underwear in the hamper than I put into it. I got over that when I found the rest under his bed." Same caution as before. You can't say why her underwear is under his bed.

And the most interesting would probably be to imply that she knew where to find her underwear, and never let on to him.

In the first story I wrote with a pre-existing Mom/Son relationship, I let the readers know it was ongoing when he recalled in conversation that she gave him a cock strap as a high school graduation present.

So yes, you can't describe the underage event in any way, but implying its existence is possible and it doesn't have to be real dry.

This ↑ is exactly the kind of work around I was alluding to in my post. Well said.

Comshaw

 

[KeithD]

I think some have a problem with recognizing that masturbation and watching (voyeur) are sex acts. As natural as they are to be doing before one is eighteen, they are, in fact, sex acts, so they cause the site's rules to click in.

 

[lovecraft68]

The guy is new, he did a search and found nothing. He asked a question to which there's a simple reply, which was given.

There will always be newbies, but no-one needs to be a Groundhog.

The ground hog effect isn't the question being asked by a new person. The effect is when the thread will give the answer fairly quickly, but then the same points and arguments are made by the same people for the 100th time

Hence Oggs idea for the thread that has become a sticky, to head it off.